Game Bargain of the Century

[jerry coeurl]

To everyone else:

hoooooly shit, check this out!

http://dcisozone.com/downloads/1660/...-emulator.html

I'm not sure if it's an official game or not, but it isn't a US release, so it's not violating copyrights if you download it for non-profit use AFAIK.



apparently it's a super obscure Japanese PSX game converted to a Bleem! disc for DC. What.The.Fudge.

It was an official PSX release if that's what you mean, but I wouldn't call it a game, exactly. It's hard to describe, but really you just wander through dreamscapes, bumping into things to change your current location until 10 minutes are up, or you kill yourself (fall off a ledge, for example). Every so often really weird videos will play in the place of the gameplay segments. After each dream you are given a rating on a grid based on how Dynamic/Static or Happy/Sad the dream was.

I played LSD: Dream Emulator a lot back when I had my modded PSP, and it's not for everyone (I'm not sure you'd really like it 17days... there is no action and literally no point), but it's unlike anything else you can put in your PSX and I'd recommend that everyone try it at least once.

[17daysolderthannes]

So what's wrong then? My Burner? The disc image itself? CD-R brand? My DC's laser assembly?

I'm gonna finish downloading the parts for this big Neo4ALL set, so I'll test that. I'm also gonna give my little sister's drive one go, to see if it fixes anything. Still, my DVDRAM drive burns Sega CD games fine, what's different about DC games?

All I know is that I just burned that exact Neo4All disc you linked to on DCISOZONE and it works great. I'd say your computer is the culprit, I've burned DC games on two different computers and all it took was literally downloading the trial of DiscJuggler from the Padus website, installing it, double clicking a .cdi of a properly made file, hitting burn, saying "yes" to the speed limit, and saying "no" to "fixing the disc" if it asked. I have never touched any settings.

Homemade PCs FTL, everyone I have ever known with one has had some sort of problem, most of which are fried motherboards You'll probably have better luck on your sister's computer. Your DC may also be on it's last legs, have you tried cleaning it up, particularly the laser lense? CD-Rs are always harder to read than commercial discs, sort of like taking a clear picture is easier in the sunlight than a dimly lit room. Clean up your DC and see if that helps: alcohol on a q-tip for the lense itself, using the dry side to actually take any dirt off. Also clean the rubber ring around the spindle, I think slipping discs cause problems from time to time. Lastly, get some gawd damn canned air duster and spray that bish.

[Guntz]

You're not configuring the burning software right.
You're using media that isn't compatible with your DC.
The image is bad.

Nobody knows, troubleshoot it.

Get a spindle and weed out the settings. Turn off buffer protection. Make sure RAW is enabled. Make sure 3rd party post-gap is enabled. Try changing between Mode 1 or Mode 2 burning. If you already have discs that work, use the same brand.

According to 17days, you don't have to change any of the DiscJuggler settings. I'm thinking the image is bad. Also I only have a limited supply of CD-Rs. If this keeps up I'm gonna have wasted quite a bit of cash on these damn things. All for a system that's too good for the discs I burn for it. DC is a crazy bitch I tell you. Sega CD is nice and plays practically everything I burn for it. I love my Sega CD.

You might also want to give Alcohol120% a chance which is what I am using (although my version is quite a few years old by now).

And CDRWs won't work btw.

Now I know for a fact Alcohol has a timed trial, so that goes on my avoid list. Also what makes you think I'd be using CDRWs? I'm not that stupid. I know how to read. Besides I've been saying CD-R in this entire thread.

All I know is that I just burned that exact Neo4All disc you linked to on DCISOZONE and it works great. I'd say your computer is the culprit, I've burned DC games on two different computers and all it took was literally downloading the trial of DiscJuggler from the Padus website, installing it, double clicking a .cdi of a properly made file, hitting burn, saying "yes" to the speed limit, and saying "no" to "fixing the disc" if it asked. I have never touched any settings.

This is what makes me think KD is wrong in messing with the settings. You've obviously burned hundreds of discs and know what you're doing. KD probably doesn't.

Homemade PCs FTL, everyone I have ever known with one has had some sort of problem, most of which are fried motherboards

Homemade PCs are far cheaper than OEM and the HDD isn't polluted with crap. Not to mention all the parts are what YOU choose, not what the OEM feels like adding to cut costs. Or whatever, I could give you 101 reasons why OEM sucks but that's beside the point of the topic.

You'll probably have better luck on your sister's computer. Your DC may also be on it's last legs, have you tried cleaning it up, particularly the laser lense? CD-Rs are always harder to read than commercial discs, sort of like taking a clear picture is easier in the sunlight than a dimly lit room. Clean up your DC and see if that helps: alcohol on a q-tip for the lense itself, using the dry side to actually take any dirt off. Also clean the rubber ring around the spindle, I think slipping discs cause problems from time to time. Lastly, get some gawd damn canned air duster and spray that bish.

But all my DC games work fine and I've written Sega CD games with no problems. My Dreamcast has even been able to read extremely scratched discs (namely my Sonic Adventure 2 demo and Power Stone, though I used a disc repair-er paste on it).

[17daysolderthannes]

All I can say is try a different computer, that seems like the only possibility at this point. The Metal Slug 2 Neo4All disc from DCISOZONE works perfectly.

As for build-your-own vs. off-the-shelf computers, the problem usually isn't the fact that it's build-your-own, it's that the builder doesn't know as much as they should to choose the parts and put it together. Also, OEMs tend to engineer things to work together, build-your-owns are a crap shoot. I always see problems with custom computers I never see with OEMs. Of course, we all know Apple FTW, at least it burns my DC discs right, even when running Windows in a simulated environment



Back to the main topic:

dude, Sonic Adventure 2 is SOOO much more playable thanks to the Dream Explorer disc from DCISOZONE, I can just choose the Sonic levels and skip those god awful Knuckles levels! There are saves out the wazoo on this thing, totally worth it for games with shitty levels you don't want to play. It also lets you add 44 extra blocks, how can you lose!? (it says some games may not recognize the VMU, but from what I've read no one has encountered that problem).

[Iron Lizard]

Try a different Dreamcast?

[Guntz]

As for build-your-own vs. off-the-shelf computers, the problem usually isn't the fact that it's build-your-own, it's that the builder doesn't know as much as they should to choose the parts and put it together. Also, OEMs tend to engineer things to work together, build-your-owns are a crap shoot. I always see problems with custom computers I never see with OEMs. Of course, we all know Apple FTW, at least it burns my DC discs right, even when running Windows in a simulated environment

Well it's not like my PC was put together with the most advanced pieces of untested technology. I have a pretty slow dual core CPU in mine (2 GHz) but the video card is awesome. Could also be the drive, but like I've said before I've written tons of stuff that has worked.

dude, Sonic Adventure 2 is SOOO much more playable thanks to the Dream Explorer disc from DCISOZONE, I can just choose the Sonic levels and skip those god awful Knuckles levels! There are saves out the wazoo on this thing, totally worth it for games with shitty levels you don't want to play. It also lets you add 44 extra blocks, how can you lose!? (it says some games may not recognize the VMU, but from what I've read no one has encountered that problem).

I have played SA2 before. Well actually I played SA2B on the GameCube, but the main game is practically the same. I never had a problem with the Knuckles/Tails levels. It was usually Sonic/Shadow's that I got annoyed with sometimes. You would get stuck on the slightest thing. If you touch the walls while you're running, chances are the wall will stop you dead in your tracks. But regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Also, what's Dream Explorer?

Try a different Dreamcast?

If I was gonna get another Dreamcast, it'd be a black sports edition model to go with every other console Sega made (as how it should be). Right now I don't see too many for sale, so I'll have to wait.

[MrMatthews]

I tried burning NesterDC to a disc this morning and struck out. Maybe it's my computer; maybe it's me. Either way it confirmed why I was against it to begin with. It's too complicated for as casual as my interest is in playing retro games on my DC

[Guntz]

I'd just like to know what's wrong with my setup. There can't possibly be a huge DC homebrew community if burning errors are widespread, so I probably have an anomaly somewhere. Even if I get this sorted out, I'll always call the Dreamcast a bitch. I've had this same DC for several years now and I still haven't produced a working, non-glitching homebrew disc. DC should learn some lessons from the Sega CD on the other side of the TV.

[retrospiel]

I tried burning NesterDC to a disc this morning and struck out. Maybe it's my computer; maybe it's me. Either way it confirmed why I was against it to begin with. It's too complicated for as casual as my interest is in playing retro games on my DC

Try creating your own with this Tutorial: http://www.zshare.net/download/73489134d3697bf5/

or burn a precompiled and tested image: http://www.dcevolution.net/index.php...om_nes_edition

[17daysolderthannes]

I tried burning NesterDC to a disc this morning and struck out. Maybe it's my computer; maybe it's me. Either way it confirmed why I was against it to begin with. It's too complicated for as casual as my interest is in playing retro games on my DC

were you using a pre-made image or trying to make your own? did you use discjuggler? is your DC made before October 2000?

I don't see what's so hard about this, the DC is the easiest time I've EVER had with bootlegging, especially once I found quality sites to pull the games from and learned about DiscJuggler.

[Guntz]

I think he's talking about building your own DC discs, which is damn near impossible. I tried and let me tell you, Assembly would probably be easier. DC disc building is easily the most difficult area of disc anything I have ever tried my hand at. I couldn't even figure out how to read the damn "build a DC homebrew disc in 10 minutes" tutorials, let alone actually doing what it said. -_-;

I'm gonna try burning a Neo4ALL disc on my little sis' PC. If that doesn't work, I'll try another image. If that doesn't work, I'm just gonna assume I'm cursed somehow. I will have tried everything and nothing will have worked.

[retrospiel]

No, it's really easy if you were to try the above tutorial I linked to.

[Guntz]

The page doesn't load.

[17daysolderthannes]

I'm gonna try burning a Neo4ALL disc on my little sis' PC. If that doesn't work, I'll try another image. If that doesn't work, I'm just gonna assume I'm cursed somehow. I will have tried everything and nothing will have worked.

do you still have the original RAR file? try deleting your image and re-expanding it (what are you expanding it with, BTW? that could be your problem. Use the actual WinRAR program) to make sure you didn't save any changed options by mistake. Take that expanded .cdi to her computer, download discjuggler (the latest version) straight from the Padus website, install it, open the .cdi, touch no options, put in a disc, click "start", click "yes" to burning, then click "no" to fix it. If it doesn't work then, I have no idea.

[retrospiel]

The page doesn't load.

You mean zshare or the tutorial itself after installation ?

You have to install it to "C:\".


EDIT: Tested only in Windows XP. You will have to use the latest version of BootDreams for the actual CD compilation if you are using Vista or a 64-bit version of XP.