OMG SONY ..Really

[Joe Redifer]

I imagine the Linux browser is probably better than the PS3's, but use your computer because that's even way better than that! I never need to browse the web while playing my videogame systems or watching Blu-rays. The only thing I'll browse for are new demos to download.

Your rational of buying a game for one console vs another and renewing a paid online subscription just because one can't use Linux is absolutely absurd. Your XBox 36 can't run it, either. You might as well sell your Genesis and become a SNES fanboy because your PS3 can't use Linux. That is about as much sense as you are making.

[Chilly Willy]

Like I said, nobody knows the hardware relationship, they could be up for renewing with Nvidia, who 'could' argue that it's cutting into competing with their desktop products because Sony was negligent. It's crazy and 'way out there', but possible. Businesses are cut-throat.

Your argument about nVidia is silly. The video in the PS3 is equivalent to a 7800GT, a rather obsolete card these days. nVidia has also ALWAYS had linux drivers for their cards. There's absolutely no reason for nVidia to be the source of why the PS3 didn't allow access to the RSX in OTHEROS mode.

The reason for SONY to block is the only reasonable explanation. If you had hardware 3D on the OTHEROS side, you could play Nexius or ioquake3 in linux, so you might not buy a Quake 4/5/whatever on the game side. I'd rather play Doom with custom levels than Just Cause 2... so that would be a lost sale in their view.

Anywho, I always liked OTHEROS on the PS3 because it made the PS3 the perfect student computer. As long as the kid's college didn't REQUIRE Windows, you put linux on the PS3 and there you have it - games, movies, music, and computer all in one cheap package. While you don't get hardware 3D in linux, it's plenty for listening to odd format music files, watching most video, surfing the net, and editing papers or whatnot with Open Office. If you were an engineer with projects to do in FORTRAN or some other language, the PS3 linux could handle that as well. It could easily also serve as a terminal for accessing the college's mainframe.

[Melf]

I read that Sony included the "other OS" option solely to get around a tax in Europe, as the PS3 could then be categorized as a computer and not have to pay the tax.

Personally, I couldn't care less about losing the option, since I have never and would never use it. What I DON'T like, however, is Sony taking the time to update my console to REMOVE features instead of adding them.

Where the fuck is cross-game chat? How about updating for that?

[FoxHound]

I imagine the Linux browser is probably better than the PS3's, but use your computer because that's even way better than that! I never need to browse the web while playing my videogame systems or watching Blu-rays. The only thing I'll browse for are new demos to download.

Your rational of buying a game for one console vs another and renewing a paid online subscription just because one can't use Linux is absolutely absurd. Your XBox 36 can't run it, either. You might as well sell your Genesis and become a SNES fanboy because your PS3 can't use Linux. That is about as much sense as you are making.

sorry if i didnt make it clear, i am arguing the fact since i decided to keep my Linux and not update SONY wont let me now access the PS store. That is what I am not liking about this..and naturally now I will get Digital downloads games from XBL or WiiWare

[cvanderhoef]

I am officially done with my PS3..no more PSN nothing..Renewing my Xbox Live gold membership again.

http://us.playstation.com/support/sy.../ps3/index.htm

and if you have Install of other OS, and if you decide to keep it too bad we dont support it..

http://us.playstation.com/support/sy...ate1/index.htm

I am not happy with Sony..F-them if they think I will update cause they force me to. I got the answer DONE.. goodbye.. and I was planning on getting PS3 Move with eye toy and all that.

Microsoft did the same thing...

[Meeleex]

Gaming really does seem to be going down the shitter nowadays... forced limitations, forced removal of features, ect..... I'm going to be so pissed once they truly move fully to digital downloads.. I've had trouble with my xbox, so now I no longer get to use my dlc without having a certain account logged in... Don't forget if you buy a crap load of dlc, then the service changes or shuts off (original xbox for example) bam, once that console dies ALL your money is wasted.... The main thing that pissed me off with the ps3 was the removal of bc.. I was still thinking about getting one, but now with features being forcibly removed I am definitely not pleased... Sure I can accept that the new ones don't have the feature you know that going in, thats not the point.. its not giving people a choice if they want to stay "connected" you can't even log into your friends list to chat without updates... The only reason that would get me interested in the ps3 again would be the return of bc

don't get me started on companies limiting used game purchases, you need to buy them new to get all the features.. or buy some extra code thing later... they are all loosing my purchases. Can't they understand that not everyone is willing to spend 70 on a new game , but maybe 40? so someone buys it new for 70, resells it for 40 as they beat it and wont play it again, then buys a new game for 70... resell it again ect ect.. they are still making money while more people get to enjoy games...

[Phantar]

That was only a matter of time; no doubt this is a reaction on the fact that someone managed to hack a PS3 in January using a Linux OS on the system:

http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/0...r-platter.html

So in order to prevent this hack from developing any further, Sony simply discontinues the support of "other operating systems". And I can understand them, as a matter of fact. They have managed to keep their console piracy-free for quite a while, and they simply wish to keep it that way for a little while longer.

And be honest, how many of you took advantage of the fact that you could install another OS anyway? That was a service on Sony's side that only a minority used in the first place.

[Meeleex]

That was only a matter of time; no doubt this is a reaction on the fact that someone managed to hack a PS3 in January using a Linux OS on the system:

http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/0...r-platter.html

So in order to prevent this hack from developing any further, Sony simply discontinues the support of "other operating systems". And I can understand them, as a matter of fact. They have managed to keep their console piracy-free for quite a while, and they simply wish to keep it that way for a little while longer.

And be honest, how many of you took advantage of the fact that you could install another OS anyway?

Sony has already discontinued the support of "other operating systems" by removing it from all current revisions from the getgo.. thats not the point.. its the fact that they aren't just discontinuing it but FORCIBLY removing it...

Sure its most likely to remove piracy, and maybe not everyone used it... but when you offer features which could be considered selling points. Then remove them without letting the end user who paid for a system with that feature have the option to keep it without limiting other features which they also have paid for (the option to use PSN) that really pushes me into my angry zone..

[Phantar]

Considering your anger zone: Would you even have thought about putting Linux on the PS3 if Sony hadn't opened up that possibility in the first place? Was that really a selling point in your eyes? Because I don't know a single PS3 user (yet) who bought the console because of that feature.

And people are still buying the newer revisions. So I don't see it ever having been much of a "selling point"

[Meeleex]

I would because the previous ps2 allowed it. To me, it is a selling point.. it means my console isnt 100% locked by the developer, and gives me some freedom. Thats also what im saying, in the new versions you know the feature is already removed. It was never included, im fine with that.. but when you REMOVE something without giving options.. it really is not good buisness practice

EDIT

Thankfully others like geohot understand.. hes looking into releasing a cfw to retain this feature. He is not one for piracy, just keeping the feature there. He has his points on there too, they are exactly the same as mine, so you can read it if you want http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/ it's in the latest posts

[Knuckle Duster]

Your argument about nVidia is silly. The video in the PS3 is equivalent to a 7800GT, a rather obsolete card these days. nVidia has also ALWAYS had linux drivers for their cards. There's absolutely no reason for nVidia to be the source of why the PS3 didn't allow access to the RSX in OTHEROS mode.

Absolutely no reason? There is a reason, it's called money.

It's not an 'argument' on my part, since it's so unlikely. It's just a possibility most whining fanboys tend to miss thinking about at all when they crusade against corporations who were supposed to be their 'best friend.'

Removing the OS support was obviously to take out piracy, further than that nobody knows... Nvidia could opt for a cash-grab on Sony for breaching a contract or something dictated when they signed off on supplying the GPU. I guess what needs to be stated is that Nvidia isn't your friend either, open source support or not. At the end of the day Sony's the one who killed this, and Nvidia aren't infallible saints who do no evil.

[cabear]

i used the linux on my ps3 to run snes/genesis/arcade emulators. It's fun but i rarely used it. Not sure what i'll do yet as far as updating. i like the idea of playing sf2 ce whenever i want but it's kind of a pain in the ass to set up with the keyboard and mouse, etc.

[snakesqzns]

I'm waiting to see how the HPC community responds to this.

[Chilly Willy]

Would you even have thought about putting Linux on the PS3 if Sony hadn't opened up that possibility in the first place? Was that really a selling point in your eyes? Because I don't know a single PS3 user (yet) who bought the console because of that feature.

I did. When considering current gen consoles, it goes like this:

Nintendo Wii - Sorry, not a current gen machine. Cross it off the list.

XBox 360 - When kitted out like the PS3, costs about the same. You pay for their online service. Won't run linux without hacking, and MS closed the hacks by burning eFuses in the CPU. Fries on a regular basis - most heavy players have had to replace their 360 more than once.

Sony PS3 - Similar price to XBox 360 for feature parity. Free online service. Official support for alternate OSes, with linux supported by Sony engineers (other than the RSX). Seems to have a decent record as far as reliability goes. Links to PSP rather well.

I got the PS3, and I have had linux on it since day one. It is currently running Xubuntu 9.10.

[snakesqzns]

I had linux on my PS3 for a bit but it's so incredibly slow (tried both Ubuntu and Yellowdog). I suppose if I only ran a framebuffer console and used links/mutt/vim/etc it'd be fine.