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Originally Posted by OldSchool
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That post makes no sense whatsoever :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
http://www.walmart.com/search/search....y=0&Find=Find
what in tf :|
I've been looking at buying a Wii for the last couple days and the best deal I can find is the basic Wii Sports for $200. Ebay has some at around $170ish+, but from the feedback of a few, it looks like those are 'refurbished' prices hidden under "nib" guises.
There's only one controller in this $200 box.. the controllers are $30+, these extra motion sensor pieces are $20+ (should definitely come with the system - I mean, they make something that makes the motion sensors even more precise, and they don't package it with the original box... wth), this POS doesn't even come with S-Video cables... comes with Composite cables.. wtf... it's 2010.
I'm trying to figure out why people support this company.
The system doesn't even support AA from what I've seen/read, and I'm supposed to pay 'top dollar' for this experience.
Searching for current Console gaming items is leaving a bitter taste in my mouth I tell you what.
PS2 games new still selling for $30+... but I digress.
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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
It doesn't..?..Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
"500 points for the Wii Internet Channel" wtf is that:confused:
that - retarded money grabbing ideas that only fools play into... do you get it now?
The reason there are so many sports games is because Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort sold so well. So third parties have followed that model and attempted to imitate that success. Most of these are budget titles, and horrible. Yet some, Carnival Games being a good example, have succeeded. There's obviously a demand, and companies are filling it.
As for the Wii's price, it's still high because it's still in demand. If people are willing to pay $199, why lower the price any more and lessen profits? It's simple economics, which you can't seem to grasp.
I'm not really sure why you're only interested in a Wii, as you've leveled countless complaints against the console. Why not go with a 360 or PS3, which in comparison, are much better values? And have far fewer jaggies! The big bad boogie man to you.
I think I speak for all of us when I say, GO BUY A 360 SO WE WONT HAVE TO READ YOU COMPLAIN SO MUCH!
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
Your post still doesn't make sense. Here, I'll kindly break it down for you:
The real deal? Are you speaking of the Internet Channel? Subject-verb agreement goes a long way in complete sentences :ok:Quote:
I'll stick with the real deal thank you very much. No thanks, Nintendo.
Why would I ever pay them to 'rent' shitty imitations of the real thing when I can simply buy the real thing and have it for life?...
Rent shitty imitations of the real thing? Are we still speaking of the internet channel? If so, then you aren't renting anything, are you? "Renting" implies that you'll be able to use something for a temporary time, and then give it up. As the Opera browser (or Virtual Console games, which I suspect is what you're REALLY talking about) is downloaded directly to your console, you aren't "renting" anything, as it's permanently there.
"I can simply buy the real thing and have it for life". Wow, that one's a doosie. Are will still speaking about the browser? If so, are you implying that you buy your browsers so you'll have them for life? If so, someone saw you coming as I, and probably everyone else here, have NEVER PAID FOR A BROWSER. I'm willing to guess you haven't either, which suggests that you're speaking about something completely different than the Wii's Opera Browser, aka the Internet Channel.
And finally, the browser is now free, so everything you've said involving money is irrelevant.
That, Oldschool, is why your post made no sense whatsoever.
I wouldn't consider Wii Sports and games of that nature games within the "sports" genre. It's like calling a "beat 'm up" a "fighting game;" or, more evidently, calling Shaq-Fu a sports game. ;)
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
I understand.. let me explain it
He's saying "why would i download a copy that once the service is gone, cant be gotten again aka rent.. you don't have it forever and you cant share it at all easily" vs owning a tangible, physical copy and being able to do what you want with it.. easily share it, snap it if you want, kiss it, put it on display, a physical collection, ect ect"
I'm sorry you didn't understand what I said. :|:)Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Nail meet head ^ (thank you sir) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Meeleex
Remember, once a VC game is downloaded, an internet connection is NOT required to play it. So, long after the service is discontinued, the game remains. And because you can back your copy up on an SD card, you can download as many as your heart desires while the service is still offered. So theoretically, you own the game for as long as you own a Wii, which is just like any other console.
And VC games aren't "imitations", they're the actual roms played on accurate emulators. If only 17days were here... ;)
EDIT: It's a good thing you have a translator, Oldschool! I suggest you take some time and learn from Mr. Period:
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I want a Wii for the exclusive content... simple as... and the controllers are neat for certain games.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Owning the Hardware of a game is the best way to own a game, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Emulation is emulation. You can spend as long as you like trying to convince someone that these emulations are properly done... the sound will never be perfect because it's not running on the original hardware.
different strokes, but I'd rather own the 'real deal'
True, but lets face it.. nearly all the modern consoles with dlc seem to die within a short time frame. Your "VC" game is locked to that one wii, if your wii does die.. bam its gone, you cant swap with another system.. all your money... everything... gone... no more dlc... rental is now ended.. I've suffered this with my xbox... I have a new one... and sure I can play while a certain account is logged in now.. but thats it, once that service is gone.. I can't log in no more, no more dlc for me... I even did the liscence swap.. still have to be logged inQuote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
If you did the license swap correctly, you shouldn't have to log into Live to play your XBLA games.
Oh but I did.. I even contacted microsoft and they are all "yeah its all registered to that consoles serial number" still doesnt work.... tried many things, formatting so I lost all my saves, redownloading.... liscese swap.. being walked through the exact steps I already did with a service rep ect ect.. didnt do squat and neither did they
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OMGWTF I see a lot of software in 1 genre, something must be wrong. I've been TOTALLY IGNORANT to any complaints about the current generation of consoles. Like, WTF? Why should I pay for something that's in high demand. Like, come on. COMPOSITE?! WHY DON'T I GET HDMI/COMPONENT OUTPUTS FOR HD ON THIS NON-HD CONSOLE?! RAWR IT'S 2010! What?! The PS2 has 'NEW' software that sells for '30 Dollars'?! Outrageous! I never had this much pressure to use more than one brain cell and understand what I was buying before. At least the PC is simple and rubber stamps Anti Aliasing on everything. Spending money on toys is making me crabby, I tell you what.
Why do we have so many Wii threads?
Could be worse. They could be weewee threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
What makes you think they're not both?
They did and still do produce the best games on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Stolen directly from Destructoid:
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2010: The Year of the Wii
I'll be the first to admit that I have, in the past, been one of those "hardcore" fans who had displayed nothing but cynicism toward the Wii. Nintendo of America's insistence on pissing off the "core" demographic and the endless cavalcade of shovelware and PS2 ports didn't inspire or enthuse in the way such a plucky little system should have done. Fact of the matter is, I didn't like what the Wii appeared to stand for, and I sure as Hell didn't like 90% of the system's so-called "game" library.
I must stress that I never had a problem with the Wii as a piece of hardware. However, I found it sorely lacking as a provider of games, enough to feel that occasional gems like No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy or MadWorld were not enough to justify using a system that would gather dust, as gamers so uniquely say.
Such an opinion wasn't wrong, I feel, at certain points in the Wii's life cycle. However, in the year 2010, I firmly believe that of all the criticisms you can level at the Wii, the one thing you can't say is that it doesn't sport a unique and fulfilling library. In fact, the year 2010 seems to be the year that the Wii finally provides something for everybody.
Whether you like it or not, this is the year of the Wii. Not just from a sales perspective (that's every year), but from a "this system will kick your face off" perspective. This is the year the Wii stops gathering dust.
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It is with some irony that Electronic Arts designer Will Wright said that the Wii's library should be considered a toy. In many regards, he is correct -- the Wii provides a huge amount of toy-like experiences, which is part of the reason why it has sold so damn well. However, Wright's assertion that the Wii is not home to epic, full-length RPGs couldn't have come at a worse time. This is the year that the Wii almost drowns in such RPGs.
Perhaps due to the low budget costs associated with a technically less demanding console, a number of Japanese developers are starting to recognize some potential for the Wii to become a PS2-like mecca of JRPG experiences. It's no secret that good JRPGs have been somewhat rare on the Xbox 360 and PS3, and comments from Final Fantasy developer Square Enix seem to shed light on why -- it simply costs too much.
Square Enix, for all its power and influence, has touched multiple times upon the difficulty of crafted an HD Final Fantasy. To create an eighty-hour RPG with all the trappings we've come to expect -- huge cities, bustling towns, world maps and endless reams of content -- requires astronomical costs and inconvenient amounts of time. This simply isn't a problem on the Wii. Nintendo's system is more powerful than a PS2, of course, but nowhere near as mighty as a 360 or PS3 -- that's actually a great boon for creativity, allowing developers to worry about something other than the graphics.
The result, of course, is a year with three incredibly promising upcoming JRPGs. We have Arc Rise Fantasia, Xenoblades and The Last Story. All three of these games promise classic JRPG gameplay and an epic narrative. All three are from studios who made a deliberate effort not to release their games on "superior" systems, yet are offering potentially deeper, more robust, and lengthier experiences than anything you'd find of a 360 or PS3. In short, these three games may very well be more "hardcore" than recent titles found elsewhere.
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Of course, JRPGs aren't the only things coming in 2010. FPS nuts have enough to be getting on with as well. We've already seen the release of Red Steel 2, an absolutely wonderful game that makes motion-controlled first-person-shooting feel both natural and incredibly fun. It doesn't hurt that the game looks gorgeous as well -- lacking the HD clarity of a 360/PS3 game, but no less strikingly pretty and brimming with original art direction.
In addition to Red Steel 2, we have a lot of support from High Voltage Software. The Conduit 2 was recently announced, a game which aims to create a true hardcore online shooter for the Wii. With a robust multiplayer mode featuring a variety of game types, as well as character customization, class-based options and co-op, High Voltage's sequel seems incredibly promising indeed. While it's true the game's art direction leaves a lot to be desired, there's no denying that The Conduit has enough tools to be an important Wii title, one that might deserve a lot of "core" attention.
This is in addition to The Grinder, that other FPS High Voltage is working on. Essentially the Wii's answer to Left 4 Dead, it's a co-op shooter where friends tackle undead beasties for fun and japes. A simple concept, but one that ought to work pretty well on the Wii if the controls are tight. Given High Voltage's experience, there shouldn't be much doubt that the controls will be near perfect.
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Want something a little more action/adventure flavored? A number of cool third-person adventures are hitting the Wii this year as well. Chief among them, of course, is the long-awaited Epic Mickey from Warren Spector. This twisted tale featuring Disney's bitter past heroes is looking like it'll be really promising, both in terms of its unique story and the interesting gesture-based gameplay. This game is sure to be among the year's most talked about games, and as of right now, there's only one console you can get it on.
We also have Flip's Twisted World. It's by no means as big as Epic Mickey, but it's no less cool looking. It takes some classic platforming tips from Super Mario Galaxy and adds a gravity-bending mechanic whereby players can "flip" the world in order to solve various puzzles. The bright, bouncy art style and promising central gimmick make it a game to watch this year.
This is before we even begin to mention the first-party Nintendo stuff: Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M and a new Legend of Zelda are all on the way as well. Obviously, Nintendo has always ruled the roost when it comes to exclusive videogames, and 2010 sees three of its biggest franchises get long-awaited sequels. Mario Galaxy 2 is already looking just as good as its predecessor, which was of course an absolute blast. Other M is a strange duck, being developed by Team Ninja and featuring a prequel storyline, but everything we've seen so far looks tremendous. As for the new Zelda, I have no doubt that it'll be brilliant, as I'm yet to play a main Zelda title that I haven't loved.
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Funnily enough, you compare the Wii's upcoming library of exclusives to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, and you might find that the Wii is coming out on top. So far, the PS3 has had God of War III, Heavy Rain and MAG this year, decent enough titles, but Sony hasn't left itself too much for the rest of the year and the Wii simply has more planned for 2010. As for the Xbox 360, lord knows what Microsoft has planned. So far we've seen Halo: Reach, Crackdown 2 and Alan Wake, and they all seem miles away.
Of course, we have Natal and Move coming, but I can't say I'm enthusiastic about any of them. MS is hyping Natal like we were actually asking for games without controllers, while Sony is copying the Wii and then claiming the Wii is shit. Hardly inspiring marketing campaigns. Also, I find it quite ironic that Sony and MS are following the Wii at a time when the Wii has already proven its mainstream pull and is now steadily appealing to a hardcore fanbase. While Sony and MS awkwardly try and lure away the casual audience, the Wii is in a position to snipe the hardcore fans away from the 360 and PS3.
If the Wii's future doesn't grab you, it's still a great time to have Nintendo's waggle box given how the system's back catalog has fleshed out. You could of course argue that it shouldn't have taken this long to fill up, and I would agree, but regardless of how long it took, there's now plenty to choose from. I used to have a Wii before I moved to the States and barely played it. I recently bought a new one Stateside, and feel spoiled for choice. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Rune Factory Frontier, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, No More Heroes, MadWorld, Little King's Story, name but a fraction of the games I've either enjoyed or am anticipating enjoying this year. Ultimately, my Wii is seeing more action than either my Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 right now, and I never thought I would say that.
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There is plenty to criticize the Wii for. Its absurd online restrictions, the volume of shovelware that lazy publishers put out, Nintendo of America's sloppy PR, the problems are varied and more than noticeable. However, the old "Wii gathers dust" comments are simply not true. Not if you actually open your eyes and want to support some ambitious, lovingly crafted, and damn cool games. Rather than bitch about how you never turn your Wii on, perhaps you ought to pay attention to some of the fantastic Wii games that are being made and unfairly ignored by consumers.
There is loads out there. More than you might realize, in fact. More than enough, at the very least, to stop your Wii from gathering dust.
OP: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has a message for you:
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Originally Posted by Meeleex
I don't even know what to say... again, I simply can't believe that people are supporting this with their hard earned money. Wow, Livid is a word that comes close to describing what I'd feel in this situation if I'd spent money on a game and couldn't install/play it when I FELT like it with zero restrictions.
No such thing when one owns a hard copy of software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
That in regard to "gaming" sounds absolutely retarded.
jesus :|:?
I'm truly sorry to hear it. This is why I don't support "renting software" in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meeleex
hope you get it sorted
^^^WOW. I'm speechless.
I saw a Wii in the corner, but no puddles anywhere... yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smii
Not as speechless as I am in regard to you bending over for the Console Companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
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Well, I didn't see this coming. The "Official Nintendo Wii Thread." :D
I'll state my love for the following titles (some of which I still don't own):
1. A Boy and His Blob (My favorite Wii title).
2. Astro Boy (I'm thinking, the best version of the game).
3. Ultimate Shooting Collection.
4. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
5. Wario Land Shake it
6. Muramasa: Demon Blade
7. Seriously, can anyone recommend me any more awesome 2D titles for the Wii? (Must be original Wii titles, though ;))
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
They do :D
Personally, I really dig the Wii-make of Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. Does that still count?Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Also, InternalPrimate is gaga (:P) over the Klonoa Wii-make. I have it, but I haven't played it, yet.
I know you're only looking for 2D games (and god bless you for it), but how about games that are in the spirit of 2D? I recommend the Punch-Out!! Wii-make and Zakk & Wiki.
Okay, I don't really feel like arguing anymore, so I'll keep this brief, and I'll probably only make this one post before ignoring this discussion for its duration:Quote:
Originally Posted by various people
Quick show of hands of everyone who has taken a loss on a console?
To everyone who didn't raise their hands: bullshit.
Financial loss goes not only with video games, but with consumerism in general. We buy stuff, we use it, we get bored with it, we sell it for significantly less than we paid for it, we lose it.
As far as the cost of DLC being lost as the system ages, who gives a shit really? I'm not going to waste too many tears mourning the $5 I spent on a game three years ago, and I got a whole box of tissues right here for anyone who will - especially those who are crying without even owning the system to begin with.
We've had this discussion over and over and over again, and it seems like every time it gets settled, some yahoo wanders in from some other part of the internet and starts it all up again. There are many members here who are aware of the risk of DLC. Maybe Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft will work out a way to transfer current-gen DLC to next-gen systems? Maybe they won't. You can either make your peace with it as many of us have, or you don't.
You may very well end up just losing $100 worth of downloaded games in the console generations to come. But then, you may very well end up losing more money than that in physical games in the console generations to come. It happens.
All I know is that I'm having fun with these games right now, as are many others here. Join us, won't you?
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If you don't own this, then I hope the flying koala hordes feast on you & steal your identity.
This game is beautiful and jawusumly fun.
^Lmao. Indeed. I still don't own it. I did get Odin Sphere for the PS2, though. As for the Wii, Muramsa is definitely going to be my next purchase. No doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by The Coop
*winces* Please don't say Wii-make again. Or Wii-imagining, before you get any ideas. And no, it doesn't ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
I have nothing useful to contribute, since I don't have a Wii m'self, and haven't played anything good on one. But I will say, don't buy "Arcade Zone" - it surely must be the Action 52 of Wii titles.
What, you don't like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smii
That's what the game sites are calling them...
*pouts*
How about a wii-release? A wii-wiilease? A wii-wiiwiise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smii
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Originally Posted by The Coop
Why would anybody want to buy a wii now anyway? Atleast wait and see if the move is any good first.
All I can say is FUCK YOU and fuck those who support renting software... know why asshole... because the Console arena is where this whole idea started... the Console arena was the testing ground and it has passed with flying colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
Eventually, the same Pubs/Devs that you let fuck you in the ass will want to do the same thing to the PC market (and it's already begun). Apparently you're "ok with it", guess what: not everyone shares your opinion and some actually care about their dollar more than you.
If there was ZERO potential for this BS to affect me, I wouldn't give a shit but because of assholes like you who support it, I have to worry about it coming to my doorstep in the PC Gaming world and that's a load of BS.
I don't tell you how to game so what gives you the right to dictate to me? By you supporting 'renting' of Games vs. buying hard copies, you in turn give the Pubs/Devs the impression that they can get away with this.
What if I want to play that game 20 years from now? It's MY FUCKING MONEY, do I not have the right to hold onto the game for life!?
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Oh, settle down. I really have no idea why you're a part of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool