Wikipedia SHILLS for Water Fluoridation

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

You sound like a Peanut gallery member.......I hope you aren't getting a craving to play Wii......:roll:

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A peanut gallery member is one that shits on something for no justifiable reason (saying things like "this thread is fail" as the second post) or refuses to accept you plain just don't like something (the Wii). There's a big difference between heckling over an opinion and discussing basic biological and chemical properties.

Sure, overfluoridation could be a problem. If it is, they need to take care of it. That's no need to fly off the handle and act like fluoride is cancer+AIDS. Name ONE person you have met that personally knows someone that had serious fluoride based complications. You can't. On the other hand, name how many people that use fluoride enriched water and fluoride toothpaste that DON'T have cavity free teeth.

After 16 pages and you still won't listen, what else am I supposed to say?

edit: 17 pages.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

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Your probably the most uneducated person I've spoken to about this subject. You have no thoughts of your own. No data to back up your stance, and little or no knowledge of the subject in general......all I have to say is WOW.....just WOW......:shame:

RE-Read the thread. Please. Then Comment.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

A peanut gallery member is one that shits on something for no justifiable reason (saying things like "this thread is fail" as the second post) or refuses to accept you plain just don't like something (the Wii). There's a big difference between heckling over an opinion and discussing basic biological and chemical properties.

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Please don't bring me up by name to post a funny picture or video mocking my views. That's very Knuckle Buster-ish and it's beneath you.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

Sure, overfluoridation could be a problem. If it is, they need to take care of it. That's no need to fly off the handle and act like fluoride is cancer+AIDS. Name ONE person you have met that personally knows someone that had serious fluoride based complications. You can't. On the other hand, name how many people that use fluoride enriched water and fluoride toothpaste that DON'T have cavity free teeth.
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Sodium Fluoride is linked to Bone Cancer, lower IQ, and Central Nervous System Diseases. I can't name one person who has them because EVERY SINGLE person who has Bone Cancer, mental retardation, or a neurological disease could have been effected by harmful Sodium Fluoride contamination over their lives. Research CUMULATIVE effects. :roll:

@.....Sodium Fluoride does jack shit for your teeth. It actually corrodes them. I haven't been on Sodium Fluoride toothpaste in over a year and my Dentist says I have the healthiest mouth he has ever seen.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Sodium Fluoride is linked to Bone Cancer, lower IQ, and Central Nervous System Diseases. I can't name one person who has them because EVERY SINGLE person who has Bone Cancer, mental retardation, or a neurological disease could have been effected by harmful Sodium Fluoride contamination over their lives. Research CUMULATIVE effects. :roll:

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You fell for the old correlation==causation fallacy. Everyone who got bone cancer breathes, therefore breathing cause bone cancer. That's YOUR argument. EVERYBODY with vitually no exceptions is exposed to sodium fluoride, therefore NOTHING WHATSOEVER can be drawn from CORRELATIONS (the key words to look for are "linked" and "suggests" - if you see those words, IGNORE THE DAMN THING!!! It's worthless crap meant to deceive idiots). You have to do better studies than that proving a DIRECT LINK or scientist and doctors (the reputable ones, not the quacks you keep yammering about) will laugh at you... just like we do. :lawl:

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Sodium Fluoride is linked to Bone Cancer, lower IQ, and Central Nervous System Diseases. I can't name one person who has them because EVERY SINGLE person who has Bone Cancer, mental retardation, or a neurological disease could have been effected by harmful Sodium Fluoride contamination over their lives. Research CUMULATIVE effects. :roll:

@.....Sodium Fluoride does jack shit for your teeth. It actually corrodes them. I haven't been on Sodium Fluoride toothpaste in over a year and my Dentist says I have the healthiest mouth he has ever seen.

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If that were true, they could simply test the blood for CaF content. Fluoride is poisonous when it takes away too much of the available calcium to neutralize the Flouride. They have cases of people of having too much fluoride in their body from swallowing significant amounts of toothpaste or a mistake in the water treatment, they can prove that, if that were the case with all of the thousands of "related" cases, they could do a simple blood test and see fluoride was the culprit. I have seen no proof of substantial cumulative effects, not every "poison" is cumulative. For cumulative effects to occur, it has to be something the body can't/doesn't rid itself of like Lead or certain radioactive ions. Unlike lead, the body can easily eradicate CaF via urine. FWIW, I've used fluoride toothpaste all my life and drank tap water as well and I have some of the strongest bones of anyone I know and also have some of the highest standardized test scores in the country. Hardly the behavior of someone being physically and mentally poisoned by fluoride.

To explain why small amounts vs. large amounts makes the difference, you have to understand the way Fluoride negatively affects the body in high doses. If what I've read is accurate, you can look at it this way: say you have 1000 calcium atoms in your blood (obviously there is more than that, but this is a small sample for demonstrative purposes), ready to be assimilated and form bones, healthy neurons, etc. If 1 of those is taken to neutralize fluoride, there are still 999 units left to perform all of those functions. If, say, you spoon some pure Sodium Fluoride straight out of a 100% concentration bucket, you may take half or more of the available calcium, leaving your bones, neurons, and other calcium dependent body structures under nourished.

On the other hand, fluoride is understood by numerous doctors, scientists, and dentists to almost completely annihilate cavity causing bacteria in the mouth. To deny something so universally agreed upon based on substantiated evidence is just being stubborn.

Why is it that you search so hard to find some horrendously oppressive force trying to rule the country with underhanded means?

Be honest, do you smoke pot or do any hallucinogenic drugs? Those are the only people I've seen that insist on these kind of paranoid theories.

Not all potheads are paranoid schizophrenics. But the dope certainly doesn't help them. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Not all potheads are paranoid schizophrenics. But the dope certainly doesn't help them. :lol:

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yeah, but most or all paranoid schizophrenics are dope heads. I know people that get various kinds of high and maintain a perfectly sound level of sanity. On the other hand, I can't think of a single person that talks about government conspiracies that isn't a doper. It's kind of like those SAT logic questions, lol "If sue smokes pot, danny has paranoid delusions, and sam is perfectly normal, who definitely smokes pot?" the answer: sue and danny.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Your probably the most uneducated person I've spoken to about this subject. You have no thoughts of your own. No data to back up your stance, and little or no knowledge of the subject in general......all I have to say is WOW.....just WOW......:shame:

RE-Read the thread. Please. Then Comment.

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That is the most ludicrously hypocritical thing I've ever read. I've come to the conclusion that you don't actually believe any of this moronic bullshit. You're just a terrible troll with a retarded sense of humor. Good day to you sir.

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"Speculation" != "Proof"
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Fundamental logic skills don't seem to be in TheLiar's magic bag today.

Edge, a handful of scientists/doctors saying they THINK there MIGHT be a problem doesn't trump the thousands of scientists/doctors saying there isn't. If twenty mathematicians claim 2+2 = 5 and everyone else says it's 4, guess who I'm gonna believe? And it's not a conspiracy, either. ;)

TheEdge thinks just cause a couple crackpots say aids don't exist, fluoride is bad for you, and Vaccines are toxic that it must be true.

Whatever.

Anyway, just look at where this cat is! Ha ha! What a little perv!

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damn lucky cats.
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Titty Kitty Megaforce

those cats are surely living the dream. The good ol American fluoride enriched water dream.

17days learned something today: "Arguing with Edge does not one a Peanut Gallery Member make."

17days grouped together only those who argued with him. It was Edge who inducted his own detractors.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

17days learned something today: "Arguing with Edge does not one a Peanut Gallery Member make."

17days grouped together only those who argued with him. It was Edge who inducted his own detractors.

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"ummmm, what?"

Sorry, I can't make it much more clear than that. But you can un-Yoda it, if you'd like

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Originally Posted by j_factor

I've come to the conclusion that you don't actually believe any of this moronic bullshit. You're just a terrible troll with a retarded sense of humor.

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I've been puzzled by that very question ever since he joined this forum: He either is the human equivalent of Miracle Mike or a Neo-Nazi that enjoys spamming video game forums.


@TheHeadlessChicken:

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

1. Do you really believe that [....] they can then attempt to sell us all water filters?

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Well, "attempting" is the wrong word. They do sell water filters.

- and toothpaste:

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

I have switched to a Non-Sodium Fluoride brand. Some non-fluoride brands can be found at Mothernature.com by using their search engine. Right now I'm using Desert Essence and sometimes I use Tom's of Maine spearmint.

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The question whether hen or egg came first I cannot answer.

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

2. Can you tell me how much Sodium Fluoride is safe in Drinking water?

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No, but I can tell you that the lethal doses for a 70 kg human is estimated at 5–10 g (or 1-10 g depending on the source) and that they are adding 1 ppm (one part fluoride per 1,000,000 parts water). This is the equivalent to one drop of water diluted into 50 liters.

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

And what's the limit of glasses of water a person should drink to stay in the "SAFE ZONE" for this chemical?

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less than 100 liters.

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

3. What's the difference between Sodium Fluoride (In toothpaste, drinking water) and Calcium Fluoride?

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Well, unlike you, I am not an expert but here's some basic information I found at Wikipedia. I doubt it's what you were looking for, but here it is anyway:

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"Calcium fluoride (CaF2) is an insoluble ionic compound of calcium and fluorine. It occurs naturally as the mineral fluorite (also called fluorspar) and as Blue John, and it is the source of most of the world's fluorine."


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"Sodium fluoride is the inorganic compound with the formula NaF. This colorless solid is a source of the fluoride ion in diverse applications.
The mineral form of NaF, villiaumite, is moderately rare. It is known from plutonic nepheline syenite rocks."

I don't know whats more troubling on this thread....the denial of reality....or the complete obsession with me.......

It's not even flattering anymore .....its just plain old creepy.

Well, you gotta admit it is rare to meet someone like you in person: totally brainwashed to believe in a non-existent, totally ridiculous construction of a reality ripped straight out of the most idiotic pulp fiction ever created, based on the very definition of pseudohistory; so thoroughly reprogrammed not to allow even the slightest doubt to slip in; yet calling everyone else uneducated and blind.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Sorry, I can't make it much more clear than that. But you can un-Yoda it, if you'd like

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It's good to know George Lucas' "worth" makes him a billionaire. Any man who can create a sock puppet that fundamentally 'fucks up' English language expression, universally on a global scale for an entire generation, is undoubtedly worth it.

I think him and Warwick Davis are like "Dr. Evil & Mini-Me". Maybe he killed Jim Henson so he could be the sole master to the midget workforce, while putting his minion Frank Oz in power. Maybe I'll start a conspiracy theory about it. :nod:

[/sarcasm]

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Well, you gotta admit it is rare to meet someone like you in person.

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:roll:.....and the obsession and denial continues.......


>>>> I prove Sodium Fluoride is a poison >>>> You agree (but say its good :confused:) >>>>> Then obsess about me >>>>> Usually the thread gets locked at this point in other forums .....

Usually TheHeadlessChicken got banned 3,079 posts ago in other forums ...

Anyway, 17days mentioned a few pages ago that he thinks you're on drugs. I am not sure as some drugs can help to question yourself if properly used... Then again, most people I've met using drugs are pretty fucked up after a while.
In this context I remember that you got caught drunk in public recently. - Did you know that alcohol is a poison ?

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Usually TheHeadlessChicken got banned 3,079 posts ago in other forums ...

Anyway, 17days mentioned a few pages ago that he thinks you're on drugs. I am not sure as some drugs can help to question yourself if properly used... Then again, most people I've met using drugs are pretty fucked up after a while.
In this context I remember that you got caught drunk in public recently. - Did you know that alcohol is a poison ?

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http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38588

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Originally Posted by TheLiar

"Selective Enforcement! WAH!!!"

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The comparison to a spam bot was well founded, and I'm laughing that the admin over there has the same opinion as I do. He says nothing 'himself'.

I think he's an undiagnosed, unmedicated, mild paranoid schizophrenic myself.

See now the whole entire thread is just an obsessed fantasy about me. Never on topic...only about me. If we knew each other in RL I would think about getting a restraining order.......anyone getting the stalker-ish vibe from the peanut gallery lately? Just check out all of their signatures...they are all about me.

On topic:

Sodium Fluoride is a deadly poison which has been linked to Mottled Teeth in children, Dental Fluorosis, neurological damage, and bone cancer.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

See now the whole entire thread is just an obsessed fantasy about me. Never on topic...only about me. If we knew each other in RL I would think about getting a restraining order.......anyone getting the stalker-ish vibe from the peanut gallery lately? Just check out all of their signatures...they are all about me.

On topic:

Sodium Fluoride is a deadly poison which has been linked to Mottled Teeth in children, Dental Fluorosis, neurological damage, and bone cancer.

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Am I the only one who gets the "Spoiled Little Girl's Tea Party Dictatorship" vibe from every discussion, off topic or not (In an Off Topic Forum No Less), that TheLiar participates in?

Everything he says that isn't just spam-bot material is the same:

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"NO!" :eek: *Changes whatever you're doing* "There. That's better! More tea CE? Teeheehee!"

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Spambots != Intellectuals.

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Dental fluorosis is a condition caused by an excessive intake of fluorides - while the teeth develop - characterized mainly by mottling of the enamel, although the skeletal system is also affected.

Most frequently asked questions relating to fluoride

1) I heard fluoride is a poison. Is this true?

Yes. Fluoride is an acute toxin with a rating slightly higher than that of lead.According to "Clinical Toxicology of Commercial products," 5th Edition, 1984, lead is given a toxicity rating of 3 to 4, and Fluoride is rated at 4 (3 = moderately toxic, 4 = very toxic). On December 7, 1992, the new EPA Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for lead was set at 0.015 ppm, with a goal of 0.0ppm. The MCL for fluoride is currently set for 4.0ppm - that's over 350 times the permissable level of lead.Fluoride is also considered toxic waste. It is one of the most bone seeking elements known to mankind. The US Public Health Service has stated that fluoride makes the bones more brittle and the dental enamel more porous.

2) How much fluoride am I taking in?

Current intake is estimated to be between 5 and 7 mg/day in "optimally fluoridated" areas. Current fluoride intake is equally divided between drinking water (in fluoridated areas), food, other beverages, and dental products, meaning that even if you don't live in a fluoridated area, fluoride is endangering your health. Average fluoride content in juices is 0.02 to 2.80 parts per million, in part because of variations in fluoride concentrations of water used in production. Children's ingestion of fluoride from juices and juice-flavored beverages can be quite substantial and a crucial factor in developing fluorosis. Grape juice has been found to contain up to 6.8 mg/L of fluoride, a can of chicken soup up to 4 mg of fluoride. Fluoride can be found in water, toothpaste, mouthwash, Dentist's treatment, fluoride pills, juice, soft drinks, canned food, commercial fruit and vegetables, Teflon and Tefal coated items (such as frying pans), etc. (Note: No "optimal" fluoride intake has ever been scientifically documented.)

3) How much is too much?

As little as 0.04 mg/kg/day has been proven to cause adverse health effects. Retention of 2mg a day will produce crippling skeletal fluorosis in one's lifetime.

4) Does fluoride accumulate in the body?

Yes. Approximately half of each day's fluoride intake will be retained. This is what makes it so dangerous. "The dose makes the poison". All sides agree to the fact that healthy kidneys can eliminate only about 50% of daily fluoride intake. The rest gets absorbed in calcified tissues, like bones and teeth.The National Academy Of Sciences (NAS) stated in 1977 that, for the average individual, a retention of 2mg/day would result in crippling skeletal fluorosis after 40 years. Considering the above mentioned intake level, it is likely that skeletal fluorosis already affects a significant portion of the population.Children,the elderly and any person with impaired kidney function (which includes many AIDS patients), are in the high risk group for fluoride poisoning and must be warned to monitor their fluoride intake. Also at high risk are people with immunodeficiencies, diabetes and heart ailments, as well as anyone with calcium, magnesium and Vitamin C deficiencies.(At the level of 0.4 ppm renal (kidney) impairment has been shown.) (Junco, L.I. et al, "Renal Failure and Fluorosis", Fluorine & Dental Health, JAMA 222:783 - 785, 1972)

5) How does fluoride get into the water?

Most often as a byproduct from the fertilizer, aluminum and other industries, who manage to sell this toxic waste to municipalities nationwide.

6) What about my toothpaste?

Studies show that adults can absorb up to 0.5 mg per "TV ribbon" brushing. Small children, even if pea-size amount is used, will still absorb the same, more if the child is younger and has less swallowing control skills. Half a tube of toothpaste can kill a child. Current content of sodium fluoride in toothpaste in Canada and the US is up to 0.4% = 4000 ppm (parts per million). Bubblegum-flavored dentifrice obviously is especially inviting for children. Since April 1997 all toothpaste in the US must carry a warning label, advising parents what to do if their child swallows more than the pea-size brushing amount. Wholesale containers carry the poison symbol of skull and crossbones.

7) What about the fluoride treatment at the dental office?

Fluoride treatments can contain between 10,000 to 20,000 ppm. There is no regulated dose requirement. There are cases known of children dying in the dentist's chair.(New York Times, Jan. 20, 1979: "$750,000 Given in Child's Death in Fluoride Case" about a three year old child killed by fluoride treatment in the Dentist's office.)

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Source.....I have never bought any items from this online "mall". Good information thought. I only posted half of it.


http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/fluoride.htm

Spam.

Ahhhh....what the hell.....Here is the other half.

8) How can my dentist say that it's good for my teeth?

By receiving limited training on the subject and being misinformed on purpose by the ADA and CDA. Figures in ADA pamphlets contain an incredible amount of untruths, and outright fraudulent claims. If you check the references cited and numbers listed in your local libraries, you will undoubtedly come to the same conclusion. Some fluoridation endorsements are listed which prove fraudulent when checked. Most dentists never bother to take the time to study both sides of the fluoride issue. Consider this statement by the ADA in 1979: "Individual dentists must be convinced that they need not be familiar with scientific reports and field investigations on fluoridation to be effective participants and that non-participation is overt neglect of personal responsibility." There are NO reliable studies, conducted under ethical research guidelines, which prove the benefits of fluoride supplementation. The FDA admits to this! There are more than 500 peer-reviewed studies documenting the adverse effects.Furthermore, dentists make higher profits in fluoridated areas and through fluoride use. As a result of mottled enamel, many more restorative measures are necessary, such as braces, bridges, etc. For the ADA/CDA, this condition is a real money-maker, because cosmetic dentistry is far more lucrative than cavity repair. In addition, there is an abundance of evidence in the scientific literature indicating that fluoride causes a delay in the normal shedding of the "baby" teeth, and their replacement by permanent teeth. This delay has been shown to increase the number of children with malpositioned teeth. Again, braces are far more expensive than fillings.(Note: In a 1972 report by the American Dental Association, it is stated that dentists make 17% more profit in fluoridated areas as opposed to non-fluoridated areas.)(Douglas et al., "Impact of water fluoridation on dental practices and dental manpower", Journal of the American Dental Association;84:355-67, 1972)

In 1993 the National Academy of Sciences warned, "dental fluorosis...might be more than a cosmetic defect if enough fluorotic enamel is fractured and lost to cause pain, adversely affect food choices, compromise chewing efficiency, and require complex dental treatment."

The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology has classified fluoride as an unapproved dental medicament due to its high toxicity.

The FDA considers fluoride an unapproved new drug for which there is no proof of safety or effectiveness. The FDA does not consider fluoride an essential nutrient.

Four major studies involving 480,000 children (US, 39,000; Japan, 22,000; India, 400,000; Tucson, 29,000) comparing fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas showed no significant difference in decay rates. Proven is that a higher intake of fluoride will actually cause MORE cavities, especially for children with low dietary calcium intake.

9) Is it true that fluoride can cause cancer?

Yes. In 1990 fluoride was found to be an equivocal carcinogen by the National Cancer Institute Toxicology Program.(Maurer, et. al.,"Fluoride an equivocal carcinogen. J.National Cancer Institute 82, 1118-26, 1990)

In 1992 further studies by the New Jersey Department of Health confirmed a 6.9 fold increase in bone cancer in young males.(Cohn, Perry D. Ph.D. "An Epidemiological Report on Drinking Water" Fluoridation and Osteosarcoma in Young Males, New Jersey Department of Health, Environmental Health Service, Trenton NJ November 8, 1992)

In 1997 there were more than 80 references available, linking fluoride to cancer.

10) Is it true that fluoride can increase hip fractures?

Yes. According to Dr. J. William Hirzy (vice-president of the NFFE LOCAL 2050, the union representing all scientists at the EPA, Washington, D.C.) there have been 5 epidemiological studies done since 1990, in three different countries, all showing a higher increase in hip fractures in fluoridated communities.

Some studies have indicated a 87% higher risk of hip fractures to the elderly in areas where water fluoridation was even below 1.5 ppm.

11) Is this also true for Osteoporosis and Arthritis?

Yes, most definitely. There are also studies proving that fluoride toxicity affects fertility.

12) Does it cause brain damage?

Yes. Fluorides lower the intelligence capacity of humans, with children, again, especially susceptible to early fluoride toxicity. IQ levels were significantly lower than children not exposed to fluorides in all age groups listed. (According to Dr. Hirzy, 5 to 19 points lower!)(Li,X.S.,Zhi,J.L.,Gao,R.O.,"Effects of Fluoride Exposure on the Intelligence of Children", Fluoride;28:182-189, 1995)

Further studies proving the neurotoxicity of fluoride in rats have also been conducted by Dr. Phyllis Mullinex and her co-workers.(Note: this also explains a recent University of South Florida study relating fluoride intake during pregnancy to the yearly 1% increase in learning disabilities found in children...)Studies proving that fluorides transfer through the placenta are well known.(Meanwhile, Dr.Weil, Internet's Health Guru, advocates fluoride supplements for pregnant woman in his book "8 Weeks To Optimum Health"...)

There are also several studies linking aluminum with fluoride, showing that the bioavailability of aluminum is increased in the presence of fluorides, causing aluminum in the brain to double in treated animals. According to an October 28, 1992 Wall Street Journal Article about a study conducted by Varnier JA, et al.: "Rats fed the highest doses developed irregular mincing steps characteristic of senile animals.... Post mortem examination of the rat brains disclosed 'substantial cell loss in structures associated with dementia -- the neo-cortex and hippocampus'."(Note: Alzheimer's Desease, first diagnosed by Dr. Alois Alzheimer in 1907, is now the #4 killer for every person over 60 in the US. Every 2nd person over 70 will develop Alzheimer's.)

13) How wide-spread is this problem?

The US Public Health Service estimates that 1 in 5 children have dental fluorosis. (By the way, all native reservations in the US have mandatory fluoridation, resulting in very high incidents of dental fluorosis in those areas.) Realistic figures are as high as 80% in some areas in the US and as high as 69% in Canada. Studies have been conducted directly linking bone tissue damage to children with dental fluorosis. Fluorosis is the first visible sign that destructive effects of fluoride are also occurring in bone, connective tissue, immune and enzyme functions.

14) If all this is true, how can all this be possible, sanctioned by government?

In 1939 a dentist named H. Trendley Dean, DDS, examined water from 345 communities in Texas. Dr. Dean worked for the U.S Public Health Service (PHS). He determined that high concentrations of fluoride in the water corresponded to a high incidence in mottled teeth. To many dentists this provided an answer to the problem of mottled teeth they saw in some of their patients. Dr. Dean also unexpectedly found a lower incidence of dental cavities in communities having about 1 ppm fluoride in the water supply. Among the native residents of these areas about ten percent developed the very mildest forms of mottled enamel, usually described as "beautiful white teeth". However, Dean used a technique known as "selective use of data", using data from 21 cities while completely disregarding data from 272 other locations which show an almost complete lack of correlation when plotted.(J.Colquhoun;International Symposium on Fluoridation, Porte Alegre, Brazil, September 1988)

Meanwhile, a number of court cases were being launched due to fluoride contamination, mainly by the aluminum industry. In addition the Manhattan Project, the secret atomic bomb project, was in a big race to build the world's first A-bomb. A pollution incident of great magnitude occurred at a factory in New Jersey (DuPont) producing millions of tons of fluoride for the project. A major "negative PR" problem was emerging, threatening the Manhattan Project and the secrecy around it.In 1945, supposedly as a result of Dr. Dean's discovery, the PHS planned to conduct a 10-year study of fluoridation in two cities. Grand Rapids, Michigan was chosen as the city for artificial fluoridation and Muskegon, Michigan was the non-fluoridated city for comparison and cavity rates were to be compared. In 1950, after only five years into the project, due again to pressure exerted from the atomic bomb program, public health officials started to campaign for fluoridation. The campaign was based on the fact that fluoridated Grand Rapids had shown some decrease in cavity rate. Meanwhile there was also a decrease in cavity rate shown in non-fluoridated Muskegon. However, Muskegon was dropped from the study for unknown reasons. After the project was completed, only the Grand Rapids result was released and a major PR campaign promoting fluoride use started.

15) How about the effects on the environment?

Many studies have been conducted examining the adverse effects of fluoride on the eco-system. In 1995, the CEPA identified the now closed Brunswick Mining and Smelting Fertilizer Plant in Belledune, NB as having the largest discharge of fluoride to the aquatic environment in Canada. Toxicity to marine bacteria and impaired reproduction effects were demonstrated... Agriculture Canada (1976) found that 25 out of 36 cattle located on several Cornwall Island farms in the Saint Regis Quebec region displayed real or potential symptoms of chronic fluorosis. A subsequent study of livestock in this region reported stiffness and inflamed leg joints, dental fluorosis, osteosclerosis, osteonecrosis and bone deformations.Many serious toxic and detrimental effects to plants and animal species have been documented, salmon populations in particluar being in the high risk category.

IT'S A TOXIC WASTE! Think about it - day after day, millions of tons of fluoride are "legally" released into the environment, especially in fluoridated areas. Showers, toilet flushes, lawn sprinkling...As a result of the original Manhattan Project logic, industries, now mainly the fertilzer and aluminum industries, have a perfect way to release their hazardous and toxic waste. It would cost up to $US 8,000 per truckload to dispose of this hazardous waste. At a rate of emissions into the air of 155,000 tons/year, in addition to an estimated 500,000 tons of emissions into lakes, ocean, rivers (not counting fluoridation) - this adds up to savings of US 6 Billion dollars/year to the industry! (US figures)

16) What do I need to do? How can I protect myself?

If you live in an area with fluoridated water, drink distilled water. You can have it delivered or buy it at Supermarkets. You can also buy distilling or reverse osmosis systems for home use which is the only way for taking fluoride out of the water. Also, eliminate any Teflon of Tefal coated cookingware, for scratches in the surface will release PTFT, another toxic fluoride compound. Avoid fruit juices coming from fluoridated areas. All non-organic grape products are especially high in fluoride content due to the number of fertilizer and pesticide applications. Wine can contain up to 3 ppm fluoride. Avoid using any toothpaste or mouthrinse containing fluoride. There are many alternatives on the market. A recent store survey in Vancouver showed over 20 different brands.

In addition, lobbying is required to demand fluoride content labeling on commercial products. Steps to educate the public about this proven health risk and fluoride's toxic properties must be taken immediately and health advisories issued. Water fluoridation should cease immediately and steps should be taken to reduce fluoride in food, drink, and dental products.

If you live in a fluoridated area, take action to stop the addition of fluoride into the water supply. Individuals ARE successful in educating legislators about the issue and have helped pass laws to stop the addition of fluoride into the water supply. (Notably Darlene Sherrell, who not only discovered that the original Roholm/Hodge safety figures had been mis-calculated and then persisted with the help of Dr. Bob Carton and Senator Bob Graham in her efforts to get the National Research Council (NAS/NRC) to adopt the new figures - which had even been corrected by Hodge himself in 1979 - but also managed to change the law in Michigan, giving people the right to vote on fluoridation. Michigan was the first state in the US to repeal their mandatory fluoridation law.


Written by: Andreas Schuld brou@istar.ca




Wow.....that's some powerful reading....fluoride can cause cancer, brain damage, Osteoporosis, Arthritis, infertility, and negative effects on the environment......

More spam. :yuck:

One more time.....

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fluoride can cause cancer, brain damage, Osteoporosis, Arthritis, infertility, and negative effects on the environment......

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Bad water and toothpaste hurt you.....bad...bad for brain....get it?

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One more time.....

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Just one? :o

Don't tease us with such promises.

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Originally Posted by TheLiar

Bad water and toothpaste hurt you.....bad...bad for brain....get it?

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Spam & Derogatory Remarks != A Point of Discussion.

Get it?

PROFESSIONALS' STATEMENT CALLING FOR AN END TO WATER FLUORIDATION
AUGUST 9, 2007

We, the undersigned professionals, come from a variety of disciplines but all have an abiding interest in ensuring that government public health and environmental policies be determined honestly, with full attention paid to the latest scientific research and to ethical principles.

EIGHT recent events make action to end water fluoridation urgent.

1. The publication in 2006 of a 500-page review of fluoride’s toxicology by a distinguished panel appointed by the National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC, 2006). The NRC report concluded that the US Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) safe drinking water standard for fluoride (i.e. maximum contaminant level goal or MCLG) of 4 parts per million (ppm) is unsafe and should be lowered. Despite over 60 years of fluoridation, the report listed many basic research questions that have not been addressed. Still, the panel reviewed a large body of literature in which fluoride has a statistically significant association with a wide range of adverse effects. These include an increased risk of bone fractures, decreased thyroid function, lowered IQ, arthritic-like conditions, dental fluorosis and, possibly, osteosarcoma.

The average fluoride daily intakes (*) associated with many of these adverse effects are reached by some people consuming water at the concentration levels now used for fluoridation -- especially small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, people with poor kidney function and other vulnerable sub-groups. For example, the average fluoride daily intake associated with impaired thyroid function in people with iodine deficiency (about 12% of the US population) is reached by small children with average consumption of fluoridated water at 1 ppm and by people of any age or weight with moderate to high fluoridated water consumption. Of special note among the animal studies is one in which rats fed water containing 1 ppm fluoride had an increased uptake of aluminum into the brain, with formation of beta-amyloid plaques, which is a classic marker of Alzheimer's disease pathology in humans. Considering the substantial variation in individual water intake, exposure to fluoride from many other sources, its accumulation in the bone and other calcifying tissues and the wide range of human sensitivity to any toxic substance, fluoridation provides NO margin of safety for many adverse effects, especially lowered thyroid function.
* Note: "Daily intake" takes into account the exposed individual’s bodyweight and is measured in mg. of fluoride per kilogram bodyweight.

2. The evidence provided by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2005 that 32% of American children have dental fluorosis – an abnormal discoloration and mottling of the enamel. This irreversible and sometimes disfiguring condition is caused by fluoride. Children are now being overdosed with fluoride, even in non-fluoridated areas, from water, swallowed toothpaste, foods and beverages processed with fluoridated water, and other sources. Fluoridated water is the easiest source to eliminate.

3. The American Dental Association’s policy change, in November 2006, recommending that only the following types of water be used for preparing infant formula during the first 12 months of life: "purified, distilled, deionized, demineralized, or produced through reverse osmosis." This new policy, which was implemented to prevent the ingestion of too much fluoride by babies and to lower the risk of dental fluorosis, clearly excludes the use of fluoridated tap water. The burden of following this recommendation, especially for low income families, is reason alone for fluoridation to be halted immediately. Formula made with fluoridated water contains 250 times more fluoride than the average 0.004 ppm concentration found in human breast milk in non-fluoridated areas (Table 2-6, NRC, 2006).

4. The CDC’s concession, in 1999 and 2001, that the predominant benefit of fluoride in reducing tooth decay is TOPICAL and not SYSTEMIC. To the extent fluoride works to reduce tooth decay, it works from the outside of the tooth, not from inside the body. It makes no sense to drink it and expose the rest of the body to the long term risks of fluoride ingestion when fluoridated toothpaste is readily available.

Fluoride’s topical mechanism probably explains the fact that, since the 1980s, there have been many research reports indicating little difference in tooth decay between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities (Leverett, 1982; Colquhoun, 1984; 1985 and 1987; Diesendorf, 1986; Gray, 1987; Brunelle and Carlos, 1990; Spencer,1996; deLiefde, 1998; Locker, 1999; Armfield and Spencer, 2004; and Pizzo 2007 - see citations). Poverty is the clearest factor associated with tooth decay, not lack of ingested fluoride. According to the World Health Organization, dental health in 12-year olds in non-fluoridated industrialized countries is as good, if not better, than those in fluoridated countries (Neurath, 2005).

5. In 2000, the publication of the UK government sponsored “York Review,” the first systematic scientific review of fluoridation, found that NONE of the studies purporting to demonstrate the effectiveness of fluoridation to reduce tooth decay were of grade A status, i.e. “high quality, bias unlikely” (McDonagh et al., 2000).

6. The publication in May 2006 of a peer-reviewed, case-controlled study from Harvard University which found a 5-7 fold increase in osteosarcoma (a frequently fatal bone cancer) in young men associated with exposure to fluoridated water during their 6th, 7th and 8th years (Bassin et al., 2006). This study was surrounded by scandal as Elise Bassin’s PhD thesis adviser, Professor Chester Douglass, was accused by the watchdog Environmental Working Group of attempting to suppress these findings for several years (see video). While this study does not prove a relationship between fluoridation and osteosarcoma beyond any doubt, the weight of evidence and the importance of the risk call for serious consideration.

7. The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion (Fox, 1999; Hazan, 2000; Plaisier, 2000; Thurnau, 2000).

8. The publication in 2004 of “The Fluoride Deception” by Christopher Bryson. This meticulously researched book showed that industrial interests, concerned about liabilities from fluoride pollution and health effects on workers, played a significant role in the early promotion of fluoridation. Bryson also details the harassment of scientists who expressed concerns about the safety and/or efficacy of fluoridation (see Bryson interview).

We call upon Members of Congress (and legislators in other fluoridating countries) to sponsor a new Congressional (or Parliamentary) Hearing on Fluoridation so that those in government agencies who continue to support the procedure, particularly the Oral Health Division of the CDC, be compelled to provide the scientific basis for their ongoing promotion of fluoridation. They must be cross-examined under oath if the public is ever to fully learn the truth about this outdated and harmful practice.

We call upon all medical and dental professionals, members of water departments, local officials, public health organizations, environmental groups and the media to examine for themselves the new documentation that fluoridated water is ineffective and poses serious health risks. It is no longer acceptable to simply rely on endorsements from agencies that continue to ignore the large body of scientific evidence on this matter -- especially the extensive citations in the NRC (2006) report discussed above.

The untold millions of dollars that are now spent on equipment, chemicals, monitoring, and promotion of fluoridation could be much better invested in nutrition education and targeted dental care for children from low income families. The vast majority of enlightened nations have done this (see statements).

It is time for the US, and the few remaining fluoridating countries, to recognize that fluoridation is outdated, has serious risks that far outweigh


http://www.fluoridealert.org/statement.august.2007.html

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Originally Posted by TheHeadlessChicken

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HE'S QUOTING FROM AN ONLINE STORE!!! For hippies!! :lawl:

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

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HE'S QUOTING FROM AN ONLINE STORE!!! For hippies!!

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Actually, it's written by Andreas Schuld at ISTAR. The "EcoMall" just took her work and posted it. :roll:

Did you read it? And what do you think about it?