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Hey guys, Mega Man 10 is announced. Sorry I've been posting alot of gamespot announcement links lately. You guys didn't seem to like Greenday : Rockband so I wanted to make up. Think of it as a Christmas gift.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6243797...dlines;title;2
sounds good I look forward to Mega Man 10 :)
Same here.
I'm not fond of the nes style presentation. It's lazy. There's already enough 8-bit Mega Man games. They should remake it in the MM8 style or at least something different.
They should continue the MMX franchise with an entry that is based off MMX1. Kinda like how MM9 is based off MM2. :D
I actually think it's the opposite of lazy. Due to the self-imposed limitations, a lot goes into the level designs and creativity. And it's just great fun! Some games just work best under certain standards, and I think Mega Man works best as an 8-bit game.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
I loved 9, and 10 looks even better. Who would've thought that sentence would be written a couple of year ago when the Mega Man name was stamped on all kinds of trash? Sure, there's still the Battle Network series dragging the name down, but the main series is moving along better than ever. Sonic should take note...
I welcome more 8bit megaman games. Graphics were never the original series' selling point for me.
Still, at this point I would prefer that they open up part 10 to include a comprehensive level editor feature. (or something else, radically different.)
And why not include all of the music, from all titles in the entire franchise in a toolbox for the levels.
There's no reason they can't stick to MM10 with mods and expansions as long as they backbone it with good libraries.
DO IT CAPCOM!
Actually, there's a lot of stuff in MM9 that would never have been possible on a real NES (or at least, there would have been tons of flicker). In that respect, they loosely based MM9 on the original MM2 on NES. They took some liberties so it isn't nearly as impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
I'm stoked. This is what I want to see.
It was cute the first time Capcom, but the 8-Bit retrograde ain't gonna cut it again. See, now they're just going back to what they were doing in the early '90's; releasing 8-Bit MM games year after year that were virtually indistinguishable to the casual eye. Hell, even for me as a long-time MM fan have trouble telling apart the NES games!!!
Look at what Konami is doing with their "Rebirth" re-makes. Why couldn't Capcom bump up the graphics to 16-Bit quality, at least on par with "Mega Man X"?
Its going to suck even worse if they don't fuckin' tie the original series w/the X series and keep stringing us along for another installment. If that's the case then they shouldn't have even bothered with 9.
Actually, it probably will. I know I'm looking forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarzak
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by genocide-superstar
Yeah, my first console was a Genesis, so it's hard for me to get a nostalgia boner over 8-bit graphics. I really love what Konami is doing with the ReBirth line and it would be cool if Capcom would follow suit. Really beautiful 2D graphics make me swoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarzak
Personally I'm VERY happy to see Capcom actually do something new with Classic Mega man and the 8Bit presentation makes it even more awesome.
Wow. I think Sega-16 has more 8bit haters than any other retro gaming forum :/ ... haters!
I feel the same way..Why all the 8bit hate for??Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
I don't think 'Limitations' gauge how awesome or lazy a developer is when releasing intentionally 8-bit games.
I look at the end result, a game is a game; I play it if it's fun and worth playing.
The past 10 years or so, more and more 'Gamers' (Stupid term) look at software as if they're appraising it instead of seeing it for what it is; A product to make money & hopefully appease a segment of the market well enough to boost brand loyalty & profits.
That's what 8bit games like MM9 & MM10 are. Retro throwbacks, Not 'Laziness because they're soullessly not pushing the envelope on graphics anymore.'
8bit, 16bit, 32/64bit. It was all a bullshit measurement to begin with & there's no reason more of those types of games can't be made today.
The worst part about them were the hardware limitations being imposed to ruin the experience. Slowdown, flicker, choppiness, load times; all these things that "Would make the game better." if you were to believe half the people on these forums.
Haters? Mental illness I say, just move along.
I don't mind the look, it's better than nothing.
What I would really like though is Mega Man Legends 3.
I'm no programmer, but I'm pretty sure that making a game NES-style these days isn't so easy that Capcom should be written off as lazy (in this situation, I mean). The 8-bit Mega Man sprite looks better than his SNES and PSX/Saturn counterparts, so I'm glad to see it.
On a sidenote, there's a rumor circulating around the internets that one of the bosses is called "Sheep Man." Judging by his electric attack, however (and the fact that he looks like a cloud), I'm pretty sure he will be ultimately revealed as Storm Man, or something to that effect...
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
But there are no self-imposed limitations other than what the sprites look like. They could have Mega Man turn into a full 3D rendering halfway through the level if they wanted. Couldn't do that on NES.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
which is why I personally don't respect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
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Originally Posted by tomaitheous
I don't hate 8-bit, but this isn't 8-bit, it's a lame phoned in wanna-be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWarrior
Personally, I think if they want to use retro graphics, they should make a crazy twist to it. Take Space Invaders Infinity Gene on the iPhone: you get the original Space Invaders sprites, but then you add new enemies, new level types, and even a feature that generates levels based on the music in your iPhone! I don't mind some 8-bit sprites, but if they aren't going to program it as a real NES game, they should depart from even trying to fake it and take it in a wild new direction that really pushes the genre ahead.
It's a game, a software toy, it doesn't need 'Respect' outside of proper purchase support if you like it. It doesn't have to impress you graphically when it's entire mission-statement/existence is aimed at 'looking like an NES megaman game'.
Seriously, how does saying "I think this MM9/MM10 game would be way better if it had NES style flicker, slowdown, & other problems thrown in to be true-retro and impressive"; make any sense at all?
Still holding on to the '8 bit/16 bit' marketing gimmick with a judgmental 'Phone-in wannabe' argument is ridiculous.
Am I the only person who thinks that's slightly fucked up & stupid? Certainly not. When it comes to the old limitations, I would most certianly overclock a genesis to kill slowdown if it improved game performance while keeping it 100% stable. Is that Not true retro for being an option unused?
No amount of iPhone app plugs will justify an argument so ridiculous when it's basis is on a lack of creativity. Which is comparing apples & oranges to the complaints put forward.
I hear a lot of people saying that the 8bit graphics are lame and that it should at least be 16bit. As I recall, everyone was excited to see MM9 with 8bit graphics and now they're pissed as shit, so if they did make MM10 16bit, what's going to stop them from getting pissed at MM11 for being 16bit?
first off, that's hugely flawed logic. 16-bit is alllllmost as good as 2D gets, 8-bit is not. The ones complaining about 8-bit want MVC2 quality 2D graphics, as best as the system can handle. I'm OK with some 8-bit touches, but I want to see some mind-blowing twists to make it stand out against the original 6 NES MM games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why-Disciple
Nope. It's sheep man. Thanks to my little brother's school magazine drive, Nintendo Power confirmed that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
Capcom is embracing the cheesy. And I like it.
I agree I can do w/o 8-Bit styled graphics. The Guilty Gear series blew my mind with it's high resolution graphics. SSF2THD did the same thing and SF3 had outstanding animation. 3D games keep getting better and better while 2D games seem to have takin a standstill really. I will give Nintendo props for doing what they have done with Mario Bros.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Did anyone here, other than I, play MM9? You could turn on sprite flicker if you wanted a more "authentic" experience.
And 17days, you do know that Space Invaders Extreme for the iPhone is a port, right?
flickering is a very specific limitation, since it means only x amount of sprites could fall on one scanline, but slowdowns can vary between games because it depends on how many cpu cycles it takes the programmers to control what sprites.
I don't want a patronizing sprite flicker, I want it to flicker because it's a real NES game running in an NES emulator. Look at D-pad Hero: http://dpadhero.com/Home.html They made a true, honest to god NES game in 2009 that would play on an NES if you put it in a repro cart. I respect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Space Invaders Extreme is NOT the game I mentioned, I said Space Invaders Infinity Gene, which is exclusively for mobile phones and equivalents and IIRC was originally on the iPhone. I don't care even if it is a port, the fact is that it is a very interesting twist that combines retro graphics with modern hardware capabilities. I also like what Radiant did:
Techincal aspects aside, even MM4-MM6 were phoned in and half assed, so of course MM9 and the upcoming MM10 are going to be the same without some drastic series revamp/changes.
I don't want another milquetoast Sonic game either. A new 2D Sonic game would be great, but I want HD sprites with high animation frame rates and levels that can do what the Genesis couldn't. Classic platforming gameplay is ace, no need to bog it down with shit "let's pretend it's really an 8/16-bit era game" retro graphics aesthetics. Like what Meteor Blitz did to Asteroids:
At KD, as usual, I know WHY Capcom is making this phoned in fanboy bullshit, I'm just saying I don't like it and I think it's a lazy step in the wrong direction from a purist sense. Green Day will sell more albums than Fugazi this year, doesn't mean I like what Green Day is doing nowadays. If you're going to justify games with the phrase "well, people will buy it", you might as well give up on any decent/innovative new video games coming out.
Are you people to tell me you wouldn't enjoy a Mega Man game that took a Radiant spin on the genre? I know I sure as hell would.
I still don't understand how someone can consider this "phoned in". The fact is, dozens of games are released each year in which their main selling point is their visuals. Nothing else, just visuals. These games garner so much attention that it's sickening, and most of the time they end up just being recycled experiences.
So when a game comes out, in 2009, and can sell well because of the ideas it offers and the polished gameplay it presents, while at the same time deliberately ignoring gamers desire for flashy visuals, that's something special.
Mega Man 9 was awesome because it was both an homage to the 8-bit era and a genuinely good game.
But MM10 gives me the feeling that it might be more of the same. Once is fun, but the second time it's not a fresh idea anymore. I would've found it cooler if MM10 was an homage to the 16-bit era instead.
BUT MM9 IS JUST A RECYCLED EXPERIENCE!Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
it's not significantly different from any of the NES ones. If you have MM anniversary collection, I see no reason to ever play MM9, you aren't missing anything. Modern technology allows them to really vary the gameplay in ways that would've been impossible on the NES, but instead they just cash in on the rising retro fad. I'm not saying I need a 1080p MM that plays like stick figures, but god dammit if flash games aren't 1000x better than MM9. Have you ever played the game :shift: ? When Mega Man does something that cool, then we'll talk.
Well, anyone who is a long-time Mega Man fan knows that you shouldn't enter each game expecting an experience vastly different from the previous games. Usually the "hook" is the new set of robot masters.
This is looking very impressive. Though I never picked up 9, seeing the footage of 10 has me in the mood to jump into that so I can be in the zone for this upcoming release.
So you played MM10? How is it? You must be pretty important considering no one outside of Capcom has played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
All I'm hearing on this thread is complaining and bitching about MM10 should at lease 16 bit
Capcom made 2 games 8bit..the 1st time yay 8bit..the 2nd time, wtf Capcom
I don't thing Capcom is doing 8bit remakes to other game..only MM..People are not pleased regardless
This came up before, but if they want the NES style graphics ("8-bit" is kind of meaningless, could apply to anything from Atari 2600, 5200/8-bit, 7800, C64, SMS, Speccy, CPC, MSX, MSX2, ColecoVision, etc -or even TG-16 if you stretched it)Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Anyway, if they want NES style graphics, fine, it's the roots of the franchise, but that's no reason to not include an upgraded graphics option (like the monkey Island re-releases with VGA mode in addition to the remade graphics and sound). High quality 2D graphics and sound (with remixes of the NES style music), on par or better than Mega Man 8. (maybe keep 3D out to facilitate a proper NES mode, that and having all 2D gives a different feel)
Other than the annoying difficulty level at some points, I'm not a big Mega Man guy, but my little brother is (beat all the older games), and he got stuck and pretty much abandoned MM9, I kind of suck at the games so that's no surprise. (I'm a bit better with MMX1 and MM8 though, and 64/legends I was decent as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
I don't hate 8-bit graphics, I just didn't really have much experience with them when they were new. I just think it would be nice for Capcom to mix it up a little. A Megaman with goregeous, Legend of Mana-esque watercolor graphics would be awesome, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
Really? I've played (and beaten) all 6 of the original games as well as MM9. I thought MM9 felt fresh in comparison to the original games, even though it was in the same style. Something tells me you never even played MM9.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Anyway, I'm glad that MM10 is in the same style as MM9 and I look forward to it. The NES games were better than the later ones anyway (although they're still pretty good).
I'm not an 8bit hater. I just don't think the world is in dire need of another 8bit Mega Man game. I'd really like them to take it in a MM8 style audio/visual direction.
wow. I said MM9.Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Note to self: Internal Primate can not read.
It's just on my Wii right now :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloBoy
I beat all of the base robot masters and then lost interest in favor of the hundreds of better games I own.
I agree. The biggest problem with 8 was that the core gameplay wasn't all that great, but the graphics were AWESOME. To say good graphics and sound won't enhance an already good game is just being stubborn. I appreciate the idea of the retro-looking graphics, but like those games I posted videos of (and everyone chose to ignore, as per usual when I make a solid argument), it could've been taken into a cool modern direction (seeing the space invaders enemies in full animation was nothing sort of amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike