RUMOR: called PSP2 specs leaked...

[Pulstar]

Boy Nintendo sure does no how to sucker you some of you guys on here. With there 3DS which is about as powerful as the 7 year old PSP. But OH NOEZ it supports 3D graphix w/o glassees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious? The DS was the first Ninty machine I Ever got, and I absolutely loved it. I detest fanboys as much as the next guy but give Ninty props for defying the norms. The PSP2 has some nifty features but Sony is insistent on making portable consoles that seem to only work well in Japan, thanks to domestic franchises.

And this is a reminder that I'm not terribly excited about the 3DS either.

[kokujin]

Nope, that's not true, look at the capeabilities of the N64, and then look at the PS1. I would love to see the N64 just try to make Legend of Dragoon, FF7, 8, 9, hell even just having "clean" graphics like FFT(there's basically no CGI or anything) seems well beyond the N64 capeabilities.

The N64 was more powerful than the PSX, there's no discussion, it's fact.Some 64 games looked as good as some PC titles at the time.

[Zoltor]

The N64 was more powerful than the PSX, there's no discussion, it's fact.Some 64 games looked as good as some PC titles at the time.

I'm sure you believe everything that a company may tell you, do you believe the Jag was 64 bit too lol. There is nothing at all in the N64 library that would indicate that the N64 was even "as" powerful as the PS1, let alone more powerful.

PS. I'm done with this stupid debate, as I'm not a graphics whore anyway, so I could care less, but like I pointed out, you could never have such games on the N64=end of story.

[kokujin]

I'm sure you believe everything that a company may tell you, do you believe the Jag was 64 bit too lol. There is nothing at all in the N64 library that would indicate that the N64 was even "as" powerful as the PS1, let alone more powerful.

PS. I'm done with this stupid debate, as I'm not a graphics whore anyway, so I could care less, but like I pointed out, you could never have such games on the N64=end of story.

The PS1 couldn't even dream of doing this game.It is not just numbers, the 64 was more powerful.

[InternalPrimate]

N64 is usually bashed for having ugly textures and memory constraints, but there's certain things on it impossible on the PS1. Technically it's the more powerful console, although they both have their strengths and weaknesses which always made them comparable to me.

Kind of like how the PS2 was inferior to the xbox in graphical ability. At the end of the day it wasn't significant enough to really make a difference.

Zoltor's whole "that's what I believe and I'm done with this argument!" is pretty immature though. If you stick around you might learn something every once in a while.

[Zoltor]

N64 is usually bashed for having ugly textures and memory constraints, but there's certain things on it impossible on the PS1. Technically it's the more powerful console, although they both have their strengths and weaknesses which always made them comparable to me.

Kind of like how the PS2 was inferior to the xbox in graphical ability. At the end of the day it wasn't significant enough to really make a difference.

Zoltor's whole "that's what I believe and I'm done with this argument!" is pretty immature though. If you stick around you might learn something every once in a while.

What's immature about not wanting to go back, and forth arguing, I made my points, listed stuff to back it up, what else is there to stay around for, when all the other person kept saying is N64 was more powerful?

[Kogen]

N64 is more powerful because it has 64 bits. Bits = undisputed power.

[Jasper061992]

Nope, It's atleast as powerful as the PS1(you haven't played many DS games, have you).

I played DS games. And the texture quality in it's games exceeds that of the PS1 AND N64 despite it lacking any texture filtering ala PS1 & Saturn, with the 64 being the worst in texture resolution. I mean come on, the the textures on that was a putrid vomit mess on most of it's games when you think about it. (Quake N64 for example). Heck, It even had less peak polygon performance to spare compared to the PS1 simply due to all the effects being rendered on screen to make up for the blurry textures.

So I think he is right, it is more around in the ballpark of the N64 in terms of performance at least, but IMO, trumps both in graphics overall. Moreover, when you factor in more stable and more consistent framerates in average games in DS and even, to a slightly lesser extent, the PS1 compared to average N64 games that were lucky to even reach 25-30fps, I say the DS is a more well rounded designed console from a hardware point of view compared to the former two consoles.

I'm not really sure where the original poster is reading about a Quad core graphic chip, and why they are so impressed by that. I remember the old 8800GTX used to have a 180 core graphic chip. I'm sure the newer graphic cards are even greater.

The GPU variant used in the PSP2 is a 'PowerVR SGX5 43MP4+' The 'MP4' simply implying it is a quad core variant. There is also an MP8 version, implying that is an 8 core version.

I do not mean 'home brew' consoles. I enjoy new games and systems that will actually get supported. That device looks cheap.

Oh, excuse me. Here you go. Should do the trick.




And why or why did this thread devolve into an N64 vs PS1 comparison again?

[Zoltor]

N64 is more powerful because it has 64 bits. Bits = undisputed power.

but, but , but what about Blast Processing lol, wouldn't the genny beat all?

[kokujin]

What's immature about not wanting to go back, and forth arguing, I made my points, listed stuff to back it up, what else is there to stay around for, when all the other person kept saying is N64 was more powerful?

You actually didn't make any scientific statements, and conversations are very mature, being able to hold a real discussion separates us from children.If you're talking about in sense of hardware the 64 was more powerful.There is no debating that.The console on the other hand was hard to develope for, but when a devloper did make a good looking gmae on it, it was far beyond the PS1, just look at



PSone-

CPU: 32-bit RISC (33.9MHz)
RAM: 2MB, 1MB Video RAM
Graphics: 3D Geometry Engine, with 2D rotation, scaling, transparency and fading and 3D texture mapping and shading
Colors: 16.7 million
Sprites: 4,000
Polygons: 360,000 per second
Resolution: 640x480
Sound: 16-bit 24 channel PCM

n64 -
CPU: 64-bit R4300i RISC (93.75MHz) / 64-bit data paths, registers with 5-stage pipelining
Co-processor: 64-bit RISC (62.5MHz)
RAM: 4MB (36Mb) upgradeable
Graphics: Pixel Drawing Processor (RDP) built into co-processor
Colors: 16.7 million (32,000 on screen)
Polygons: 150,000 per second
Resolution: 640x480 pixels
Sound: 16 to 24-channel 16-bit stereo (up to 100 PCM channels possible)

And why or why did this thread devolve into an N64 vs PS1 comparison again?

It's not, I was just telling him the 64 was technically more powerful than the PS1.

[Jasper061992]

It's not, I was just telling him the 64 was technically more powerful than the PS1.

While it is technically more powerful than the PS1, in reality, it really is a crippled system with severe bottlenecks that shouldn't really exist.

[InternalPrimate]

While it is technically more powerful than the PS1, in reality, it really is a crippled system with severe bottlenecks that shouldn't really exist.

Which leads to my point: N64 and PS1 are very similar. And although the DS is more well-rounded and such, it's roughly comparable to those two. My whole point was that the DS was a generation behind the PSP in terms of graphical quality, and it didn't matter one bit because of the innovative games.

[Jasper061992]

Which leads to my point: N64 and PS1 are very similar. And although the DS is more well-rounded and such, it's roughly comparable to those two. My whole point was that the DS was a generation behind the PSP in terms of graphical quality, and it didn't matter one bit because of the innovative games.

Which reminds me, I need to start buying some more DS games again.

[Zoltor]

Which reminds me, I need to start buying some more DS games again.

What genres do you like?

[The Jackal]

Nope, It's atleast as powerful as the PS1(you haven't played many DS games, have you).

Yeah, besides Nintendodogs and someother shit my family brought, I haven't really played any DS games.