Anime Girls Appreciation Thread.

[108 Stars]

You think so? I think it qualifies as actual art. Much unlike these drawings that look like they were made by kids.

I think it´s the exact opposite. While manga is an important part of the art form comic book, these Vallejo paintings (and many others in the style) are representative of pulp trash; the kind of "art" used for the covers of cheap fantasy novels.

I may be biased being more of a comic artist myself, but generally I see the Vallejo style as very low-quality art. I am glad this kind of artwork has since almost disappeared from video game covers at least. Each to his own though.

[eddiespruce]

that's 1986's GALL FORCE, if i am remembering things correctly?

Right. Got it on Laserdisc. I always liked Kenichi Sonoda's art style.

[Olls]

I think it´s the exact opposite. While manga is an important part of the art form comic book, these Vallejo paintings (and many others in the style) are representative of pulp trash; the kind of "art" used for the covers of cheap fantasy novels.

I may be biased being more of a comic artist myself, but generally I see the Vallejo style as very low-quality art. I am glad this kind of artwork has since almost disappeared from video game covers at least. Each to his own though.

I've heard this before and it makes me wonder what exactly it is that qualifies Vallejo paintings as low-quality art. There are a lot less people that have the skill level required to make these, as opposed to drawing generic manga.

[Thenewguy]

While manga is an important part of the art form comic book, these Vallejo paintings (and many others in the style) are representative of pulp trash; the kind of "art" used for the covers of cheap fantasy novels.

I may be biased being more of a comic artist myself, but generally I see the Vallejo style as very low-quality art.

I tend to disagree with this, anime/Manga artwork is pretty much the definition of low quality, pulp artwork, streamlined for fast production, and production line style efficiency, its strength is that it can be very stylistic, and evocative, I don't know how to explain it, but Anime does well at putting forth the condensed essence of an emotion, or expression.

Realistically Vallejo's paintings probably took months of hard work, far greater the amount of time that any of the Manga pictures posted here took (a lot of them even look like they've been done with computers), Manga has very little focus on shading, skin tones, or even facial definition, the main reason why all these wacky hair colours took off in anime is because with stories that relied on a huge cast of characters, it was often too difficult to discern between each person in the cast.

Manga has to be low quality because of the nature of the medium, and industry in Japan, with writers often doing both the writing, and the artwork, and having to produce 6 or more pages a week on their own.

[Kamahl]

Manga

[Olls]

Still low quality compared to Vallejo's oil paintings. You don't have to be an artist to know that.

[Kamahl]

Vallejo's paintings are boring.

[Olls]

Undeveloped taste.[/art snob]

[Thunderblaze16]

I'm surprise no one showed a pic of these 2 by now,

[Kamahl]

Undeveloped taste.[/art snob]

You might say that but I find the balance of detail and form in high quality manga to be far more interesting than the almost unrealistic amounts of shading on an otherwise simple drawing shown on his artwork.
That's not to say that what he does takes less talent, it takes more, the problem is that like avant-garde metal it's just ends up being boring.

[108 Stars]

Still low quality compared to Vallejo's oil paintings. You don't have to be an artist to know that.

Well, no... it´s too subjective a discussion to do here at legth, but a page like the one shown, while not taking nearly as much time for the technical process, is still superior to anything Vallejo does. What Kamahl describes as "boring" is part of that reason. Such artwork is highly unoriginal, i suffers from weak composition, there is no "life" in them. Never could he do a scene that seems to be in motion, that is dynamic.

His talent allows only for trying to reach realism; his paintings are made to look near photographic. But that is not usually considered so much as good art as the competence in using his paint and brush. It always reminds me of the Nazis´ idea of art; it is today looked down on, because the "realism like a photograph" was what was understood as great art in a society like that.

It is sadly an old stigma that comic-art is a lesser form of art. Doing a great comic page is very challenging, even if you don´t have to use a ton of gradients. Getting a good flow, the play with perspectives, and feelings of both speed and sometimes slowness done right takes years of learning.
And actually, the japanese are extremely good at it. They breed their artists like in factories it seems sometimes, but the works of the good ones are far beyond the standards of the average US or european comic artist.

Personally I never got one of my works published yet; but I do know quite a bit about the topic, and in artist´s circles of people way more successful and knowledgable than myself comics and japanese mangas are actually often in high regard. They attract pros and the general public on different levels, while stuff like Vallejo´s is to my experience not very popular around the people who know art. In the end there is more to it than technical execution.

[Thenewguy]

Berzerk is one of the most heavily western influenced Manga's out there, the whole artwork style is closer to western comic books than Japanese.

On top of that when you take into account how ridiculously late it always is its hardly surprising that it stands out so much in comparison to most of the other Manga pictures on here, which tend to run on a quick deadline.

[Kamahl]

Berzerk is one of the most heavily western influenced Manga's out there, the whole artwork style is closer to western comic books than Japanese.

On top of that when you take into account how ridiculously late it always is its hardly surprising that it stands out so much in comparison to most of the other Manga pictures on here, which tend to run on a quick deadline.

Vinland Saga (one of my favorite mangas, first picture) comes out every month, the artwork is on Berzerk's level except there are fewer ultra detailed shots. Most monthly mangas don't even come close to it in art quality. That's talent.
EDIT: After a little googling it seems that it originally was a weekly manga... damn that's even more impressive, there's an obvious increase in quality but we're still talking really high quality artwork.

[Tasuke]

I've heard this before and it makes me wonder what exactly it is that qualifies Vallejo paintings as low-quality art. There are a lot less people that have the skill level required to make these, as opposed to drawing generic manga.

i agree that that Vallejo painting is of very high technical quality. regardless it is NOT "better" than Anime art, NOR is Anime art "better" than Boris Vallejo paintings.

these are simply two different styles of graphic artwork,. both have their admirers, both have their detractors, and the both surely happen to have a fair share
of those that appreciate both mutually for what they are. Beauty, as always, is quite subjective, and is very much in the eye of the beholder...

[Olls]

I did not deny that, but you do admit that making these paintings takes a lot more work and skill, which equals high quality and not low as previously stated.
What people prefer is their business.