Fallout 3 New Vegas - THKS to all those who beta tested it!

[OldSchool]

Isn't New Vegas technically Fallout 4?

How, it's not a new engine? Maybe a 15 year old would think the 'next' game in the series was automatically a sequel. C'mon dude.... use your head.

Well, it definately could count as such from the sheer size of the game. It is actually bigger than Fallout 3.

But it is still based on the same old engine, so it looks almost identical, and the story is not very exciting.

I think it´s really more like a huge spin-off.

Is it really? I heard the main map was 1/4 smaller than the original game, but that there was over 200 locations from the start. The original FO3 had less than 200 locations without the EXPs right?

I hope that's not the case because I've hugely enjoyed the story of FO3.

You can´t blame the customer for preferring to play on a console instead of a PC. If a developer makes a console version it should and sells it to people it is their duty to make sure the quality is there.

I for one played through Morrowind on the PC back in the day, yet while I like the game it felt uncomfortable and atmosphere-killing; I´d never want to play a game of such scale on PC again. It´s no alternative for me.

They can´t tell you to better play the game this way or that (like for New Vegas: Don´t collect or move objects if you don´t want them).

When a game is sold on a system I can expect it has gone through proper testing and runs stable. This is what Bethesda constantly fails to do. And even worse, they learn about their games being barely playable (F3 GOTY for PS3) and never care to adress the issues, yet keep selling the broken game.

I sure as hell can... and I will continue to do so. The HUGE promise of todays Consoles is "stability"... so when I see games crash on the 360 and PS3, that instantly throws ALL that out the door.

That's weird, imo it has the best atmosphere of any RPG to date, and it also feels like it was made for grown ups, not kids.


The rest of the board is on Earth, which planet are you currently on?









If that were the case, then why do Console games have to be patched?

hahaha, you can't dodge that question, partner

[kokujin]

You can´t blame the customer for preferring to play on a console instead of a PC.

Are you saying you expect the same quality of a PC on a console?

[OldSchool]

Are you saying you expect the same quality of a PC on a console?

No, that's not what I said. Microsoft AND Sony BOTH promised Stability and ease of use/operation with their Consoles at a minimum. It was not only the companies who promised this but the entire CONSOLE Generation (including the Pubs and Devs who make the bloody games) made these same promises... usually while bashing the PC and it's instability in the process.


The software that they allow to be produced and sold for their consoles does NOT meet those requirements most of the time. I'm sure there are a few games that are done well from the get go, but I'm also quite sure that statistics would prove otherwise for the majority of the games ported to these consoles.




The sad truth in all of this is that the only way to get the Devs/Pubs to "shape up" is to chastize the Public about their willingness to support mediocrity via commercials/youtube/radio/etc/etc. Just like a dog who pees on the carpet and has his nose rubbed in it enough times, people would slowly begin to stop supporting mediocrity if they had their noses rubbed in it publicly enough times.

Sad but true... it'll never happen because no one wants to own up to being wrong. For example, there are clowns in this world who if shown Tears or Jaggies will try to say they don't see them, or that they don't bother them. When the customer learns to be honest with himself, only then will he expect better quality products... until then, we're all left with handpicking the best out of a sea of mediocre products.

[108 Stars]

@OldSchool
The map is smaller, true, but it really just holds lot more locations to explore. So there is less wandering the emptiness but more to do.

The story really is a let-down; the whole introduction of Fallout 3 was so good, how your background was told and all. In NV you have no background. You are just some guy with no past seeking revenge and getting in the middle of a conflict by multiple parties, where you have to choose whom to support. No real emotional attachment or anything. Nobody knows you and vice versa.

@kokujin
Of course I do. They have always delivered that. Every generation started with great graphics which then became outdated, but offered great gameplay and stability all through their lifespan.

Why would I care about the PC-version looking a bit better? The console versions of Fallout are not only ports, but ports that don´t even do the hardware justice. It´s not like any Bethesda-game so far has been a great achievement on consoles technically.

But there is the huge benefit of playing on your TV, from your couch or bed, with a good pad in your hand. No sitting at a PC, o looking at a small screen and fiddling with mouse and keyboard; no Windows messages appearing on screen asking you to update this driver or that.

Sure you can nowadays connect your PC to a HDTV, but that´s not the standard; and the basic comfort of the PC is still lacking in comparison, eventhough consoles do their best to get complicated too.

Consoles are just what makes comfortable, easy gaming in your living room possible. And that´s how I want to enjoy my games. I can never play comfortably at a PC, and dive into that world.

And sure as hell I can expect a game that does not freeze every 20 minutes from a developer if he puts it on the shelves. This has nothing to do with hardware-limitations, there is nothging impressive going on in Fallout 3 or NV. That´s a matter of quality assurance, and Bethesda is responsible to deliver a working product.

[kokujin]

@OldSchool
The map is smaller, true, but it really just holds lot more locations to explore. So there is less wandering the emptiness but more to do.

The story really is a let-down; the whole introduction of Fallout 3 was so good, how your background was told and all. In NV you have no background. You are just some guy with no past seeking revenge and getting in the middle of a conflict by multiple parties, where you have to choose whom to support. No real emotional attachment or anything. Nobody knows you and vice versa.

@kokujin
Of course I do. They have always delivered that. Every generation started with great graphics which then became outdated, but offered great gameplay and stability all through their lifespan.

Why would I care about the PC-version looking a bit better? The console versions of Fallout are not only ports, but ports that don´t even do the hardware justice. It´s not like any Bethesda-game so far has been a great achievement on consoles technically.

But there is the huge benefit of playing on your TV, from your couch or bed, with a good pad in your hand. No sitting at a PC, o looking at a small screen and fiddling with mouse and keyboard; no Windows messages appearing on screen asking you to update this driver or that.

Sure you can nowadays connect your PC to a HDTV, but that´s not the standard; and the basic comfort of the PC is still lacking in comparison, eventhough consoles do their best to get complicated too.

Consoles are just what makes comfortable, easy gaming in your living room possible. And that´s how I want to enjoy my games. I can never play comfortably at a PC, and dive into that world.

And sure as hell I can expect a game that does not freeze every 20 minutes from a developer if he puts it on the shelves. This has nothing to do with hardware-limitations, there is nothging impressive going on in Fallout 3 or NV. That´s a matter of quality assurance, and Bethesda is responsible to deliver a working product.

I play my PC games on a HDTV that's wall mounted.When it comes to PC gaming, you get back what you put in.High input, high output.If you don't have the time or the care than consoles are perfect for you, but don't kid yourself, the PC is the ultimate platform.You know the current consoles are not that powerful right?They struggle to do 720p, whether it may look like it or not, these games are hard on the system, especially because it's a sandbox game.

[OldSchool]

@OldSchool
The map is smaller, true, but it really just holds lot more locations to explore. So there is less wandering the emptiness but more to do.

The story really is a let-down; the whole introduction of Fallout 3 was so good, how your background was told and all. In NV you have no background. You are just some guy with no past seeking revenge and getting in the middle of a conflict by multiple parties, where you have to choose whom to support. No real emotional attachment or anything. Nobody knows you and vice versa.

@kokujin
Of course I do. They have always delivered that. Every generation started with great graphics which then became outdated, but offered great gameplay and stability all through their lifespan.

Why would I care about the PC-version looking a bit better? The console versions of Fallout are not only ports, but ports that don´t even do the hardware justice. It´s not like any Bethesda-game so far has been a great achievement on consoles technically.

But there is the huge benefit of playing on your TV, from your couch or bed, with a good pad in your hand. No sitting at a PC, o looking at a small screen and fiddling with mouse and keyboard; no Windows messages appearing on screen asking you to update this driver or that.

Sure you can nowadays connect your PC to a HDTV, but that´s not the standard; and the basic comfort of the PC is still lacking in comparison, eventhough consoles do their best to get complicated too.

Consoles are just what makes comfortable, easy gaming in your living room possible. And that´s how I want to enjoy my games. I can never play comfortably at a PC, and dive into that world.

And sure as hell I can expect a game that does not freeze every 20 minutes from a developer if he puts it on the shelves. This has nothing to do with hardware-limitations, there is nothging impressive going on in Fallout 3 or NV. That´s a matter of quality assurance, and Bethesda is responsible to deliver a working product.

Interesting, thks for the run down... that's what I'd heard before. Too bad the storyline won't be as close to the heart as the original game, but I'm sure I'll get lost in that Vegas world just the same.

I plan on eventually getting a monster PC hooked up in the living room with the HDTV... my PS3&360 will purely be backup for when my PC is on the fritz/etc.

Meh, I disagree with your notion that this is only attainable by going Console. With a properly built PC, stability issues will be no more of a headache than they are on the Consoles.

I play my PC games on a HDTV that's wall mounted.When it comes to PC gaming, you get back what you put in.High input, high output.If you don't have the time or the care than consoles are perfect for you, but don't kid yourself, the PC is the ultimate platform.You know the current consoles are not that powerful right?They struggle to do 720p, whether it may look like it or not, these games are hard on the system, especially because it's a sandbox game.

Solid points... well said!!

[108 Stars]

That´s always the pro for the PC; there is no such thing as "the" PC. It´s capabilities can be huge if you have lots of money (whicchI don´t)

About the consoles power... this is really just a matter of the coding. The PC was the lead platform, which means little optimization. The consoles, especially PS3 are more than powerful enough to run sandbox games. Freaking Morrowind ran on ancient PCs, yet it has as much sandbox content as any of the newer games.

This is really an issue with the coding. No way Xbox 360 and PS3 would have problems with it if it was not for lazy coders. And really great looking games on consoles such as FF XIII, Heavy Rain or RDR show that the systems don´t have to hide from a PC if you can live with 720p; the level of detail and the smoothness is still worthy even of the PC.

If 720p is not good enough for you that´s not enough; but beside that they can hold up very well.

[OldSchool]

That´s always the pro for the PC; there is no such thing as "the" PC. It´s capabilities can be huge if you have lots of money (whicchI don´t)

About the consoles power... this is really just a matter of the coding. The PC was the lead platform, which means little optimization. The consoles, especially PS3 are more than powerful enough to run sandbox games. Freaking Morrowind ran on ancient PCs, yet it has as much sandbox content as any of the newer games.

This is really an issue with the coding. No way Xbox 360 and PS3 would have problems with it if it was not for lazy coders. And really great looking games on consoles such as FF XIII, Heavy Rain or RDR show that the systems don´t have to hide from a PC if you can live with 720p; the level of detail and the smoothness is still worthy even of the PC.

If 720p is not good enough for you that´s not enough; but beside that they can hold up very well.

That's so funny you mention money... here I am trying to find an HDTV 'worthy' of using for gaming and it's most likely going to cost me $2-3K. Shit, if I want one of the newer true 240hz models... ha, I'm now bumped up to the 4k range.

Do you have any idea what kind of PC I could build for that money... of course you do.


Oh yeah, definitely! It's not that the coders are necessarily lazy... I tend to lead toward the belief that it has to do with lack of education and general stupidity with this generation of Coders. Honestly, how many 'true' Coders exist anymore? How many companies make their own engines... and out of those companies how many of those engines are actually worth a shit?

The cold fact of the matter is that todays "game programmers" are 3/4 made up of (what imo I like to call) Modders and know howers of general software. Most of these guys aren't programming shit from scratch... they're simply modding something that was created by a handful of number crunching oriented Coder mentalities.

Another MAJOR point: if the idiots of today would QUIT asking for such inane resolutions, the games would come out looking better with better framerates and most likely more quality post processing efx, ala LOCKED V-sync (none of this pansy BS variable garbage), REAL MSAA, not this fucking useless quincunxx BSaa.... but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... people want resolutions of freaking


5000x4000 or else the graphics aren't there, meh...




(I know I'm rambling/ranting and not being too constructive....)

[kokujin]

And really great looking games on consoles such as FF XIII, Heavy Rain or RDR show that the systems don´t have to hide from a PC if you can live with 720p; the level of detail and the smoothness is still worthy even of the PC.

If 720p is not good enough for you that´s not enough; but beside that they can hold up very well.

It isn't worthy of PCs.720p with low res textures and 30 FPS is garbage.There's only one console game that's impressive, and that's Uncharted 2.They have a good team and have gotten great results from the hardware they have.If they just spent there time on a platform without joke restrictions, they could probably make the best looking game ever.

[OldSchool]

It isn't worthy of PCs.720p with low res textures and 30 FPS is garbage.There's only one console game that's impressive, and that's Uncharted 2.They have a good team and have gotten great results from the hardware they have.If they just spent there time on a platform without joke restrictions, they could probably make the best looking game ever.

Dude, you're really starting to grate on me today...
Are you freaking serious?


I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and let you come back and rectify your silly post.

[108 Stars]

The games I mentioned are definately up to PC-standards. Just because I don´t own a high end machine does not mean I don´t know such PCs´ visuals, and yes, these games (just like Uncharted 2) all hold up very well.

[kokujin]

Dude, you're really starting to grate on me today...
Are you freaking serious?


I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and let you come back and rectify your silly post.

The game is impressive considering what they had to work with, they are very talented, I just wish they would work on a better platform(PC).

[108 Stars]

lol, we will NEVER agree on this matter.^^

It´s the same debate made through all console/computer generations and will never stop.

[Phosis]

\There's only one console game that's impressive, and that's Uncharted 2.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[kokujin]

What the fuck are you talking about?

You don't think it looks impressive?