PAL MD -> RGB Scart -> CSY-2100?

[whitespyderzero]

Hi there,

I've recently seen this Youtube video, explaining the benefits of using an RGB cable for the Mega Drive/Genesis, plugging it into an RGB to YUV converter (like the CSY-2100) to get a better picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xxZ3j5uiM

I noticed that he was using an NTSC console for this video, and I was just wondering if anyone has tried this on a PAL console - Is there an improvement from normal RGB Scart?

Thanks!

[TmEE]

There won't be any improvement, actually the opposite since in the TV the YUV is converted back to RGB. RGB is the best analog medium for video, YUV comes after that, then S-video and then composhit and then RF.

[The Jackal]

That converter is should only be used if your having probs playing on your MD on a HDTV via RGB scart.

If you're using a standard CRT tv, you will LOSE picture quality...

[64k]

most TVs take RGB over scart same with flat panels.

you should just use RGB Scart.

[chinitosoccer]

The Jackal:That converter is should only be used if your having probs playing on your MD on a HDTV via RGB scart.

If you're using a standard CRT tv, you will LOSE picture quality...

TmEE :There won't be any improvement, actually the opposite since in the TV the YUV is converted back to RGB. RGB is the best analog medium for video, YUV comes after that, then S-video and then composhit and then RF.

Any of you guys own an actual CRT TV with component video inputs?

[64k]

RGB doesn't require component inputs.

[retrospiel]

If you're in Europe: RGB-SCART


If you're in the US: RGB-SCART to HDMI converter for HDTVs, RGB-SCART to component converter for CRT SDTVs (provided your TV has component in of course).

[chinitosoccer]

I just wanted to know if any of you europeans have really tried or seen an actual CRT TV with component video inputs,
I want to know in what you guys rely to claim about the loss in quality of the component video connection compared to RGB Scart, when using an RGB scart to YUV transcoder on CRT TV's.

[The Jackal]

RGB Scart is the best picture the MD can muster.

Upscaling to component is pointless on a SDTV as it won't do anything but lose picture quality.

People only use external upscalers for their HDTV sets because most don't support 240p - hence using the upscalers to bypass this issue...

Some US dudes and ladies use RGB to HDMI/YUV upscalers because US tvs don't have scart inputs...

[chinitosoccer]

RGB Scart is the best picture the MD can muster.

Upscaling to component is pointless on a SDTV as it won't do anything but lose picture quality.

People only use external upscalers for their HDTV sets because most don't support 240p - hence using the upscalers to bypass this issue...

Some US dudes and ladies use RGB to HDMI/YUV upscalers because US tvs don't have scart inputs...

There are RGB scart to Cpmponent converters like the "Atlona" wich doesn't "upscale" anything, just takes the RGB 240p 15khz signal coming from the console and converts it into the same signal but with "YUV" values= 240p 15khz Component.


Megadrive by RGB Scart, and Megadrive by RGB scart Through RGB to Component converter (not upscaler) gives the same picture quality it doesn't matter what type of TV display you use.

[The Jackal]

There are RGB scart to Cpmponent converters like the "Atlona" wich doesn't "upscale" anything, just takes the RGB 240p 15khz signal coming from the console and converts it into the same signal but with "YUV" values= 240p 15khz Component.


Megadrive by RGB Scart, and Megadrive by RGB scart Through RGB to Component converter (not upscaler) gives the same picture quality it doesn't matter what type of TV display you use.

OK, cool, I never knew there were non-upscaling RGB converters out there...

[Assman]

Megadrive by RGB Scart, and Megadrive by RGB scart Through RGB to Component converter (not upscaler) gives the same picture quality it doesn't matter what type of TV display you use.

Any conversion is going to degrade the picture quality, though. Not a noticeable amount, necessarily, but I think it's virtually impossible to end up with a 1:1 conversion.

[chinitosoccer]

Any conversion is going to degrade the picture quality, though. Not a noticeable amount, necessarily, but I think it's virtually impossible to end up with a 1:1 conversion.

This is not the same as converting S-video to RGB, both analog RGB and analog Component inputs are of the same quality, but achieved in 2 diferent ways.

[Assman]

Dude, I never said anything about S-video. I'm well aware that RGB and YPbPr are similar quality signals; that's not my point. My point is simply that converting one type of signal to another will cause a loss in quality no matter what. It doesn't matter if what you're converting it to is just as capable or even more so, the simple fact that an active conversion is taking place is going to cause some amount of degradation. That's just the nature of the beast. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it isn't there.

[retrospiel]

I want to know in what you guys rely to claim about the loss in quality of the component video connection compared to RGB Scart, when using an RGB scart to YUV transcoder on CRT TV's.

If you transcode from analog to digital to analog and from RGB to YPbPr to RGB you do loose something in the process. It won't be anything terrible though, and it without a doubt is still the very best solution when trying to hook up an RGB source to a CRT SDTV without RGB support.

The biggest difference between YPbPr and RGB however is the TV itself and how it handles both formats. I can't even change brightness, contrast or color saturation when my TV is fed with an RGB signal. It's just 100% pure RGB.

That being said, I wouldn't give a damn and probably be perfectly happy with a SCART to component converter for my CRT if RGB wouldn't be an option.