The P4&460 - what features do you guys want them to have?

[OldSchool]

I am retarded. My name is Zoltor.

I said something about this a while back and got nearly executed for blasphemy, but if you want a second opinion, here's this.

I think a crash in the video game market is all but inevitable.

When you combine the current economic downturn to the striking similarities of events and situations in the video game market to those of around 1981-83, (I.E. Everyone trying to do the same thing, massive amounts of low quality games, most consumers being uneducated about quality and the industry in general.) IMHO, you get the ideal environment for a crash to take place.

Remember, this is just an opinion and will likely not happen.

You guys want to lay the blame on two of the biggest Pubs in the Industry.
why? 90% of the Gaming Industrys' problems come from the Console side of things. If you want to start somewhere, start with Sony and Microsoft.

How about blaming the idiotic and beyond ignorant Gamers who keep supporting inane Gaming policies? It's the dumb consumer that's shaping the Gaming Industry.

[Zoltor]

I said something about this a while back and got nearly executed for blasphemy, but if you want a second opinion, here's this.

I think a crash in the video game market is all but inevitable.

When you combine the current economic downturn to the striking similarities of events and situations in the video game market to those of around 1981-83, (I.E. Everyone trying to do the same thing, massive amounts of low quality games, most consumers being uneducated about quality and the industry in general.) IMHO, you get the ideal environment for a crash to take place.

Remember, this is just an opinion and will likely not happen.

Yea I agree, infact if it weren't for companies like ATLUS, Capcom, Kanomi, Nintendo(although their recent games suck pretty bad), NIS, and perhaps a fer others(I cant think of atm), I'm pretty sure we would've had a Video Game crash years ago(around 2004-05 most likely).

[InternalPrimate]

Am I the only one who looked at the title of this thread, smacked my head and just laughed?!

460... that's rich

[Nightwolf]

just make the system no crash, no three red lights, no yellow light.... maybe is time to bring back high reliable systems....

[zyo]

I want the xbox controller to have a d-pad that doesn't suck. I'd like backwards compatibility, especially with the xbox live arcade titles.

[jerry coeurl]

How about: fun games.

Hear, hear. I don't give a shit about specs and tech as long as the games are good. Mind, I probably wouldn't pick up a PS4 or Xbox 720 until the PS5 and Xbox 1080 were coming out anyway. I just recently started collecting PS2 games, due to how cheaply they can be had these days. For the most part, unless I really want it, I don't like to spend more than 20 bucks on any game.

[Pulstar]

I want the xbox controller to have a d-pad that doesn't suck. I'd like backwards compatibility, especially with the xbox live arcade titles.

The dpad issue has been resolved but MS wants people to pay extra for their slip-up. MS is such a corporate bureaucracy that issues like the abysmal dpad and chipset reliability take friggin years to be resolved.

Oldschool intended this topic to be a technical one, not about abstract wishlists. I still believe R&D teams will go with whatever standard they deem mature enough at the time, most likely DirectX12 (or maybe a redefined standard that MS devises to bridge PC and Xbox closer still), and Sony will have to learn to be modest if they wish to stay in the game, draconian business cultures or otherwise. The costs entailed in incorporating a console GPU are significantly different to that of manufacturing standalone videocards: R&D budgets, mass manufacturing deals, marketing (which is calculated as a whole not per component, and is vastly different to selling PC vidcards). Comparisons to current PC chips are almost an exercise in futility.

[doomguy]

Whatever feature would stop his constant console bashing sounds like a good idea. Im not sure its possible to send a chuck Norris with every console though it could drive the prices up, maybe he could just flying Kick OldSchool high into the stratosphere as it sounds like the more affordable option.

[Chilly Willy]

7800 RPM drives weren't used in the PS3 for HEAT reasons. 7800 RPM 2.5" drives get way too hot for a console (at least not without a vacuum cleaner for a fan). I don't expect that to change. Instead, I'd like to see a SSD instead.

Always-on AA would be nice, but always-on vsync is a negative for the good reasons given in the other threads. Instead, make the ability to turn it on or off inside the game mandatory. Then the user can set it the way they like. 1080p video will be the max norm for quite a few years to come, so optimizing things for 1920x1080p would be good.

Any new console should feature at least 4GB of ram... perhaps more. Modern games are written to assume almost infinite ram, and that's a big issue when making ports.

Perhaps instead of a dedicated GPU, use multiple AMD CPU/GPU processors (assuming AMD has them ready in time).

Stick to the STANDARD for controllers. That means USB and BlueTooth. No custom ports for anything! HDMI for video and audio... no custom AV ports.

[ApolloBoy]

Am I the only one who looked at the title of this thread, smacked my head and just laughed?!

460... that's rich

The "P4" caught my eye more than the "460" bit. I almost thought that maybe Intel was putting out a console named after the Pentium 4 or something.

[kool kitty89]

What? The 360 has a single CPU in it doesn't it... and the P3 has an interesting architecture but it isn't any faster than a 3.0 single CPU I don't think. Why are you talking about its load times like it should be able to compete with a modern Gaming PC? Everytime I see you whine about load times on the P3 it makes me want to slap you. FO3 has some hefty load times, but past that, everything else has been normal in relation to the speed of the Hardware the P3 possesses.

Xbox 360 uses the Xenon tri-core CPU using the same PPC core as the single CPU core used in the Cell processor of the PS3.
The Cell only has one Power PC CPU core in it (the PPE) while the rest of the cores are SPE DMA engines. (the SPEs are where the Cell gets its very impressive single precision FPU performance -though double precision drops dramatically into a similar range as the 360's Xenon, but I don't think double precision is very necessary - the FPU performance is where the PS3's physics calculation crunching comes from, the same purpose some PC gamers put dual graphics cards to: physics heavy games on the PS3 can realy show its advantages but the tougher to program architecture also limits that -not anywhere near as bad as the PS2 at least, but that's not saying much)

Maybe you need to own a fast Gaming PC for a little while to see what the differences are between an old outdated Q4 '06 computer and something new.

No reason to really bother with a Q4 for gaming for the vast majority of cases. A fast dual core is fine, but it's finally getting to the point where a quad is a sound investment for upcoming games. If you were looking for the most cost-effective option (for gaming), a fast dual core in a socket commonly used by quads as well and putting more emphasis on the video card would be wise. (if the choice was between a fast dual core and a slower quad core -say 2.8 vs 3 GHz with the same cores- a dual core would definitely be preferable)
If it wasn't for hitting a wall on CPU speeds, single cores would still have considerable advantages in general. (multi-core designs have serious bottlenecks that only get worse as the number of cores go up)

The HD costs need to match PC HD costs... obviously, they're one in the same. Guess what... if NO ONE bought into those inane Console based prices, guess what people, we wouldn't be hearing about it.

Microsoft has gotten away with price gouging HDDs due to the proprietary form factor.

This to me says the next generation of Cosoles will be amazing... that is, unless they try to force Resolutions past 1080P.

Anyone calling themself an Engineer should know better than to program/or even be a part of a 3D game in the last 10 years that doesn't have working V-Sync and AA.

Uh oh... you said engineer... oh, wait 17days was banned....

Anyway, you need to change that 10 years to 15 years (more or less), and it's really only been the current gen that ever saw this problem.

[JBOGames]

Yea I agree, infact if it weren't for companies like ATLUS, Capcom, Kanomi, Nintendo(although their recent games suck pretty bad), NIS, and perhaps a fer others(I cant think of atm), I'm pretty sure we would've had a Video Game crash years ago(around 2004-05 most likely).

Yeah I'm sure the game market was ripe to crash right smack dab in the middle of the highest sales of game consoles ever recorded in history. The era of both the PS2 and the DS.

And Atlus circa 04-05? WTF? What title did they release that even had any significance in the market?

This isn't 1983. People love Cooking Momma. Maybe to a gamer that game is crap, but to the market which has grown way beyond gamers, it is profit. People keep buying Madden games because they like them.. they don't care if it's the same game. Companies are playing to the market. Consumers want crappy games.

The market crashed before because too many companies entered the arena. More hardware was being made than sold. Companies were releasing unfinished games. A video game system was a simple toy that was bought then forgotten about as the next hot toy came along. ETC. Today it is a complete industry, not competing with the likes of "Tickle me Elmo" or "Zuzu Pets" but with Hollywood. If it were to crash it would take a lot more than of a year of bad games. One of the few things that have held strong through this economic downturn is video gaming. More people are getting turned onto gaming then ever, and it is not because of Capcom and Konami. It is because of stuff we call shit, like PopCap games.

[Zoltor]

Yeah I'm sure the game market was ripe to crash right smack dab in the middle of the highest sales of game consoles ever recorded in history. The era of both the PS2 and the DS.

And Atlus circa 04-05? WTF? What title did they release that even had any significance in the market?

This isn't 1983. People love Cooking Momma. Maybe to a gamer that game is crap, but to the market which has grown way beyond gamers, it is profit. People keep buying Madden games because they like them.. they don't care if it's the same game. Companies are playing to the market. Consumers want crappy games.

The market crashed before because too many companies entered the arena. More hardware was being made than sold. Companies were releasing unfinished games. A video game system was a simple toy that was bought then forgotten about as the next hot toy came along. ETC. Today it is a complete industry, not competing with the likes of "Tickle me Elmo" or "Zuzu Pets" but with Hollywood. If it were to crash it would take a lot more than of a year of bad games. One of the few things that have held strong through this economic downturn is video gaming. More people are getting turned onto gaming then ever, and it is not because of Capcom and Konami. It is because of stuff we call shit, like PopCap games.

Wow you are clueless to make such a statement, the only reason people bought a PS2 back then in the first place, is because technically it was just an upgrade from the PS1, and for people that didn't fave a PS1, now they can own a PS1, PS2, plus hell even a DvD player all at the same time(which note was basically forced down peoples throats as is, since out of nowhere, stores stopped selling VHSs, so you basically had to have a DvD player sigh).

Beleive me, noone bought a PS 2 early on, to play PS2 games, lets be real atleast 95% of the PS2 library sucked.

As for ATLUS, they did a lot you don't realize, especially for the PS2 library. Without ATLUS, NIS would've never made it, noone knew of NIS, and the games they release are super nich, and super wierd at the same time. There'san unwritten rule that states, avoid oddball(not to mention silly) games, released by some random smo company that no one ever heard of.

Almost all the PS2 games, that I found worthy to keep(lol and not return it 2-3 days later) are NIS/Nippon games, which I must note that even some of the ones ATLUS didn't fully localize, they still helped NIS in the localization of the games(after you beat a NIS game, watch the credits, you'll see an ATLUS section in certain games).

Yea, while Nippon really wanted to get their foot in the door, they didn't even have all the resources required, so without ATLUS it would've never happened(they would've tried, and failed so bad, that they would have been forced to drop the US market idea).

In short, if people weren't forced to buy a DvD player, and it didn't play PS1 games, the PS 2 would've never sold much. Between Capcom, and NIS, their games alone probally add upto more then 50% of the awesome games on the PS2, that should paint you a picture of the lack of good games being pumped out by most of the companies at the time, plus how big a deal NIS/ATLUS was.


You are a fool, the gaming industry can crash for multiple reasons, bad games is one of the major reasons for this industry to crash. There doesn't need to be a ton of Hardware companies for the industry to crash, only someone truly ignorant would say that unless the currant industry matches all the issues leading up to the 83 crash, it can't crash.

You sound like the morons who ran this country into the ground, with dumb concepts like too big to fail, and that the free market with no regulations will just fix its self.

[Da_Shocker]

Why would they force resolutions past 1080p when they just became avalilable a few years ago. I'm also ready to get rid of loading times but disk based techs such as blu-ray are still tied down to 1970's technology (albeit on roids)

And can we please get VR back on track? That was such a cool technology back in 95 but it was way to advanced for the mid 90's.

[Zoltor]

Why would they force resolutions past 1080p when they just became avalilable a few years ago. I'm also ready to get rid of loading times but disk based techs such as blu-ray are still tied down to 1970's technology (albeit on roids)

And can we please get VR back on track? That was such a cool technology back in 95 but it was way to advanced for the mid 90's.

Yea, that's a really great technology, the advancements were just not there 15 years ago, where now every ounce of technology needed to create VR is used separately by multiple companies/organizations on a regar basis now.