Top 100 Sega Genesis Games

[StarMist]

That wouldn't prove anything though, saying the graphics are awesome doesn't automatically mean the game doesn't have any other excellent qualities, and the average gamer on here never lays out a concise recommendation anyway, 90% of the comments for any game essentially end up being something along the lines of "THIS IS AWESOME" or "I LOVE THIS GAME", most aren't going to give you any more than that.

It does prove something if the majority of the specific comments are about graphics or fx or system capabilities ("let's see the SNES do that"). DH would be a balanced exm, something about the gameplay and challenge is normally part of the praise along with the graphics. AB&R would be an imbalanced exm, as it's usually something like "the graphics and fx and music are amazing! I just wish it wasn't so hard/repetitive (or the levels weren't so long--or they took out the shmup level)".

I like Alien Soldier because it has excellent controls, allowing you to stay stationary in mid air with a double press, skid through bullets without taking damage, stand on the ceiling, walk one direction whilst firing another, change to a stationary stance etc. It requires skill, its rewarding to learn, the pacing is fast, its exhilarating, the graphics and music are excellent, and lastly the set-pieces are memorable and exciting.

No doubt. Neither would I suggest you, Zebbe, or even Thunderblaze16 are graphics whores. Then again AS is a wholly different animal from the MD's other R&Gs (Mercs or ESWAT require more skill than CHC, GSH, and DH). It's like comparing Radiant Silvergun to Fire Shark. And were a shmup proponent to claim he loves shmups because they're complex, challenging, and rewarding of mastery, only then to name Fire Shark as an example, your eyes might roll out of their sockets.

This really makes me wonder what your top 100 Amiga games would look like, whether you would go with completely different shmups than me and Kamahl for instance, maybe the tougher, more memory intensive games, or would you out and out hate everything

Odd statement this. Damn I need an Amiga. My list would definitely be all over the place and I would definitely not hate everything.

You (StarMist, in this case) expect to post a controversial list like that and not draw (negative) attention?

Nope. One thing an incomplete list does is raise the question whether they're viable for composing a forum poll's top 100. Because if they're not no honest/trustworthy top 100 poll will ever come about, there are too many members who truly don't have/know a top 100 but only know of some 100 games and thus will simply list all the games they've ever played that weren't outright awful. Sure a lot of your games will make that list, but then a lot won't as not everybody will have played older games with smaller runs (MUSHA), little marketing (TF IV), or prominent PAL games with much less US spotlight (Puggsy perhaps).

Except that he didn't list 100 games. He could've at least put those other games at the bottom of the list.

As I've explained twice, I might as well have put in any of about 100 games into those last 30 spaces. That would make games 80-100 interchangeable with games 101-180, which would mean the top 100 list was no longer about the top games. In the event of a tossup I chose to go with neither. TF IV or Gleylancer? Neither. Shining Force II or Might and Magic III? Neither. Marginal games don't get promoted just because they have super shiny special effects = no Headdy, no Gunstar, no Hard Corps.
But you and Christuserloeser are perfectly welcome to make your own Top 100 Sega Genesis Games Everybody Must Love Or They're A Commie List. It can be your wedding vows.

[Barone]

You (StarMist, in this case) expect to post a controversial list like that and not draw (negative) attention?
Lol. If you can't take criticism, don't post. Luckily, he takes my "bullying" pretty well. Unlike you, and it was never directed to you, but you seem to think you're the forum police or something.

Some people may use criteria different from yours to build a top 100 games list, I think. And a narrow view can make things look a lot more controversial than they actually are...

The police usually likes to tell people how they should do their own stuff, just like you did with StarMist and his list.

[Olls]

Marginal games don't get promoted just because they have super shiny special effects = no Headdy, no Gunstar, no Hard Corps.

You're not attracted to graphics, we get that (not that one excludes the other).
By what criteria do you judge your games? There are games on your list that don't rank too highly in the gameplay department either (Chakan, for example).

[StarMist]

You're not attracted to graphics, we get that (not that one excludes the other).

I do care about graphics/visuals, just not about them as an expression of programming address or console prowess. Rapid Reload wouldn't get any extra bump up in my mind were it a MD game instead of the humble PS game it is.

By what criteria do you judge your games? There are games on your list that don't rank too highly in the gameplay department either (Chakan, for example).

My own personal enjoyment.

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What compose that are generally atmosphere/style and gameplay.
Chakan fares better in the former than the latter category. Its gameplay is good enough though and should be judged from the adventure sidescroller angle rather than from the angle of a ninja or kin action game as it tends to be (much like TMNT on NES), almost like Faxanadu w/o saves. There are a few sections in the Elemental plane that don't seem playtested but some make it easier rather than harder. Btw lots of Sega games don't seem fully playtested, even Sonic with that pit spike glitch. It's just a hazard of their large output.
For what it's worth Castle of Illusion did nothing special apart from putting Mickey Mouse on the Mega Drive. I see there an extreme case of atmosphere over gameplay, as in people loving it for Disney's sake rather than gameplay's.
Comix Zone can piss me off that I take damage for nearly every action but like Chakan it's an outstanding translation of a foreign medium into video games.
Eternal Champions certainly does play roughly but that roughness is part of its uniqueness. All the smooth playing MD fighters are obsolete, not outmoded but strictly obsolete in that I can play better ports or only slightly later versions on the PS, PS2, Xbox, etc. Were there a huge gap between SFCE, Power Instinct, Fatal Fury II, etc and their next instalments the old MD games would have some worth, but there either isn't or, in SFCE's case I can get a better port. On that head I really dislike ECCD.

Also I prefer stages to boss fights. Both are good together but if it's only one I'll take stages over bosses any day. Hence my preference for just about every other Contra over HC. This holds true for RPGs as well.

[Olls]

Some people may use criteria different from yours to build a top 100 games list, I think. And a narrow view can make things look a lot more controversial than they actually are...

The police usually likes to tell people how they should do their own stuff, just like you did with StarMist and his list.

You're reading into it too much. I'm actually genuinely interested in why he chose the games he did.
Why always so offended? Don't even answer that as I want to discuss things on-topic, not derail threads with you.

I do care about graphics/visuals, just not about them as an expression of programming address or console prowess. Rapid Reload wouldn't get any extra bump up in my mind were it a MD game instead of the humble PS game it is.
My own personal enjoyment.

----------------------------------------------LONG PAUSE whilst Olls digests this abstruse concept.

What compose that are generally atmosphere/style and gameplay.
Chakan fares better in the former than the latter category. Its gameplay is good enough though and should be judged from the adventure sidescroller angle rather than from the angle of a ninja or kin action game as it tends to be (much like TMNT on NES), almost like Faxanadu w/o saves. There are a few sections in the Elemental plane that don't seem playtested but some make it easier rather than harder. Btw lots of Sega games don't seem fully playtested, even Sonic with that pit spike glitch. It's just a hazard of their large output.
For what it's worth Castle of Illusion did nothing special apart from putting Mickey Mouse on the Mega Drive. I see there an extreme case of atmosphere over gameplay, as in people loving it for Disney's sake rather than gameplay's.
Comix Zone can piss me off that I take damage for nearly every action but like Chakan it's an outstanding translation of a foreign medium into video games.
Eternal Champions certainly does play roughly but that roughness is part of its uniqueness. All the smooth playing MD fighters are obsolete, not outmoded but strictly obsolete in that I can play better ports or only slightly later versions on the PS, PS2, Xbox, etc. Were there a huge gap between SFCE, Power Instinct, Fatal Fury II, etc and their next instalments the old MD games would have some worth, but there either isn't or, in SFCE's case I can get a better port. On that head I really dislike ECCD.

Also I prefer stages to boss fights. Both are good together but if it's only one I'll take stages over bosses any day. Hence my preference for just about every other Contra over HC. This holds true for RPGs as well.

[Barone]

You're reading into it too much. I'm actually genuinely interested in why he chose the games he did.
Why always so offended? Don't even answer that as I want to discuss things on-topic, not derail threads with you.

Sure...

[QuickSciFi]

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P.S.S.> Seriously, though. List them all at your leisure . I thought it'd be fun to simply think-up off the top of your head about 100 titles and just list them as you go. I'm sure you'll only think of the games that are most relevant, so most of them are bound to be awesome anyways.

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[brainerdrainer]

nice lists. I need to check some of these out