Favorite Type of Game?

[ary incorparated]

the graphics are far way not the most important thing but itll give the genesis a good image,a older genesis RPG can be swell,why it doesnt age cause of its gameplay.but then aggain what do you want then a game without nice graphics only RPG,s that look semi ness i dotn think so,graphics do have importancy you dotn want to play nes aggain on genesis i asume neither for the sound,Phantsay star doesnt look good for nothing and sounds good too,its the age 1994 and it wants to give you the precence of the show graphics and sound are more the package of the pressent that make a pressent look good and the looks of the pressent and the perssent itself is the you and the so called gameplay + value stiry.but im not a graphic whore but can you see the diffrnce between a phantasy star 2 and 4,yes in 4 you get the nice graphics as a gift of evolution of beeing better ny looking and sounding better.if graphics arent important they not always are if played the decent looking games on genesis that are great,like herzog zwei,but if a new game of herzog would game you can imagion the better graphics right and the better sound cause you want that.what do you prefer a street fighetr on mastersystem or on genesis and asume gameplay wise theyre both the same,see the genesis gameplay is good+the better graphics so it works most of the time demonic Ristar comix zone ranger x all good gameplay,sound,graphics you may expect goiod graphics cause you know it makes comix zone better ranger x and more,so does the sound you dont hit the mute button,Graphics + sound isnt the most important thing gameplay first but then they have to come to make a game look apealing and actually give you something too listen too and enjoy the game more fullyer then only like just a game with goofd story+ gameplay.this is as obvious as it can get,im bit a genesis fanboy but i love other systems toio ya know varation,genesis has it weakness and thats having not too big line upp of RPGs i didnt say theyre badd on genesis just not as many.

[Demonic Weasel]

I would just like to say I was not trying to deny you your opinion. Maybe my defense of Shining Force was too harsh, but there it is.

And I would also like to say that graphics are important in a game, they're just usually at the bottom of my list.

And lastly, the Shining Force graphics usually fit the feel and the mood of the story at least. And that's even better than just being pretty in my opinion.

[ary incorparated]

ill give it a try someday,im not into them today but i dont like beggar prince too for its comocian,i dont know but i dont like it and i aint to buy a game cause the media is pressing it good,genesis has good rpg,s,and theyre are good in their own perspective,RPG,s saturn owns snes,so sega has it only on a other console.in the total

Shooters genesis 1 point snes 0
action adventure games genesis 1 snes 0
RPG,s genesis 0 snes 1
racing games 1-1
sport genesis 1 snes 0.

Total 4 aggainst 2 if you ask me.

[108 Stars]

That's why I won't comment on your opinions (which I disagree with), but you are overlooking a number of Genesis games in your list such as Shining in the Darkness, Sword of Vermillion, Rings of Power, The Immortal, Monster World III and IV, and others,...

Alright, I forgot Shining in the Darkness and The Immortal.
Wonderboy in Monsterworld is in the list already, but I haven´t played Monsterworld IV long enough to say how good or bad it is.

Regarding Vermillon and Rings of Power I must say that I only listed games at least slightly better than mediocre, and I dislike both of them.

...along with all the Sega CD RPGs, which I'd include due to it being an add-on to the Genesis, bringing in both Lunar games, Dark Wizard, Popful Mail, etc.

And if you want to be fair, the Sega CD is more so part of the Genesis than it is it's own consol. Those RPG's more than even out the score.

For the Sega CD, I admit the Lunar games are very good, and Vay or Dark Wizard are not bad too. If I included them, maybe I could call it a draw.
But only a minority of Mega Drive-users owns a Sega CD while those SNES-RPGs work without hardware add-on by everyone...

But hell yeah, since many of the Top-SNES-RPGs were not available in the Western world and can only be played in English using Emulators you convinced me that the real US-releases for the Genesis / Sega CD are about equal to the officially released US-SNES-titles.
But still, if you consider fan-translations, i´d prefer the SNES.

[ary incorparated]

Alright, I forgot Shining in the Darkness and The Immortal.
Wonderboy in Monsterworld is in the list already, but I haven´t played Monsterworld IV long enough to say how good or bad it is.

Regarding Vermillon and Rings of Power I must say that I only listed games at least slightly better than mediocre, and I dislike both of them.





For the Sega CD, I admit the Lunar games are very good, and Vay or Dark Wizard are not bad too. If I included them, maybe I could call it a draw.
But only a minority of Mega Drive-users owns a Sega CD while those SNES-RPGs work without hardware add-on by everyone...

But hell yeah, since many of the Top-SNES-RPGs were not available in the Western world and can only be played in English using Emulators you convinced me that the real US-releases for the Genesis / Sega CD are about equal to the officially released US-SNES-titles.
But still, if you consider fan-translations, i´d prefer the SNES.

No snes used chip sets extra for boosting better graphics mode 7,speed boost in star ocean etc etc,you may count that as a add on,lol.yes sega cd has great RPG,s in the RPG department genesis doesnt dissapiont me at al does me a great pleasure.

[Zebbe]

108 Stars: If you count fan translation ROMs you could as well count Sega CD ROMs.

[108 Stars]

@Zebbe
This is what I said:
Considering only official US-releases, no fan-translations I admit both consoles RPG-library could be called equal.
With fan-translations/Sega CD counting, the SNES still wins for me.

@ary incorparated
The difference between the SNES´chips and Sega CD-ROMs is that at least every SNES user could use games with special chips while I only break my CDs trying to plug them in my standard Mega Drive´s cartridge slot.
And I never said Genesis had no good RPGs, just not as many as the SNES.
You stated the SNES was a bit better for RPGs too, didn´t you?

[Zebbe]

108 Stars: Yeah, I can see that now. Sorry for being so blind/dumb.

The chips made the SNES games very expensive. The SNES games were in fact more expensive even without the chips, compared to the Mega Drive's games. In 1995, a grand SNES RPG would be as expensive as a Sega CD, which price went down drastically over time after the release. So I don't really see a big problem buying an add-on when the RPG library expanded so.

[Demonic Weasel]

In the end the Genesis wins for RPG's. So nya.

[108 Stars]

The problem with the Sega CD was that even if I bought one in 1995, I had to get an import and a US-Genesis in addition. As you know the best Sega CD-RPGs were sadly never available as PAL-versions.
At least in Germany I didn´t see it get very cheap anyway; I only saw the 32X for 40,-DM (20€) here.
There were also the new consoles coming, so people kept their money for those (at least I did) instead of investing into a dead add-on.
The biggest problem was and will always be the limited amount of money one has to spend...
nowadays I wonder how much a US-Genesis with Sega CD costs or if it is possible to play US-CD-Roms on a PAL-machine. Though with my extremely limited income I guess I can´t afford one even today...

@Demonic Weasel
Yeah, it wins a nice silver medal, the SNES wins gold, lol!
But I might be willing to give a Genesis-RPG of your recommendation the chance to convince me. Maybe one whose inner beauty I missed when playing it before.
No Phantasy Star 4, Shining Force or Warsong, because I already admitted their high quality.

[ary incorparated]

@Zebbe
This is what I said:
Considering only official US-releases, no fan-translations I admit both consoles RPG-library could be called equal.
With fan-translations/Sega CD counting, the SNES still wins for me.

@ary incorparated
The difference between the SNES´chips and Sega CD-ROMs is that at least every SNES user could use games with special chips while I only break my CDs trying to plug them in my standard Mega Drive´s cartridge slot.
And I never said Genesis had no good RPGs, just not as many as the SNES.
You stated the SNES was a bit better for RPGs too, didn´t you?

108 stars why did i put the LOL after the sin i didnt mean it serious,but i think the sega cd may be counted with since i have a CDX hehe,and it has popfull mail the best and ways above the others version 3X3 eyes was an RPG or not dunno for shure.

[Zebbe]

You can't play US CD-roms on a PAL Mega CD without an import cart. You don't need a Genesis, just modify the Mega Drive so it has a 50/60 Hz switch, which practically makes it a Genesis in 60 Hz mode.

[Demonic Weasel]

Oh, right then, I'll have to think of a title for you 108 Stars. Anyway, when you say Shining Force does that knock out the whole series? I probably wouldn't choose a Shining game in any event, just checking. And does it have to be a pure RPG? Or do hybrids count?

[ary incorparated]

[QUOTE=Zebbe]You can't play US CD-roms on a PAL Mega CD without an import cart. You don't need a Genesis, just modify the Mega Drive so it has a 50/60 Hz switch, which practically makes it a Genesis in 60 Hz mode.[/QUOTE

yes i already gave it the 60hz mod is tat also doable with sega cdX.i think that thing works really strange and the you have to bypass the bios options,im not going to screw my genesis not my CDX i want to keep it just like it is without any Tumb switches on them or modifiations i screwed enough genesis with the wrong modifications alreadhy but theyre not that expensive,own fault.i just connect my sega cd 1 with import cart cdx doesnt work with the CDX pro converter neither doesn sega cd 2 pal both then.

[108 Stars]

@Demonic Weasel
Well, I already played Shining Force 1 and 2 till the end, and I like them. You just needn´t convince me of those games, and Shining Force CD is pretty much the same from what I have seen. I just thought that there may be a game I gave up on too early or something. And hybrids are alright for me.
And you seem to know quite a deal about RPGs, so I´m open to your recommendations.
Uh, and besides what is ZCRN?

You can't play US CD-roms on a PAL Mega CD without an import cart. You don't need a Genesis, just modify the Mega Drive so it has a 50/60 Hz switch, which practically makes it a Genesis in 60 Hz mode.

So I can use a modded PAL Mega Drive with a US-Sega CD? Aren´t there any problems regarding different power supply in PAL and NTSC-machines?
As for the import cart, how good does it work? The import-cartridges for normal MD-games were a mess, some working better, some worse.