What would you like to see in new videogame systems?

[OldSchool]

there really isnt anything on pc thats better than graphics on game consoles, so that makes the more powerful hardware just a waste of money until the games start to look better which wont be until the end of this generation, and by that time consoles will be much cheaper anyway. You are right that a gamepad really isnt as good even with experience.

Todays "next gen" Consoles don't even take full advantage of DX9 and you're making comments about how top notch PCs don't take full advantage of their hardware...

Jesus... take a look at DX10 or any top notch DX9 game tricked out with full options turned on, running V-Sync and AA at high resolutions.


How much cheaper? You're already paying what... $3-600 for the equivalent of an old Nvidia 7600 and (I don't know what the CPU speed is), nothing too fast though, and a HD that's less than 100 GBs.

Do you know what you can buy today for $600 in the "PC" world... you can probably get a Quad 2.4 and an 88GT for less than $500... add a 100 GB HD for what... $120-150... and with that you're already going to run circles around the P3 and the 360.

Please do your homework before you go running your mouth and call me a "PC fanboy".

I plan on buying a 360 and P3 at some point, but ONLY for their exclusive games... I would NEVER buy a game for those two systems that exists for the PC... why... because I know it's going to look better, run better, and have more options on the PC than the Console version would have... not to meniton Mods.

[OldSchool]

I don't think you need a PC or console just a life swearing at and insulting me over video games rofl get real...... I really cba to argue and insult on forums and you should either find something better to do with your time.

If the kitchen's too hot....

[OldSchool]

That depends on the PC, you just need to pump a bit
more money in the PC to get better performance than
the console (if we are talking about a console at launch
and, say, couple of months after).

And how you people can like ego shooters on consoles?
Aiming properly with a gamepad is like playing an e-guitar
and holding it behind your head. Possible with training,
but not the best way to do it.

Thank the Lord... I'm not alone, lol.

Let's see your precious consoles do THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG5qDeWHNmk#movie_player

Lol ^ right on


These Console lamers don't understand... the PC owns all.

[Knuckle Duster]

Posting 6 times in a row will get you banned here.

USE THE EDIT BUTTON, FOOL.

Being a PC loving prima-donna is cool and all, but your generalizations will not go over well with anybody. The point you're missing from these 'Console' gamers, is that for all the horsepower available in the PC market, the developers would rather throttle it back and release it on a stable platform like a console.

You choose to blame this as on console gamers for being ignorant, when the reality is; it's more cost effective to not poor money into heavy development to take advantage of newer hardware. Until someone leases an 'engine' that handles it well enough, there won't be much improvement. (The same gos for consoles these days too.) The rest of your argument is just fanboy nonsense. Like it or not, PC gaming is being killed by it's obsolete obscurity & inaccessibility to mainstream gamers who aren't hardware enthusiasts.

[OldSchool]

And now that's I've completely derailed the thread and turned it into an Anal PC vs. Console fest... I will try to contribute to what the OP started.

What I would like to see in a Next Gen Console is a system that has NOTHING to do with PC gaming... doesn't try to compete with PC gaming, and does NOT support ANY PC games.

I would like to see 2D come back in a big way... games with amazingly high Sprite counts and fantastic integration of current 3d effects. Sprites that look so good we'd think we're in a different world.

Games that pick up where the Neo Geo left off, but go even farther.
There could definitely be room for high quality 3D games as well... Platformers, horizontal/vertical/both Shooters, Puzzle games, strategy... all unique to that console.. no more Cross Platforming of titles.

Of course, the Publishers want nothing to do with this because that wouldn't make them any money, and then the PC market would be on it's own again and they'd have to start over from scratch... and todays current Devs/Pubs are not going to try new things.


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[OldSchool]

Being a PC loving prima-donna is cool and all, but your generalizations will not go over well with anybody. The point you're missing from these 'Console' gamers, is that for all the horsepower available in the PC market, the developers would rather throttle it back and release it on a stable platform like a console.

You choose to blame this as on console gamers for being ignorant, when the reality is; it's more cost effective to not poor money into heavy development to take advantage of newer hardware. Until someone leases an 'engine' that handles it well enough, there won't be much improvement. (The same gos for consoles these days too.) The rest of your argument is just fanboy nonsense. Like it or not, PC gaming is being killed by it's obsolete obscurity & inaccessibility to mainstream gamers who aren't hardware enthusiasts.

Lol... you're dumb. I have a system with 300 games installed and they work beautifully. I have close to 300 sitting on the floor and by years end will have a system with 600+ all working flawlessly. Name me a Console you can do that on... oh that's right... it doesn't exist. It's funny to me you mention stability in reference to Console gaming... funny because a majority of Console games suffer from poor framerates, Tearing issues and Jaggies because the Devs don't ensure that V-Sync and AA work for all Console titles. It's this way because Console gamers don't know from shit and accept it for what it is, the easy way to play 'wanna be' top notch games.

And Console games always release 'bugfree' versus the pesky bug ridden PC games... ***cough**BS***cough**


Piracy for Console gaming is catching up and will be equal to PC piracy in the next 2-5 years... and at that time... things are going to get very interesting.


Just because you're cool with being dictated to as far as what you can play and how you can play it doesn't mean the PC market is going to be ok with it.

[Knuckle Duster]

Lol... you're dumb. I have a system with 300 games installed and they work beautifully. I have close to 300 sitting on the floor and by years end will have a system with 600+ all working flawlessly. Name me a Console you can do that on... oh that's right... it doesn't exist. It's funny to me you mention stability in reference to Console gaming... funny because a majority of Console games suffer from poor framerates, Tearing issues and Jaggies because the Devs don't ensure that V-Sync and AA work for all Console titles. It's this way because Console gamers don't know from shit and accept it for what it is, the easy way to play 'wanna be' top notch games.

And Console games always release 'bugfree' versus the pesky bug ridden PC games... ***cough**BS***cough**


Piracy for Console gaming is catching up and will be equal to PC piracy in the next 2-5 years... and at that time... things are going to get very interesting.

You call me dumb, because I'm saying 'developers' would rather not spend more money, and feed cheap, unimpressive, games to the masses across all platforms including PCs, BECAUSE you have 600 games running on a platform? PC games ARE flexible. But they're all being nerfed in favor of luring people to consoles.

And furthermore "A stable platform = One without hardware changes. Not one that runs with stability." Reading comprehension is your friend.

Just because you're cool with being dictated to as far as what you can play and how you can play it doesn't mean the PC market is going to be ok with it.

The PC market ok with what? You think you're fighting for PC gaming by insulting people who see developers ass-fucking everybody for the bottom line?

If you're the last person to post, and have something further to add, Learn how to use the edit button if you wish to continue on these boards.

[OldSchool]

You call me dumb, because I'm saying 'developers' would rather not spend more money, and feed cheap, unimpressive, games to the masses across all platforms including PCs, BECAUSE you have 600 games running on a platform? PC games ARE flexible. But they're all being nerfed in favor of luring people to consoles.

And furthermore "A stable platform = One without hardware changes. Not one that runs with stability." Reading comprehension is your friend.



A. The PC market ok with what? You think you're fighting for PC gaming by insulting people who see developers ass-fucking everybody for the bottom line?
If you're the last person to post, and have something further to add, Learn how to use the edit button if you wish to continue on these boards.

I called you dumb because you seem to be ok with the Console Market and it's attempt to kill PC Gaming.

You originally made a point about DEVs putting their effort towards the Console market because they think it's more stable. They only do so because they don't want to push the boundaries of what's possible, not because the Consoles are "more stable". But now with this second post, you've further clarified... to which we are more or less in agreement.

What My machine was built Jan of '08 and nothing's changed on it Hardware wise. It's as stable as can be. But I know what you're saying... Console don't change, yada..


A. Custom Development/Mods = new games that won't even need proper Dev/Pub support... it's been happening for years already and will only get stronger. No. I'm simply being argumentative with those who are helping Console gaming kill PC gaming.

[OldSchool]

It's just too bad that the PC has 'fuck all' worth playing that's any better than what's capable on the consoles.

More than anything, this is why I keep calling you dumb.

It's applicable.

[doomguy]

Like i said he is just a man who doesnt see opinions only his facts and if he wants people do drop there retarded opinions he can just insults us so we will see his almighty facts. And like i also said before get real and find something better to do we like to discuss are opinions and have fun with games not argue like Nerds. And i think he posted 3 times so you cant see my post which quotes some his amazing grasp of others opinions lol

And i will say it one more time nobody is right its just different points of view.

[Knuckle Duster]

I called you dumb because you seem to be ok with the Console Market and it's attempt to kill PC Gaming.

You originally made a point about DEVs putting their effort towards the Console market because they think it's more stable. They only do so because they don't want to push the boundaries of what's possible, not because the Consoles are "more stable". But now with this second post, you've further clarified... to which we are more or less in agreement.

What My machine was built Jan of '08 and nothing's changed on it Hardware wise. It's as stable as can be.


A. Custom Development/Mods = new games that won't even need proper Dev/Pub support... it's been happening for years already and will only get stronger. No. I'm simply being argumentative with those who are helping Console gaming kill PC gaming.

How are people helping console gaming kill PC gaming? When the developers themselves are making the Console games the superior product? You're throwing all your faith behind the mod community as if it was a selling point to the average gamer these days.

Why would it be a selling point? People are too lazy to build gaming PC's regardless of how easy they are to piece together. People don't want to configure drivers. They want the PC gaming experience to work straight out of the box. What makes you think these people give a shit about the latest MOD for a PC game?

Say what you will about how crappy the 'sand boxed' console platforms, they all have the benefit of being able to plug-and-play games without worry of hardware being compatible. That's a selling point to the masses.

You consider everybody stupid for buying 'what they wanted out of PC gaming on a modern console' and don't blame the developers for abandoning the niche game-modding scenes?

More than anything, this is why I keep calling you dumb.

It's applicable.

PC games are nerfed, and have been 'SHIT' that doesn't offer any marginal difference from a console version for the past half-decade. Please point out how that observation makes me 'dumb'. You must be 12 years old, otherwise I feel sorry for you.

[OldSchool]

How are people helping console gaming kill PC gaming? When the developers themselves are making the Console games the superior product? You're throwing all your faith behind the mod community as if it was a selling point to the average gamer these days.

Why would it be a selling point? People are too lazy to build gaming PC's regardless of how easy they are to piece together. People don't want to configure drivers. They want the PC gaming experience to work straight out of the box. What makes you think these people give a shit about the latest MOD for a PC game?

Say what you will about how crappy the 'sand boxed' console platforms, they all have the benefit of being able to plug-and-play games without worry of hardware being compatible. That's a selling point to the masses.

You consider everybody stupid for buying 'what they wanted out of PC gaming on a modern console' and don't blame the developers for abandoning the niche game-modding scenes?



PC games are nerfed, and have been 'SHIT' that doesn't offer any marginal difference from a console version for the past half-decade. Please point out how that observation makes me 'dumb'. You must be 12 years old, otherwise I feel sorry for you.

What - the Console version is ALWAYS inferior to the PC version... Resident Evil 4 is the only case I can think of where the PC got dicked.. I'm sure it happens once in a blue moon, but 9/10, the PC version is always superior. wth are you talking about dude?

"Blah blah blah, I like inferior Console gaming... blah blah blah."

Yeah, and they're inferior in terms of graphics, possible expansion, and working V-Sync and AA... and they're still full of bugs and have to be patched. The masses = sheeple, they want the "easy" way to play games, even if it is inferior to PC gaming, and even if they're getting dicked... that's why they're the masses, lol.

Haha, I consider them retarded because they expect a PC experience on hardware that sucks running software that's inferior to the PC counterpart.

"PC games are nerfed"... dude (shaking head), I don't even know where to begin with your retarded ass. Your "observation" is unfounded because it's incorrect... some "observation" there buddy... you obviously don't play PC.


gtfo omf

[doomguy]

Get a life you pathetic ignorant nerd
quotes

1.
"What - the Console version is ALWAYS inferior to the PC version... "= highly opinionated (nothing wrong in that)

2.
" Blah blah blah, I like inferior Console gaming... blah blah blah."= unable to accept other opinions.
3.
"Yeah, and they're inferior in terms of graphics, possible expansion, and working V-Sync and AA... and they're still full of bugs and have to be patched. The masses = sheeple, they want the "easy" way to play games, even if it is inferior to PC gaming, and even if they're getting dicked... that's why they're the masses, lol"

Firstly. since you are such a spell checker its sheep not steeple.

Second. i disagree with everything you just said.

Third. Maybe sometimes things are appeal to the masses appeal because they are better?

4.
"Haha, I consider them retarded because they expect a PC experience on hardware that sucks running software that's inferior to the PC counterpart."

Times have changed do you even own an Xbox360 and or Ps3? There is very little difference between the two no matter what the opinion you have you would need to be pretty retarded yourself to call somebody a retard for liking one over the other.

Bottom line i think you need some kind of help you care way to much about this sort of thing. Maybe you should take up something more peaceful than videogames.

[Melf]

Enough with the off-topic posts and the insults. I'm >-< this close to closing this thread.

[doomguy]

On that note I would like to see hardware powerful enough to make most games split screen. To often do games these days do away with split screen so they don't have to spend time making worse graphics for it because they can simply add online multi player. I was playing street racer for the Saturn earlier and that goes 8 player split screen! which is awesome when you have friends over.