Nintendo DS

[Knuckle Duster]

Virtual Boy failed harder than Gumpei Yokoi's real life Frogger skills.

I'd also say that the SNES launch was second only to Dreamcast's in North America.
It surpasses it if you take the first 4 months of software into account. (Up to the end of 91)

There was arguably more awesome stuff on the SNES within a year of launch than any other platform by comparison.

[InternalPrimate]

Virtual Boy failed harder than Gumpei Yokoi's real life Frogger skills.

Not cool.

[Knuckle Duster]

Not cool.

I know.

[Guntz]

I was gonna say "Now that's just cold", but then I had to remind myself "Don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll"...

[Knuckle Duster]

I was gonna say "Now that's just cold", but then I had to remind myself "Don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll"...

Nice. Since you've 'said it' anyway, I have to ask who's trolling, junior?

Virtual Boy was a failure, that's why I joked about it before throwing in my 2 cents on the launch discussion. It was an intentionally 'horrible' joke too. This is the internet not a playground. I'm sure IP knows better.

I certainly know better.
Thanks for the meal, kid.

[Phexar]

Speaking of upgrades, the DSi can finally connect through WPA (like the Wii already can) instead of only WEP, which the DS and DSLite have been restricted to.

[OldSchool]

The DSi introduced the new DSiWare Store which is ONLY available on the DSi (and/or DSXL or whatever). Case and point. If you want to play the DSiWare games, you need a DSi and therefore are being fleeced especially when the DS2 could come out any time. The DSLite obviously wasn't a cash grab, but the DSi was and it is still an absolutely retarded half-step of a system upgrade.

Wow, that's vulgar... wow ... makes me not even want to buy a Wii now. The thought of supporting Company Practices like this makes me ill.

the music format? uhhh, not sure. What do you need that for, exactly? If it doesn't out of the box, there could be an app for that.

Yeah, I don't.... was just curious if it supported it out of the box. Ha, made me think of that commercial where there's hundreds of different apps for 'everything'. Main reason I'll never own an iphone or similar gear...

I'm simple when it comes to phones... took me years to accept one that has a camera and does internet even though I appreciate both features.

Speaking of upgrades, the DSi can finally connect through WPA (like the Wii already can) instead of only WEP, which the DS and DSLite have been restricted to.

Again, this feature is lost on me... I would NEVER want Net functionality on a portable Game system... I just wanna have a nice, clear, large screen, kickass games, solid construction, and decent battery life.

I've only ever owned one... the original B/W Gameboy.. had the 'lense enhancer' and had about 20somethin games for it... and loved it.


thks guys for the input and thoughts... interesting to hear from a bunch of gamers

[MrMatthews]

The DSi introduced the new DSiWare Store which is ONLY available on the DSi (and/or DSXL or whatever). Case and point. If you want to play the DSiWare games, you need a DSi and therefore are being fleeced especially when the DS2 could come out any time. The DSLite obviously wasn't a cash grab, but the DSi was and it is still an absolutely retarded half-step of a system upgrade.

Wow, that's vulgar... wow ... makes me not even want to buy a Wii now. The thought of supporting Company Practices like this makes me ill.

Fail x2.

I don't see how a hardware revision that includes access to an online store and internal memory for storing games from said store qualifies as shady business practices. The DSi is quite obviously a stop-gap, but IMHO a far more effective one than the SegaCD, 32x, or all those PSP revisions. I'm more than satisfied with my decision to upgrade.

Guntz, you fail for having that opinion, and OldSchool fails for agreeing with you. I suppose both of you were trembling with rage when Nintendo dropped support for the original Gameboy and forced you to purchase a Gameboy Color to play GBC-only games.

Oops - are either of you old enough to remember that? My bad...

[Da_Shocker]

Thing is Sega was crucified for releasing to many systems. This is the 4th revision on the same hardware. And it's not like they are making them cheaper either. It seems to me that Nintendo and Sony are competing to see who can make the most hardware revisions on the same system. Is that why you want to get in the Guiness Book of records.

[Metal_Sonic]

Fail x2.

I don't see how a hardware revision that includes access to an online store and internal memory for storing games from said store qualifies as shady business practices. The DSi is quite obviously a stop-gap, but IMHO a far more effective one than the SegaCD, 32x, or all those PSP revisions. I'm more than satisfied with my decision to upgrade.

Guntz, you fail for having that opinion, and OldSchool fails for agreeing with you. I suppose both of you were trembling with rage when Nintendo dropped support for the original Gameboy and forced you to purchase a Gameboy Color to play GBC-only games.

Oops - are either of you old enough to remember that? My bad...

Can you really go wrong with any revision? Most of the perks are just extras with any DS revision if you're just looking to access the DS library. I say get the cheapest one or the one with the biggest screen, none of the other shit really matters.

[Guntz]

Nice. Since you've 'said it' anyway, I have to ask who's trolling, junior?

Virtual Boy was a failure, that's why I joked about it before throwing in my 2 cents on the launch discussion. It was an intentionally 'horrible' joke too. This is the internet not a playground. I'm sure IP knows better.

I certainly know better.
Thanks for the meal, kid.

I realized you were joking, that's why I called you a troll. I'm sorry to hear you can't read properly, otherwise you would know that I called you a troll.

Fail x2.

I don't see how a hardware revision that includes access to an online store and internal memory for storing games from said store qualifies as shady business practices. The DSi is quite obviously a stop-gap, but IMHO a far more effective one than the SegaCD, 32x, or all those PSP revisions. I'm more than satisfied with my decision to upgrade.

Why the hell can't Nintendo make the original DS and DSLite compatible with the DSiWare store? Why?! That's where the idiocy lies. 32-Bit games are one matter, but a download service? You can download games on the regular PSP. Just release a damn flash card or something and download stuff to it.

Guntz, you fail for having that opinion, and OldSchool fails for agreeing with you. I suppose both of you were trembling with rage when Nintendo dropped support for the original Gameboy and forced you to purchase a Gameboy Color to play GBC-only games.

Oops - are either of you old enough to remember that? My bad...

Fuck you. Really. I shit list anybody who insults me with kid jokes. Add one more grumpy old fag to the list...

Though concerning your argument, Nintendo released black GB cartridges that supported the enhanced GBC color palette and the original GB. THEN there were the GBC only games. Oh wait my bad, you were probably too young to remember. See what I did there?

[Knuckle Duster]

I realized you were joking, that's why I called you a troll. I'm sorry to hear you can't read properly, otherwise you would know that I called you a troll.

Enlightment for your own benefit.

Why the hell can't Nintendo make the original DS and DSLite compatible with the DSiWare store? Why?! That's where the idiocy lies. 32-Bit games are one matter, but a download service? You can download games on the regular PSP. Just release a damn flash card or something and download stuff to it.

Why introduce scalability to hardware that's trying to be phased out of retail entirely? There's no profit in it. Nintendo isn't your friend.

Fuck you. Really. I shit list anybody who insults me with kid jokes. Add one more grumpy old fag to the list...

Though concerning your argument, Nintendo released black GB cartridges that supported the enhanced GBC color palette and the original GB. THEN there were the GBC only games. Oh wait my bad, you were probably too young to remember. See what I did there?

Seems to me like 'what you did there' was demonstrate his point.

This is a stopgap with limited reach pertaining to the platform as a whole, The DS successor will use a more robust, if not just more aggressively supported online service. They're field testing the market.

[Guntz]

Enlightment for your own benefit.

How cute. Maybe I should speak more clearly so you'll understand next time my boy.

Why introduce scalability to hardware that's trying to be phased out of retail entirely? There's no profit in it. Nintendo isn't your friend.

The problem is the DSi is essentially a DSLite with a few new features tacked on. The biggest feature is access to the DSiWare Store as previously mentioned. These download only games could easily be played on a regular DS, like a PSP. The problem is Nintendo has chosen to kill support for the older system needlessly when it could easily be included in the new business plan. It would be different if we were talking about the DS2, where an exclusive download store would make sense. But the idea of making a DS variant largely for one tier of games that is made inaccessible to the other DS variations is simply a means of forcing more money out of people's pockets. IF they want to play the downloadable games. Then again that is irrelevant because you could then ask, "why buy a DS system anyway?" which isn't the point of this discussion.

Seems to me like 'what you did there' was agree with his point.

This is a stopgap with limited reach pertaining to the platform as a whole, The DS successor will use a more robust, if not just more aggressively supported online service. They're field testing the market.

Again with the reading comprehension thing. Maybe I should simplify my original post:

When the Game Boy Color was released, there were two different formats released. One that supports both Game Boy and Game Boy Color, while the other supports only Game Boy Color.

This means that Nintendo clearly did not alienate their older consumer base with the release of the Game Boy Color. While they did not offer full support, partial is better than none, which is what's happening with the DSiWare Store.

[17daysolderthannes]

Goldeneye wasn't a launch title... neither was Wave Race or Final Fantasy II.

I'm calling launch games anything within the 1st year. In other words, systems with big hits right out of the gate, even if they weren't available the very first day the system was sold. Compared that to, say, the XBOX 360 that had a bunch of irate customers ready to sell their systems until about 2 years after launch.

I think you have the wrong idea when it comes to these failed systems. The NEO-GEO was actually popular. It's just it's price prohibited it's market penetration to only people with serious cash. The Virtual Boy had a lot of promise but had undermined itself from overhype and lack of technology. Now there is no company who's brave enough to get near the idea of Virtual Reality, sort of like where the nuclear facility was located in Chernobyl. Neither of these systems were failures right from the start, that status would be awarded to the N64DD, a true stillborn system. There is no reason for a company to be hesitant to support a new game system based on past experience when there IS no past experience to fall back on. The NEO-GEO would have sold very well if it's price wasn't so damn high. The Virtual Boy, if it had more time put into it and was hyped within realistic boundaries, it wouldn't have been so bad.

The Neo Geo was never popular, are you high? The MVS might've been popular, but MVS=/=AES in this discussion. I had never seen or heard of a Neo Geo till years after it was relevant. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the AES other than the cost, but it proved that people weren't willing to pay 6X as much to play an arcade perfect game vs. a downsized port.

The Virtual Boy made your eyes bleed and just wasn't practical. Also, the games were short and shallow and really just played like a 3D version of 2D games.

The N64DD was just a disk drive, I don't see how a minor add-on could be called a system failure. IIRC, it didn't even have any additional hardware, it was just a big memory card with a couple games released for it.

[ApolloBoy]

Fuck you. Really. I shit list anybody who insults me with kid jokes. Add one more grumpy old fag to the list...

Jesus Christ, can we have a thread in Insert Coin without it degenerating into shoutfests like this?