Fatal Fury 1 ... Mega/Sega version vs. SNES version

[Clessy]

I actually don't like the extreme sharpness a LCD tv gives me. A lot of tv programs are not HD yet, i play a LOT of retrogames which look terrible on HD LCD screens and i think DVD's look perfectly fine, so i don't bother buying one. I have 3 CRT televisions at home, 2 of which are 28 inch and one 14 inch, they suit me perfectly and they give a perfectly sharp image but when they are all dead and buried i think i will have to buy a HD LCD screen or maybe a plasma screen. I do know that i want to know exactly which tv does Composite and analog signals best.

But i will hang on to CRT as long as i can. just a personal preference i guess.

28" tv is consider so small now that people wouldnt even say thats big enough for the bathroom. 32" is the smallest they make tvs everything else is just monitors. a 42" plasma is like $400 now. Theres also a reason people can barely give away crt's. They're tiny heavy and offer almost no advantage anymore. Most combing filters in plasma now make the picture quality on retro systems better than they'd on a crt over composite anyways.

[DanceroftheShadows]

42 is as small as I would go. I have a 42 in my bedroom LCD of course. (i got it in 2008 before LED was cheap).

Plasma is GARBAGE, a plasma tv wont live to see your kids, even if you already got a girl pregnant. They burn in still images, horrible for gaming. Of course if your blind and need eye surgery then plasma will look like LED so it wont matter (untill you get burn in screen)

[tomaitheous]

Most combing filters in plasma now make the picture quality on retro systems better [citation needed] than they'd on a crt over composite anyways.

It's all rather subjective. Or rather, it's just conditioning. Personally, you can't beat a good SDTV CRT set with any Plasma or LCD or even high res HD CRT set for retro game systems. Not saying it can't look decent, but that's not the same thing. No beautiful analog filtering and low res dot pitch mask and scanlines gaps and all the other analog goodies. Even the beam on the scanline itself, has hit beautiful vertical fade on the top and bottom edges. It's super slight, but it means the scanline isn't perfectly square and flat like on a LCD or even RGB monitor. That said I'd never play a newer gen system on an old CRT, starting with the PS2 era.

I've read that most digital displays have a hard time with the Genesis composite output. There's no alternating chroma dot pattern (like snes/tg16,etc), so it's harder to pull detail out of the signal.

I actually don't like the extreme sharpness a LCD tv gives me.

Funny, 'cause a lot of the LCD tvs nowadays have filter overload. It's all about 'smoothness'. Both 2D and now temporal. I dislike both, but especially hate the temporal motion expanding filters. I turned it off on my brothers TV when he wasn't looking

I also completely agree with how bad unfiltered pixels look on a large display (50+). My HD set particularly has an incredible composite and svideo decoder. The pixels are incredibly squared like it was being from a superior signal. That said, it makes my Saturn games look like ass. No good. The lack of scanlines makes me sad too. I have a 53" HD Hitachi CRT (biggest RP CRTs they made). For playing 4:3 retro stuff, it's equivalent to having a 70" wide screen with lettering boxing on the size. So you can imagine, the pixels for old systems are LARGE.

[Clessy]

42 is as small as I would go. I have a 42 in my bedroom LCD of course. (i got it in 2008 before LED was cheap).

Plasma is GARBAGE, a plasma tv wont live to see your kids, even if you already got a girl pregnant. They burn in still images, horrible for gaming. Of course if your blind and need eye surgery then plasma will look like LED so it wont matter (untill you get burn in screen)

You're insane. Go read some reviews. All the highest rated top tier tvs are Plasma. Pioneer Elites are only Plasma and was rated the best tv every year the made one. Plasma beat LCD in color, blacks and viewing angle. New tvs ddont burn in only older ones do. They also make plasma as thin as LED back light tv. A true Oled tv is best but the largest one made for comerical use right now is 17". LCD is shit.

[Barone]

It's all rather subjective. Or rather, it's just conditioning. Personally, you can't beat a good SDTV CRT set with any Plasma or LCD or even high res HD CRT set for retro game systems. Not saying it can't look decent, but that's not the same thing. No beautiful analog filtering and low res dot pitch mask and scanlines gaps and all the other analog goodies. Even the beam on the scanline itself, has hit beautiful vertical fade on the top and bottom edges. It's super slight, but it means the scanline isn't perfectly square and flat like on a LCD or even RGB monitor. That said I'd never play a newer gen system on an old CRT, starting with the PS2 era.

I've read that most digital displays have a hard time with the Genesis composite output. There's no alternating chroma dot pattern (like snes/tg16,etc), so it's harder to pull detail out of the signal.



Funny, 'cause a lot of the LCD tvs nowadays have filter overload. It's all about 'smoothness'. Both 2D and now temporal. I dislike both, but especially hate the temporal motion expanding filters. I turned it off on my brothers TV when he wasn't looking

I also completely agree with how bad unfiltered pixels look on a large display (50+). My HD set particularly has an incredible composite and svideo decoder. The pixels are incredibly squared like it was being from a superior signal. That said, it makes my Saturn games look like ass. No good. The lack of scanlines makes me sad too. I have a 53" HD Hitachi CRT (biggest RP CRTs they made). For playing 4:3 retro stuff, it's equivalent to having a 70" wide screen with lettering boxing on the size. So you can imagine, the pixels for old systems are LARGE.

+1!

[Olls]

42 is as small as I would go. I have a 42 in my bedroom LCD of course. (i got it in 2008 before LED was cheap).

Plasma is GARBAGE, a plasma tv wont live to see your kids, even if you already got a girl pregnant. They burn in still images, horrible for gaming. Of course if your blind and need eye surgery then plasma will look like LED so it wont matter (untill you get burn in screen)

hahaha

I'm sorry, but you need to educate yourself on plasma televisions. They're the best TVs out there for gaming. They last at least 5 - 7 years with OVER-excessive use, 10 - 12 with normal use, which is FINE. Who the fuck keeps their TV around for longer than 10 years, especially these days.

Much truer colours and blacks (FACT)
Much better viewing angle (FACT)
Much lower ms (higher ms can cause input delay) (FACT)
Burn-in protection since 2007 and even earlier on the better models out there (FACT)
If you want BIG screens (42" and up) you WANT plasma, only smaller (<40") LCD screens can be considered better in some areas (FACT)

Go read plasma vs LCD comparisons instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, because your sister's friend's mother's uncle said plasma suxorrrrlol.

[Clessy]

hahaha

I'm sorry, but you need to educate yourself on plasma televisions. They're the best TVs out there for gaming. They last at least 5 - 7 years with OVER-excessive use, 10 - 12 with normal use, which is FINE. Who the fuck keeps their TV around for longer than 10 years, especially these days.

Much truer colours and blacks (FACT)
Much better viewing angle (FACT)
Much lower ms (higher ms can cause input delay) (FACT)
Burn-in protection since 2007 and even earlier on the better models out there (FACT)
If you want BIG screens (42" and up) you WANT plasma, only smaller (<40") LCD screens can be considered better in some areas (FACT)

Go read plasma vs LCD comparisons instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, because your sister's friend's mother's uncle said plasma suxorrrrlol.

High five for plasma's?

The new Panasonic super thin plasma are insanely good. I almost bought one but it was $3700 which was more expensive than the car I used the money on instead lol.

[Guntz]

I'm on the Plasma bandwagon too. I've never used a Plasma that outright sucked. LCD on the other hand, has always disappointed me. I've never seen any in stores or owned by friends that were half as good as my Plasma. The picture is usually faded/washed out, laggy as crap (even with broadcast TV material) and even the physical display tends to suck.

[Olls]

High five for plasma's?

The new Panasonic super thin plasma are insanely good. I almost bought one but it was $3700 which was more expensive than the car I used the money on instead lol.

Word.

[Clessy]

I'm on the Plasma bandwagon too. I've never used a Plasma that outright sucked. LCD on the other hand, has always disappointed me. I've never seen any in stores or owned by friends that were half as good as my Plasma. The picture is usually faded/washed out, laggy as crap (even with broadcast TV material) and even the physical display tends to suck.

They've come a huge way. You can get some nice as shit LCD. The issue is I can get a plasma of the same quality for half the price and, im not a idiot who thinks my plasma is just gonna get insane burn in and break in 2 years like the average American.

[metro2005]

What... how... wait.....

what?

As a said, just a matter of personal taste but also a matter of having loads of SD material (dvd's for example) which just doesn't look good on a high res screen.

28" tv is consider so small now that people wouldnt even say thats big enough for the bathroom. 32" is the smallest they make tvs everything else is just monitors. a 42" plasma is like $400 now. Theres also a reason people can barely give away crt's. They're tiny heavy and offer almost no advantage anymore. Most combing filters in plasma now make the picture quality on retro systems better than they'd on a crt over composite anyways.

I don't like filters, why filter if you can have the perfect picture right out of your television already!

hahaha

I'm sorry, but you need to educate yourself on plasma televisions. They're the best TVs out there for gaming. They last at least 5 - 7 years with OVER-excessive use, 10 - 12 with normal use, which is FINE. Who the fuck keeps their TV around for longer than 10 years, especially these days.

I do , my tv's are all over 10 years old

Much truer colours and blacks (FACT)
Much better viewing angle (FACT)
Much lower ms (higher ms can cause input delay) (FACT)
Burn-in protection since 2007 and even earlier on the better models out there (FACT)
If you want BIG screens (42" and up) you WANT plasma, only smaller (<40") LCD screens can be considered better in some areas (FACT)

Go read plasma vs LCD comparisons instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, because your sister's friend's mother's uncle said plasma suxorrrrlol.

I agree, plasma's are better then LCD's in almost every aspect.

[Olls]

As a said, just a matter of personal taste but also a matter of having loads of SD material (dvd's for example) which just doesn't look good on a high res screen.

I can agree on that. It doesn't hurt to keep your good old sdtv around. I still have mine.
Somehow, we kept TVs around much longer back then. Nowadays people buy new TVs every 2 years.

[Clessy]

I can agree on that. It doesn't hurt to keep your good old sdtv around. I still have mine.
Somehow, we kept TVs around much longer back then. Nowadays people buy new TVs every 2 years.

Thats because within every 2 years you can get a tv half the weight, half the energy usage, 7 to 20" larger and, even bright for the same cost as the tv you bought last year. Plus suckers are out there all the time willing to buy your tv for near what you paid for it so upgrading barely cost you anything.

[Sik]

I can agree on that. It doesn't hurt to keep your good old sdtv around. I still have mine.
Somehow, we kept TVs around much longer back then. Nowadays people buy new TVs every 2 years.

There are places where people still keep their TVs for much longer - usually until they break. When you don't have much money to spend, there isn't any point in getting a new TV if your old one still does the job. This is what some people didn't get when there were complaints about some games having unreadable text in SDTVs.

[soop]

+1 to everything Olls and Clessy have said on the previous page regarding plasmas. They answered everything I was going to as I read it.

I'd just like to add that the reason Panasonic are so good now, is they licensed Pioneer's Kuro technology after they quit the market, which has a near infininite contrast ratio (perfectly black blacks).

I have a 50" plasma and a 42" LCD for my bedroom, but the LCD is a Sony, whom I've always rated for their TVs (even though they've been lagging behind the last decade).

The reason plasmas are cheaper towards 42"+ are because of the manufacturing difficulties in producing blemish-free LCDs at that size - as the size goes up, the higher the chance of LCDs being defective (though it's far far less than it was about 10 years ago). They also weigh a ****ing ton because of the glass.