Quantcast

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16

Thread: Region modded Megadrive black and white through RF AND Composite

  1. #1
    Nameless One
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    13

    Default Region modded Megadrive black and white through RF AND Composite

    According to what I've read, the composite takes its sync from the chip (can't remember which one) rather than the 50/60hz timer, and that's what makes it black and white. But I've read that RF should actually be displaying in colour at 60hz, and that's black and white too.

    What's the simplest way to mod the video sync to match with 60mhz mode? If it's a permanent change, that's fine, I intend to stick with 60Hz.

  2. #2
    Master of Shinobi playgen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,216
    Rep Power
    24

    Default

    Use an RGB scart cable and you will get a colour image in 60hz.

  3. #3
    Nameless One
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by playgen View Post
    Use an RGB scart cable and you will get a colour image in 60hz.
    That's an option, but I've really been enjoying tinkering, so if there's a mod which isn't over-complex and doesn't cost more than about £8 (the cost of a scart cable) I'd like to give that a go.

  4. #4
    Creator of the Mega Amp Raging in the Streets Ace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Montreal, QC, Canada
    Age
    33
    Posts
    3,737
    Rep Power
    47

    Default

    You would need to build a small circuit using a 2-pin crystal. a 15Kohm resistor and 2 ceramic capacitors, one of 30pF, the other of 50pF. I assume you've region-modded a European MegaDrive if the video is in black and white when outputting NTSC video? In that case, you'd need a 3.579545MHz crystal.

    What you have to do is desolder pin 6 of the video encoder off of the motherboard. You have to solder one end of the crystal to pin 5 of the encoder, then solder the other end to a switch. Here's the datasheet for the Sony CXA1145: http://www.alldatasheet.com/datashee.../CXA1145M.html

    Page 11 shows you how the CXA1145 should be hooked up in both a PAL and NTSC system(you'd need to look at NTSC in your case). But instead of hooking up one end of the crystal to pin 6, hook it up to an SPDT switch so you can switch back and forth between the PAL and NTSC color subcarrier frequencies.

    You can't use this method on a Fujitsu MB3514, however, as it only has an input for a crystal. The CXA1145 has both an input and an output, so this circuit will work.
    HATES ATGAMES WITH A PASSION


    Mega Amp: An all-new audio circuit for your Sega Genesis/MegaDrive and clones.

    Note: If you want to contact me on Skype, identify yourself or your contact request will be rejected.

  5. #5
    Master of Shinobi ooXxXoo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Here, There & Everywhere
    Age
    43
    Posts
    1,097
    Rep Power
    26

    Default

    Also, you can have both 50 & 60Hz in color (with a compatible tv) with a proper switch ....
    φΨήœ μΞΠΰ §ïøε ψώ♪

  6. #6
    Nameless One
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    Thanks - you're referring to this, right? http://zipplet.co.uk/index.php/conte...ronics_mdpal60 I think that might be biting off more than I can chew...

  7. #7
    Creator of the Mega Amp Raging in the Streets Ace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Montreal, QC, Canada
    Age
    33
    Posts
    3,737
    Rep Power
    47

    Default

    That's exactly what I'm referring to, but replace the 4.433619MHz crystal with a 3.579545MHz crystal. Since 60Hz is NTSC video, the proper NTSC color subcarrier frequency should be supplied to the video encoder. You might be able to get away with a PAL color subcarrier frequency and an NTSC video signal, but I doubt it.
    HATES ATGAMES WITH A PASSION


    Mega Amp: An all-new audio circuit for your Sega Genesis/MegaDrive and clones.

    Note: If you want to contact me on Skype, identify yourself or your contact request will be rejected.

  8. #8
    Outrunner
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Azeitão - PT
    Age
    36
    Posts
    723
    Rep Power
    18

    Default

    I did a mod similar to this to Oerg, however I used a divide-by-12 circuit to divide the master clock for PAL, irrelevant of whatever region the MD is set to. PAL / "NTSC 4.43MHz"

    This is actually what the 32x does when it's region modded, because the crystal is fixed. And yep I get color, but some TVs could reject it, I don't know...

  9. #9
    Sports Talker
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Point Cook, Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    47
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    http://www.retro-otaku.com/2010/07/p...e-and-s-video/
    Easy done just using a crystal oscillator. Just need to cut a track to and feed in the new signal. All screen will be displayed in colour.

  10. #10
    Nameless One
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamejay View Post
    http://www.retro-otaku.com/2010/07/p...e-and-s-video/
    Easy done just using a crystal oscillator. Just need to cut a track to and feed in the new signal. All screen will be displayed in colour.
    Perfect! Cheers

  11. #11
    Outrunner
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Azeitão - PT
    Age
    36
    Posts
    723
    Rep Power
    18

    Default

    That oscillator may be hard to find..

  12. #12
    Sports Talker
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Point Cook, Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    47
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    I found one locally in my Melbourne, Australia. I am sure you can find them everywhere if you look.

  13. #13
    Nameless One
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    They are proving REALLY hard to find.

  14. #14
    Wildside Expert fr@ser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    NEWCASTLE -UK
    Age
    43
    Posts
    124
    Rep Power
    18

    Default

    Couldn't you just use a pic16f630 and set it's internal osc ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster-www.sega-16.com

    The PSP GO is the biggest video game fuck up of the past decade!

    'Why' would anybody want to pay $250 for "Digital Distribution Only" with no access to the established library of a 5 year old platform?

    It isn't backward compatible with it's own AV cables, power chargers, memory card standard, or UMD library. It only uses a proprietary USB cable for no explained reason. It doesn't even have 802.11g support, it's only 802.11b!

  15. #15
    Outrunner
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Azeitão - PT
    Age
    36
    Posts
    723
    Rep Power
    18

    Default

    The internal PIC oscillator is a low precision RC-type and runs at 4 or 8 MHz, IIRC depending on model, so its totally unsuitable for PAL/NTSC things...

    However any PIC can be used to make a crystal oscillate. But you also need a programmer to burn the empty binary + configuration bits (where the oscillator configs are stored, among other things). This is totally unnecessary, its way easier/cheaper to use a 74HC04 inverter

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •