Is Sonic the Hedgehog a Socialist?

This might help answer the question at hand
http://www.sonicretro.org/wp-content.../socialism.png

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

The author is clearly trying to force aspects of the game into his theory and completely avoiding/ignoring other conflicting aspects. Fail. Funny, but fail. The response comments on that page, are just as much fun to read as the article.

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Form-of-government fanboys? There's my brainfart for the day, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Not really.......

Socialism is like I said above. The people decide that the government should be in charge of taking care of them in either a financial or a commodity based way.

Social Security Pensions

Medicare

Unemployment

^ Stuff like that. The tax money to pay for this doesn't always come from the Rich. The brunt of the payments are made by the middle class and poor. You know...."THOSE LAZY ASSES" :roll:......

Usually though socialism and communism are used as a guise for Dictatorship or tyranical behaviors by the corporate state. They say it's socialism but it really is a dictatorial system funded by private interests.

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Wrong. Poor people don't pay taxes, they get their money FROM taxes. This doesn't mean I think some of them shouldn't have it, but I'm unlike Sweden's socialdemocrats aware that there are people who misuse the system ("the lazy assholes").

Also, socialism is "economical democracy", where everything is owned by the people. Socialism doesn't have to mean the government rules over the people, there are branches of direct democracy where the government simply has the task of fulfilling the will of the people and can be replaced at any time. Such democracy is just an utopia of a fool's dream though. Socialism can be that or Stalin's reign, as much as Fantasy Zone or Halo 3 can both be called shooting games.

I'm not Sonic the Hedgehog. I don't plan on being Sonic the Hedgehog.
So who gives a crap if he's a socialist? He could be fascist anarchist, it still doesn't change the fact that I don't own a car.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Wrong. Poor people don't pay taxes, they get their money FROM taxes. This doesn't mean I think some of them shouldn't have it, but I'm unlike Sweden's socialdemocrats aware that there are people who misuse the system ("the lazy assholes").

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In the US, we generally call them "people on welfare".

I'm not going to say that everyone on it is abusing it, but it seems rather questionable when someone whips out food stamps to buy food while talking on their cell phone. :?

I would have thought food came before a cellphone, but what do I know.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

In the US, we generally call them "people on welfare".

I'm not going to say that everyone on it is abusing it, but it seems rather questionable when someone whips out food stamps to buy food while talking on their cell phone. :?

I would have thought food came before a cellphone, but what do I know.

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So what, you should have to be homeless, no other possessions but the clothes on your back - to receive food assistance? Wow..

Cellphone might be seen as unnecessary "luxury" by authorities. At least here. The guy who probably killed Olof Palme didn't have a phone at all and he was living on "welfare". He had a friend whose place was called the "message central" or something like that, because he was the only guy among them who had a phone.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Wrong. Poor people don't pay taxes

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No,

You seem to have this mentality that all poor people don't have jobs when that's completely incorrect. Poor people work sometimes more jobs then the middle class. The problem is that those are low wage jobs and some circumstances in their lives (kids, debt, rent, bills) make them have to ask for help from the government. Which IMO....IS A GOOD THING..

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

they get their money FROM taxes. This doesn't mean I think some of them shouldn't have it, but I'm unlike Sweden's socialdemocrats aware that there are people who misuse the system ("the lazy assholes").

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Yes, some people who have no income or are too sick or old to work need help from the government. It's called a civilized society. Not barbarism.

Only a very, very, very, very, small percentage of people "misuse" the system and are most of the time punished or have to pay it back. I don't condone it but blame the "authorities" for not being on the ball BEFORE you go and blame everything single poor person trying to put a roof over his head and something to eat.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Also, socialism is "economical democracy", where everything is owned by the people. Socialism doesn't have to mean the government rules over the people, there are branches of direct democracy where the government simply has the task of fulfilling the will of the people and can be replaced at any time. Such democracy is just an utopia of a fool's dream though. Socialism can be that or Stalin's reign, as much as Fantasy Zone or Halo 3 can both be called shooting games.

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No,

Socialism is the idea that government should provide certain social services to its people (which is a good thing), not that the people own everything. The people already DO own everything. That's called a civilization or nation state.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

So what, you should have to be homeless, no other possessions but the clothes on your back - to receive food assistance? Wow..

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I agree......Most people on this forum seem to have an elitist mentality. They think that "those lazy asses" shouldn't get aid when statistically poorer classes work the hardest. Sometimes these people have 2-3 jobs, sometimes they are single parents with children, or their earnings are not rising to compete with higher taxes, bills, and rent payments.

It looks like none of these people have any clue what the poorer classes have to go through on a daily basis. They just lump them in with the 1% that tries to cheat the system. Simply pathetic IMO. It's so easy to turn the ignorant on themselves.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

In the US, we generally call them "people on welfare".

I'm not going to say that everyone on it is abusing it, but it seems rather questionable when someone whips out food stamps to buy food while talking on their cell phone. :?

I would have thought food came before a cellphone, but what do I know.

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Rusty is right. while not everyone out abuses it, lots of people do.

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Originally Posted by Jesse813

Rusty is right. while not everyone out abuses it, lots of people do.

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Go back to school buddy.....

>You seem to have this mentality that all poor people don't have jobs when that's completely incorrect. Poor people work sometimes more jobs then the middle class. The problem is that those are low wage jobs and some circumstances in their lives (kids, debt, rent, bills) make them have to ask for help from the government. Which IMO....IS A GOOD THING..

You take my mentality all wrong. But the situation is completely different in America compared to here, where people with jobs very rarely need help from the government. I have a low wage "underclass job" myself, don't work full-time because it's too much for me, have over a million in debt for my apartment and don't take a single SEK from the government.

>Yes, some people who have no income or are too sick or old to work need help from the government. It's called a civilized society. Not barbarism.

Well duh.

>Only a very, very, very, very, small percentage of people "misuse" the system

Not in Sweden. If you had my job, you'd see how many misuse it here. There is no statistics to prove it, everybody just know it.

>and are most of the time punished or have to pay it back. I don't condone it but blame the "authorities" for not being on the ball BEFORE you go and blame everything single poor person trying to put a roof over his head and something to eat.

You got all this wrong too, or you can't read -> "This doesn't mean I think some of them shouldn't have it" is what I wrote. Handicapped, old or people without jobs should clearly get money to live with rooves above their heads and food in their stomachs. Not beggars who walk around in the subway, giving out notes that say "My wife is dead. Now I have to take care of my kids all by myself. Please give me all your money so I can buy a new ultra expensive jacket.", when the system already gives him money (especially when you have kids) and wants him to get a job.


>The people already DO own everything.

Wrong. Capitalists own most of everything. They aren't "the people".


>I agree......Most people on this forum seem to have an elitist mentality.

Someone who calls himself "intellectual" has that mentality to me.

^ use quotes next time.

Secondly, you and I agree on the whole

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This doesn't mean I think some of them shouldn't have it

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but you keep insisting that those dam lazy asses are to blame. Not true in the slightest. Blame the government authorities for being lazy and not looking into individual cases THEN blame the dead beats who try to take advantage of Aid.

@ I have no idea who the "capitalists" are.......never heard of them. Are you talking about the millionaires and billionaires? Or is this some of the left over cold war rhetoric dripping out of you?

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

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Go back to school buddy.....

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I thought you had put me on your ignore list? change your mind already or did you find your common sense?

No, your still on ignore. I wasn't signed on while I was checking out the thread and noticed your horrid grammar mistake. No surprised really. There had to be a reason why you only posted pictures. I guess its because you don't have a strong grasp of the English language.

Sad really. 27 years old? :shame:

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

^ use quotes next time.

Secondly, you and I agree on the whole but you keep insisting that those dam lazy asses are to blame. Not true in the slightest. Blame the government authorities for being lazy and not looking into individual cases THEN blame the dead beats who try to take advantage of Aid.

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Good point. Socialdemocrats are to blame here. But they don't rule now, so things have gotten better, I think.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

@ I have no idea who the "capitalists" are.......never heard of them. Are you talking about the millionaires and billionaires? Or is this some of the left over cold war rhetoric dripping out of you?

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Capitalists are people like Wallenberg in Sweden, who own so much (companies = jobs = tax money) they have influence over Swedish politics. Which is strictly anti-democratic, as democracy shouldn't be based on money or ownership.