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10-23-2009, 04:45 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by Baloo

"I don't want to buy this bag of potato chips for 50 cents because you buy 20 bags of chips wholesale for 20 cents apiece."

Now does that make any sense at all? It works the same way for those compilations. It can't work that way for a consumer.

Again, making the peanut gallery mistake of confusing physical product with intellectual property. Those VC games cost LESS per unit to the IP owner than a compilation disc because bandwith is the only cost vs. shipping and wholesaler/retailer markup etc. If a PHYSICAL compilation disc is $20 and has 45 games, a VC download should cost half or less per game considering there is no physical product cost associated with it.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Your assuming a lot of things. From the very beginning of this "to emulate or not to emulate" argument, you've stated that you're screwed if your Wii breaks down. That's total bullshit, and it's been proven to be bullshit in another thread. I think the point that Melf was trying to make was that you have no guarantee at all as to what will or will not work in the future. Have you even once considered tv connections? What if tvs in the future only support HDMI? What will happen to your retro systems?

Wii breaking now or 10 years from now are two different things. Even if we start using Optic 9 connections from the year 2585, at least I have a physical cartridge that says "hey asshole, I own this game, it's my perogative to play a ROM since I can't play it on the real hardware anymore."

Besides...hello! clones! Think those are going anywhere? Wasn't the Retrogen the hot topic for the past few weeks?

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Are you suggesting you know more about economics? If so, that's laughable. The market dictates the price! If SNES VC games are $8, that's because that's the price people are willing to pay for them. When you lower price, you have to take into account the necessary increase in units sold to break even. My guess is that because Nintendo hasn't lowered their prices, there's no reason to.

How has the market dictated the price? every other option is CHEAPER (real games, compilation discs, etc.). Nintendo hasn't touched the price...ever. All that says to me is they are stubborn and pigheaded about it. So I guess the guy that drives straight into a brick wall is smart because he didn't change his course to better accomodate the situation :roll:

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

First off, Podcasts are normally free (with the occasional exception, like the brilliant Ricky Gervais show), and most podcast hosts aren't paid. And Hulu just followed the business practice of standard television, which is to include advertisements. I'm not sure everyone would like to see Pepsi and Cialis ads plastered all over their favorite classic games, but I'd like to see the option explored.

"oh podcasts are free," so? It's still intellectual property. If podcasts are free, why can't other IP entertainment be free via ads? Why can't games follow TV and Hulu's lead? If you don't want to go that route, THEN you can pay to have it ad free. Everyone wins. Nintendo could even use it to advertise new releases like advertising Castlevania Rebirth via NES Castlevania.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Really? I'm not a PC gamer and even I know what Steam is. Maybe because it's the future (unlike your cell-phone console).

I'm going to laugh my ass of at you 5 years from now when cell phones become everyone's all-in-one device and developers start exclusively developing for iPhone-like platforms. THAT's the future. All it would take is an A/V out and a bluetooth controller to turn an iPhone into a WiiWare killer.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Seriously! Why would Nintendo follow the Wii with a Wii-like device?! That would be so dumb! It's not like they're making an insane profit or anything. My guess - Nintendo plays the next generation like the N64 generation. [/Sarcasm]

Wii-like=/=Wii. Different hardware has problems, look at PS3 vs. PS2 backwards compatibility. They may make motion based gameplay, but backwards compatiblity is not a guarantee.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Who is the douchebag, the company behind the $8 classic? Or the company behind the $1 turd? Hey, if you want to play turds, by all means, go right ahead. Again, no one is forcing you to buy anything.

Who said anything about a turd vs. classic? I was saying losing $1 on a shitty VC game would be better than $8, just like losing $1 on a shitty iPhone game is better than losing $8 on a shitty iPhone game. You keep insisting that the iPhone sucks for some intrinsic reason and it's really ignorant to deny a console because of its roots. Nintendo was a playing card company first, didn't stop the Game and Watch games and later the Famicom from being a hit. $8 is a relative cost made up by Nintendo, we all know they could charge much less and make a killing due to volume sales. Again, don't support it just because that's the way it is now.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Of course you have the option to choose what you buy! Unfortunately, the only way you can choose what you pay is by not purchasing a product so it eventually lowers in price. Obviously VC games are selling well enough, though, to avoid price reduction.

Also, you can't haggle for everything. Go into a Gamestop when Modern Warfare 2 comes out and say "I'll buy that, but I'm willing to only pay $20". Just because you want it to be a certain price doesn't really mean anything. Throwing a tantrum doesn't make it so.

Who's throwing a tantrum? The only people I'm pissed at are the people defending Nintendo's blatant mis-pricing with flawed arguments that compare it to physical product. I wait for physical games to drop in price before I buy them as well. I haven't bought Super Mario Galaxy and Smash Brother Brawl because I'm waiting for the price to drop, same with the PS3 and its game library. For me, half the fun is snagging a deal. I know I can't necessarily expect that from the VC (though price drops happen constantly on the App Store), but if enough people say "lower the prices and we'll buy more," any smart business will eventually listen.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

People on this forum are just pointing out why the VC makes sense for Nintendo and a group of consumers. I'd venture to say that the majority here agree with you that most games are overpriced. I have almost no interest in repurchasing games, why would I? With the large exception of Super Star Wars, of course ;) But games that aren't readily available to me in their original form I jump on. Sin & Punishment, Super Fantasy Zone, TG-16 games, etc... The service has its uses for even the most hardcore of gamers.

I know why VC exists, why does everyone insist I "don't get" the Wii? I get the Wii, I don't like it, what I don't understand is why all of YOU don't get that. Some of the Japanese releases are a positive, but I'd still like it better if I had a physical proof of purchase to go with it. If Nintendo established a system that said "you make an account, you buy a game, it will be available on every future Nintendo system for free download," I would probably stock up.

Have any of you ever heard "the customer is always right?" People complain the PS3 is too expensive and it's flailing. You claim the PSN isn't as good as XBOX live and so you don't support it. I claim the Wii VC sucks and I don't support it, yet somehow that is grounds for everyone to claim I don't get it and these games are priced fairly. WTF? Compilation after compilation proves these games could be profitable at 50 cents a pop, so why the fuck am I spending $8 for Sonic 2? I'm not, that's why.
10-23-2009, 04:53 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by Baloo

But my point is that 20-year old gamers AREN'T the Wii's target audience.

It's kids, parents, and senior citizens. And any other kind of casual gamer.

I'm so sick of this "GRANDMA FUCKING LOVES THE WII!" argument. I got news for you: grandma TOLERATES the Wii. She's just meeting the grandkids halfway, she would rather sit down and have tea with her friends or go on a picnic, she comes from a different time that doesn't like video games. Meeting someone halfway doesn't mean you like something. Show me one Grandma/Grandpa aged person that went out and bought a Wii for a reason other than entertaining their kids/grandkids. You won't find one.
10-23-2009, 04:55 PM
MrMatthews

Well, I am 30-something gamer, I'm somewhat "hardcore," I read video game magazines exclusively, AND I've downloaded games from the VC. Some of them are titles that are hard to come by, like Super Fantasy Zone or Super Mario RPG. Others are games I've always loved that I downloaded simply for the convenience of having them in a dedicated GAMING system, like Mario 64 or Super Mario World.

There are plenty of reasons why even the most educated gamers would buy a handful of games from the VC. And like I've said MANY times before, a $5 to $10 purchase every four or five months is completely negligible. 17days can preach about how much more expensive VC games are than iPhone games until he's blue in the face, but he's conveniently overlooking the fact that nobody is buying 100 games. I've probably spent just as much on my 20 VC games as he has on his 100 iPhone games, but I firmly believe that quality is greater than quantity.
10-23-2009, 04:55 PM
TheEdge

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

what I don't understand is why all of YOU don't get that.

They love being ripped off. ;) or they already got ripped off and can't accept or admit it.
10-23-2009, 05:12 PM
Knuckle Duster

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

If that is true....then you just proved my point.

"Taking Advange Of" suggests "Malicious Intent"

In case you missed it the first dozen times it's been said:

"They Are A Business"

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Originally Posted by TheCrackpot

They love being ripped off. ;) or they already got ripped off and can't accept or admit it.

Sure, lets go down the road of blind assumptions on how other people think instead of parse through their direct messages in the discussion. :roll:

Melf, you should lock this thread and ban all parties involved for a dogs age or two. Think of the children.
10-23-2009, 05:17 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Melf, you should lock this thread and ban all parties involved for a dogs age or two. Think of the children.

You're right, you should be banned for a while, you might troll less if that happened.
10-23-2009, 05:20 PM
TheEdge

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

You're right, you should be banned for a while, you might troll less if that happened.

Ba- ZING! :cool:

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10-23-2009, 05:25 PM
Knuckle Duster

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

You're right, you should be banned for a while, you might troll less if that happened.

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10-23-2009, 05:34 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Well, I am 30-something gamer, I'm somewhat "hardcore," I read video game magazines exclusively, AND I've downloaded games from the VC. Some of them are titles that are hard to come by, like Super Fantasy Zone or Super Mario RPG. Others are games I've always loved that I downloaded simply for the convenience of having them in a dedicated GAMING system, like Mario 64 or Super Mario World.

There are plenty of reasons why even the most educated gamers would buy a handful of games from the VC. And like I've said MANY times before, a $5 to $10 purchase every four or five months is completely negligible. 17days can preach about how much more expensive VC games are than iPhone games until he's blue in the face, but he's conveniently overlooking the fact that nobody is buying 100 games. I've probably spent just as much on my 20 VC games as he has on his 100 iPhone games, but I firmly believe that quality is greater than quantity.

-So what is a modded XBOX or PSP? Is that a hack on my iPhone again? Right, no device can serve more than one function. I guess your car has no radio and car audio can never be better than a home system :roll:

-other than being a legal lapdog, I can't think of one. If you own the game already, I can only say:

Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX Modded XBOX.

need help? all you gotta do is Google or ask, it's really easy. If you have a friend with an Action Replay and a Crossover Ethernet cable, it's practically free.

-I've bought over 300 retro games in the last 2 years, so who again wouldn't buy tons of games if the price is right?

-Right, and when you add quality+quantity, it's a mega win. iPhone is the only download-only service I've seen that from.
10-23-2009, 05:35 PM
MrMatthews

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

Why, you're just a big, fat JERK!!

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

^ Guess: 17days is arguing with someone from the Peanut Gallery; color me involved!! (I'll read what was actually said later)

I love the predictability of Sega-16 members. :D
10-23-2009, 05:59 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I love the predictability of Sega-16 members. :D

Pffft, what about the Peanut Gallery?

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Originally Posted by Peanut Gallery

What's 17 days saying? how can we contradict it? We can't? well, let's come up with a stupid illogical counterargument to see if we can stump him even though it hasn't worked yet. If not, we'll just say the thread is fail and find another way to insult him. That would be more productive than just saying we agree and moving on, especially since we emulate just as much or more than him, we're just two faced hypocrites about it. Also, since some of us aren't competent with emulators, we must contest that we hate them and it's horrible just because we don't know WTF we're doing. That's reasonable.

Where do all of the level headed people go when these arguments start? Where are all the programmers to chime in and say what a half assed effort the VC is on all accounts? We can't even get online 2 player? shit, homebrew emulators are doing that. Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail (Wii VC, not "this thread" like Knuckle Duster, Metal Sonic, Havok666, Peanut Gallery, etc. would say).
10-23-2009, 06:03 PM
TheEdge

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

Pffft, what about the Peanut Gallery?

Or......

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Originally Posted by Peanut Gallery

TheEdge has an ideology that differs from our own? And we can't prove him wrong? THATS IT! Lets troll his thread, attack him personally, try to derail it, and post pictures of bikini babes.....That will show him not to think Smart! Rabble, Rabble, rabble!!
10-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Da_Shocker

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Wow. That's missing the point twice.

IDK there was a huge a demand for NES styled graphics? I'm sure they has been a huge demand for a new 2D Sonic but that doesn't mean that we want Genesis styled graphics. If you are going to make an NES styled game then maybe you should give it away for free if it's for the fans. I'm not really a graphics whore but I don't see the point in taking back to the NES styled graphics. They served there purpose back then.
10-23-2009, 06:09 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

IDK there was a huge a demand for NES styled graphics? I'm sure they has been a huge demand for a new 2D Sonic but that doesn't mean that we want Genesis styled graphics. If you are going to make an NES styled game then maybe you should give it away for free if it's for the fans. I'm not really a graphics whore but I don't see the point in taking back to the NES styled graphics. They served there purpose back then.

right, the only way I see the point is if they plan to release an actual cartridge or something, which would require authentic programming. Is the Peanut Gallery to tell me they couldn't have great retro gameplay with pretty/modern graphics? Mega Man 9 in 2.5D would've been AWESOME. Even the NES hacks of Mega Man looked better TBH, and those would work on a real NES (most likely). I can't believe myself and others paid $9 for a lazy flash game version of Mega Man. WTF was I thinking?
10-23-2009, 06:35 PM
Da_Shocker

If a game hasn't been released here like say Alien Soldier then I can see them selling it at a certain price. It's like Sega rehashing these Sonc games for XBL then making the compilation and then leaving the lock on feature off on S&K and making you have to get it on XBL to do lock on. I do applaud Sega for bringing out Shinobi. But there are tons of arcade games that we need. And one more thing is that Atari did retro the best by giving us Classic, Plus and 2000 editions. Would it not hurt to upgrade some of these games?

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