All-time Favorite Sega system?

[Smii]

1st (by a long stretch) = Mega Drive / CD (not so much 32x, if I'm honest ;P)
2nd = SMS / GG
3rd = Saturn
4th = DC

[Zoltor]

Zoltor is a moron, all of Sega's systems are great, anyone who denies this deserves the banhammer, end of thread.

As for me, I like all of Sega's systems. In fact, I own games for every single one of them, except a dedicated SMS console or a Pico. I've never liked the idea of picking favorites anyway, so I'm not voting in this stupid poll.

EDIT: Actually, scratch that. I just checked the poll results and the Game Gear doesn't have a single vote. So screw all of you, I'm giving the Game Gear some much needed love (one of my favorite games is Legend of Illusion).

Ah a Sega Zealot, I've heard of you guys. I guess you loved the 32X as well then lol?

[CGQuarterly]

You're on a sega fan-site, dipshit.

Chris

[Devon]

sweet game gear got a vote, game gear and master system really are brothers anyways :P

[Zoltor]

You're on a sega fan-site, dipshit.

Chris

Yea granted, but I highly doubt anyone on a Nintendo site would call the VB a great system.

Also there's a differance between Fanboys, and angry zealots, zealots are never acceptable on any forum.

[The Coop]

It depends on how you define "great." If by that term you mean a powerful system with copious amounts of fantastical capabilities on a technical level, that's one thing. But if by "great" you mean a system that offered up games that you really like and enjoy, that's something else.

I've found a lot of wonderful games on the Genesis, Sega CD, Saturn, DC and the Master System. Hell, there are a few that I really had fun with on the 32X. Whether that makes the systems themselves great is up in the air, but the fact that those systems led to great games being created for them is something to take into account.

[Zebbe]

Sega Mega Drive. I worship it like it is a religion. Every day I work hard on manifesting my undying love for this fantastic machine, and soon it will be released as Pier Solar.

[CGQuarterly]

Zoltor: I have to say that I've seen plenty of love for the VB on various forums over the years.

I'm really not one to make blanket statements about one console sucking while the other is awesome, though. VB had some cool games, so did the Game Gear. I'm not a fan of either console, but that's an issue with the hardware, not the games themselves. I listed my order of preference for Sega's consoles earlier in the thread, but really I like all of them. I just need to make a consolized Game Gear one of these days...

Chris

[Thenewguy]

Since when does graphics have anything to do with what system or games for that matter are better.

Lol, and posting Duck tales, SMB3, and DW3(pretty sure thats the inn in the first town) for NES examples, doesn't really help your cause any, those are amazing games.

I know they're good games, why do you think I used them as examples in the first place I compared like for like the best I could.

Yeah, because graphics make the game.

Unfortunately for you half those pictures are the same game (Ys, Miracle Warriors) with the same gameplay, looking like crap on the NES, and many of the other Master System games are better anyway.

You guys talk like Nintendo advertisements, yeah graphics aren't everything, but presentation is damn important for RPG's at least, NES RPGs are pretty much unplayable across the board, one of the best things about RPG's is reaching a new land and seeing what its like, the worlds of Dragon Quest are made up of endlessly repeating red and green squares! the graphics are so poor and undetailed that they can't show any kind of emotion in the character at all, you get some tiny icon that vaguely looks like a person firing off reams of writing whilst a screetching tone plays in the background.

The Master System RPGs may have had similarly simplistic story's, but at least everything was fleshed out showing the characters and worlds.



Notice I even said in my post that overall the NES is probably better, what I take a stance against is this idea that it deserves a monopoly of the market share, The Master System may not of had the numbers of great games, but it did have great games being released every year, which looked much better, and were available on a cheaper system, therefore it rightly deserved a good slice of market share.

What I don't understand is the utter stupidity that Americans think the NES not ruling over Europe is some kind of unfathomable mistake, what is difficult to understand about someone seeing two systems in a shop window, and the person deciding to buy the cheaper system which also has better looking games?!?!!?!? nobody was ever going to buy 200 odd games for either system anyway so it hardly matter that the Master System only has like 110 good games on it.

You get this rubbish constantly from US forum users, there's this all pervading self importance about the NES and all its games, if it came out on Master System it was a rip-off or is unimportant and forgotten about.

Here's some average examples I come across constantly -

"Safari Hunt is a rip-off of Duck Hunt"

"But Duck Hunt is crap it only has one enemy sprite and one background"

"You moron, Duck Hunt was revolutionary at the time and really original"

"No Duck Hunt was a lazy Nintendo clone of Atari's arcade game called Qwak! actually"

"......."

"Nintendo did nothing at all but copy the previous arcade game, and those hunting style "tin can alley" games had existed for ages anyway, the least Nintendo could've done is try to add something with the new electronic hardware, at least Sega made some effort to add multiple creatures and different environments

".........Well, Sega had to rely on ripping off NES games all the time, look at Wonder Boy ripping off Adventure Island, that was a classic NES game"

No, actually Adventure Island is a rip off of Wonder Boy....with crap graphics....and fewer levels

etc, etc

[Guntz]

Ah a Sega Zealot, I've heard of you guys. I guess you loved the 32X as well then lol?

You seem to hate everything, how are you any better than somebody that loves everything? Oh wait, you piss people off...

Yea granted, but I highly doubt anyone on a Nintendo site would call the VB a great system.

If you stop by NintendoAge, you'll find a bunch of VB fans.

Also there's a differance between Fanboys, and angry zealots, zealots are never acceptable on any forum.

Trolls aren't accepted on any forum either. I vote for your banning since you can't seem to like any of Sega's classic offering that aren't in 3D or with billions of colors. Actually, it wouldn't be so bad if you just nodded and went along with the Genesis love. Instead you make an ass of yourself and downplay everyone's love of the console. Purposely trying to get people upset. You know what that's called? Trolling.

[Zoltor]

Sega Mega Drive. I worship it like it is a religion. Every day I work hard on manifesting my undying love for this fantastic machine, and soon it will be released as Pier Solar.

Speaking of which, I can't wait until that comes out, hell I even bought a Sega CD just for that game(before I found out there were some actual awesome games on it, which since then started picking up), and hope it comes soon.

[Zoltor]

You seem to hate everything, how are you any better than somebody that loves everything? Oh wait, you piss people off...



If you stop by NintendoAge, you'll find a bunch of VB fans.



Trolls aren't accepted on any forum either. I vote for your banning since you can't seem to like any of Sega's classic offering that aren't in 3D or with billions of colors. Actually, it wouldn't be so bad if you just nodded and went along with the Genesis love. Instead you make an ass of yourself and downplay everyone's love of the console. Purposely trying to get people upset. You know what that's called? Trolling.

What are you talking about, I like the Genesis(does it beat the DC, hell no, but I still like it), and I like the Sega CD as well.

I also don't like the N64(with the exception of Goldeneye), and the GC is a POS all around, but excuse me, It's not my fualt I like Nintendos classics more then Sega's classics, however I also like Sega's newer games more in comparison to their older stuff(with the exception of like Shining Force 2), and more then Nintendos newer games as well.

Why are you fighting me on this anyway, hell even die hard Sega fans almost unamously agree that Sonic CD, and SA 2 are the best Sonic games, so why are you picking on me for the same(10 bucks says It's because I voted on the Nintendo Systems in the console war threads)?

[Devon]

I still love u Zoltar

[kool kitty89]

I don't see why you think the SMS is bad, it actually had the balls to stand up to the NES in the states and put up a better fight then most of the others,and did quite well in european markets.

Umm, Sega had a worse market share in the US than Atari Corp up to the release of the Genesis. (I think there might have even been more new 7800+2600 games released, probably not though -unless you count the XEGS... though most of that was re-releases anyway)
SMS was a good system though, even in the US probably a good bit better than the 7800 in terms of games (if you were really into some of the arcade classics and a couple exclusives the 7800 could be a better option -or more so if you were looking for a budget system).
I think it sold better in Europe (~3.77 million in the US -not north america- but the SMS obviously sold much much more in Europe).

As for later Youtube clip, this one's higher quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQjiHKhQg0


A shame they didn't carry over the Mk.III's expansion port allowing the YM2413 FM add-on. (let alone having it built-in on the western SMS) The SMS's PSG is pretty limited, hell even for 1979 it was more limited than several competitors. (POKEY on the A400/800 and in the arcade, and the AY chip used in the Intellivision and some arcade games as well as many other things later on)

EU wasn't considered part of the gaming community until the PS2 came out, why becase they weren't "gamers", they were downright Sega fanatics. If it didn't say Sega on the console, they ignored its existance. Hell I'm pretty sure even the 32X was considered a Success in EU.

Hell no, UK was the only region really heavily Sega... It's just that Nintendo never had the dominance they had in Japan or the US (up to ~1991), Germany in particular was heavily Nintendo (NES and SNES outsold the MD by a good margin iirc) and overall it was much closer than the UK.
The thing is, they weren't constrained to consoles either: home computers were huge with the C64 and Spectrum (CPC to a lesser extent) than the ST and Amiga. Up to the MD's release consoles tended to have a stigma of "kiddie toys" where computers were for real gaming. (especially with the 16-bit computers being out before the NES or SMS) Also shows why the SMS was more popular, it did have far more competitive graphics with the 16-bit computers. (sound wasn't that great but only moderately weaker than the ST -or CPC/Speccy 128k using the same sound chips)

32x was most definitely not very successful in Europe, it's actually quite rare compared to the US and goes for considerably higher prices due to that. (as do many games) It was released late, so had even less of a chance before the Saturn followed.

Balls perhaps, but the fact is, Nintendo didn't even know the SMS existed, the NES was so much better, It's not funny. Come on now, just suck up your pride, you know that the SMS was a POS, compared to just about every other Sega Console.

The hell they did: in 1986 the 7800, SMS, and NES were on equal standings in the US, at least in terms of media perception (see articles from the time).
Nintendo had the right marketing and a killer pack-in and a slightly earlier launch than Sega (with rather poor marketing, especially given the budget -Atari had far less of a budget but did well considering), they were both newcomers and Sega maybe even had a bigger name due to the more numerous popular Arcade titles. (several even ported to home consoles and computers already)

In Europe they started and stayed on even ground and stayed that way, except in the UK where Nintendo really dragged their feet and Sega got a big head start. (again the more competitive graphics helped too, not to mention better marketing compared to the odd stuff Sega was doing in the west -even the later Tonka stuff was better)

In Japan, Sega was a distant second, but they were still the only real competition prior to NES in 1987.

PS. In any case though, nothing warrants people picking the SMS in this topic.

Plenty of good games, many more if you include imports. (same case with the Saturn, DC to some extent too, even the MD for that matter)

[Guntz]

What are you talking about, I like the Genesis(does it beat the DC, hell no, but I still like it), and I like the Sega CD as well.

You never actually said you liked the Genesis. All you said was that it wasn't anywhere near as good as the DC.

I also don't like the N64(with the exception of Goldeneye), and the GC is a POS all around, but excuse me, It's not my fualt I like Nintendos classics more then Sega's classics, however I like Sega's newer games more in comparison to their older stuff(with the exception of like Shining Force 2).

There's nothing wrong with an opinion. It's when you belittle people for loving one of Sega's most adored consoles because you think it isn't that good, when the majority says otherwise.

Why are you fighting me on this anyway, hell even die hard Sega fans almost unamously agree that Sonic CD, and SA 2 are the best Sonic games, so why are you picking on me for the same(10 bucks says It's because I voted on the Nintendo Systems in the console war threads)?

You're the only one in this thread that is talking crap about the Genesis. I haven't even read the console war polls, let alone post in them.