Six Brands That Have Come Back from the Dead

[JCU]

If we use the logic from this article, what do we say about Sony with the PS3 and PSP being trounced in sales? Terrible article.

[Clessy]

If we use the logic from this article, what do we say about Sony with the PS3 and PSP being trounced in sales? Terrible article.

Nope you're wrong. In the context of the articles you'd still be wrong too. Sony makes way more than just video games. There consumer electronics are doing just fine and, they won the movie format war which insures them an insane amount of free money until the next format.

[j_factor]

Nope you're wrong. In the context of the articles you'd still be wrong too. Sony makes way more than just video games. There consumer electronics are doing just fine and, they won the movie format war which insures them an insane amount of free money until the next format.

And Nintendo's handhelds and Pokemon shit were doing just fine.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Considering the Gamecube sold just as well as the Original Xbox if fail to see why it's considered a failure. Same goes for the N64 too. They may not have been number 1 in sales, but they still were well known and selling good enough. If you said "I have a Gamecube" to someone they wouldn't reply back "What's a Gamecube?" which was usually the response you got if you had a console that was truly a failure like the Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, Master System, Saturn or even the Dreamcast at times.

If the Gamecube and N64 are considered failures then I guess that means the Genesis, Xbox 360, and PS3 are failures too since they weren't number 1 in sales either.

[Clessy]

If you said "I have a Gamecube" to someone they wouldn't reply back "What's a Gamecube?" which was usually the response you got if you had a console that was truly a failure like the Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, Master System, Saturn or even the Dreamcast at times.

Ionno about that. Dreamcast had the most successful console launch ever at the time it came out. It was like a fade really. Every single person who played games in school had one in the first week. I had never seen something catch on so quickly. DC was the landslide winner in popularity the whole time I was in middle school.

If the Gamecube and N64 are considered failures then I guess that means the Genesis, Xbox 360, and PS3 are failures too since they weren't number 1 in sales either.

Im sure you could consider the ps3 a failure. I mean Sony went from 2 systems that hand muti million leads to where they are now. PS2 sold 150 million units. No console will ever do that again if you consider population inflation. Sure once the world has like 50 billion people 150 million units might not be as much but ps1 and ps2 are the best selling consoles ever. Ps3 wont be remembered as such. In fact Sony made so many mistakes with the ps2 but, had the power and market share to do so. There arrogance is what lead them to do it all over again with the ps3 however people had a better alternative this time.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Ionno about that. Dreamcast had the most successful console launch ever at the time it came out. It was like a fade really. Every single person who played games in school had one in the first week. I had never seen something catch on so quickly. DC was the landslide winner in popularity the whole time I was in middle school.

Im sure you could consider the ps3 a failure. I mean Sony went from 2 systems that hand muti million leads to where they are now. PS2 sold 150 million units. No console will ever do that again if you consider population inflation. Sure once the world has like 50 billion people 150 million units might not be as much but ps1 and ps2 are the best selling consoles ever. Ps3 wont be remembered as such. In fact Sony made so many mistakes with the ps2 but, had the power and market share to do so. There arrogance is what lead them to do it all over again with the ps3 however people had a better alternative this time.

But the fact of the matter is no one considers the Genesis a failure except dumb kids who weren't alive during the time period. No one considers the 360 a failure. Few people consider the PS3 a failure. They've all sold similarly to the Gamecube and N64. So if we are going to consider GC and N64 failures then we have to consider every other system out there that didn't get number 1 in sales a failure. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

[Clessy]

But the fact of the matter is no one considers the Genesis a failure except dumb kids who weren't alive during the time period. No one considers the 360 a failure. Few people consider the PS3 a failure. They've all sold similarly to the Gamecube and N64. So if we are going to consider GC and N64 failures then we have to consider every other system out there that didn't get number 1 in sales a failure. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Whats actually funny is no system is a failure this generation really. 360 and ps3 have both sold double of what the 2 "losing" systems sold last gen. Xbox and GC where about 22 million 360 and ps3 are at around 50 million now right? This is a vastly better generation imho because I don't feel like each company offered enough to the table last gen. While ps3 and 360 have a lot of the same titles I say a person could be happy with owning a 360 for its exclusives and the multiplatform games and then just own a Ps3 with just exclusives and as a blu ray player. It would still be worthwhile.

[GohanX]

Actually, Sony is in pretty terrible shape right now, but it has more to do with slumping HDTV sales than anything else. They aren't at risk of going anywhere soon, however, as they have tons of cash. They are getting their asses kicked by Samsung more than Microsoft or Nintendo.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Whats actually funny is no system is a failure this generation really. 360 and ps3 have both sold double of what the 2 "losing" systems sold last gen. Xbox and GC where about 22 million 360 and ps3 are at around 50 million now right? This is a vastly better generation imho because I don't feel like each company offered enough to the table last gen. While ps3 and 360 have a lot of the same titles I say a person could be happy with owning a 360 for its exclusives and the multiplatform games and then just own a Ps3 with just exclusives and as a blu ray player. It would still be worthwhile.

Wii and 360 have already been on the market longer than their predecessors. Gamecube came out late 2001 and was replaced late 2006. That's roughly 5 years. Xbox came out late 2001 and was replaced in 2005. That's about 4 years. So of course they are going to sell more. Gamecube and Xbox sold admirably well against the PS2. Enough to make it so everyone knew about them as much as they did about the PS2. The Gamecube and Xbox sections of most stores that sold games was about the same size as the PS2 sections. This is completely different compared to previous generations where systems like the Saturn, TG16, Game Gear, 32X, Master System, Jaguar, etc. had virtually no shelf space at all. The Xbox, Gamecube, and N64 are not failures. They were just not number 1 in sales.

[gamevet]

The Saturn got plenty of shelf space during its first year and a half. It wasn't until the Playstation sales exploded that the Saturn's shelf space began to shrink.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Yeah, and by 1997 Saturn had no shelf space in the US. Gamecube still had shelf space by the time the Wii came along and N64 still had shelf space after the Gamecube came around.

[JCU]

Nope you're wrong. In the context of the articles you'd still be wrong too. Sony makes way more than just video games. There consumer electronics are doing just fine and, they won the movie format war which insures them an insane amount of free money until the next format.

In the context of the article referring specifically to Nintendo, no, I'd be correct. The article mentions Nintendo's video game sales. If you want to split hairs Nintendo wasn't only about consoles and games. Magazines, toys and clothes come to mind. Granted, the revenue might not be as large as selling electronics but it was still there nonetheless.

[gamevet]

Yeah, and by 1997 Saturn had no shelf space in the US. Gamecube still had shelf space by the time the Wii came along and N64 still had shelf space after the Gamecube came around.

In North America, sure, but the N64 wasn't selling so well in Europe and Japan.


Still, I wouldn't lump the Saturn with the Jag, 32X, or Master System. Many thought the Saturn was actually going to be a success, while they weren't so high about the Jag and those other failed systems.

[j_factor]

Yeah, and by 1997 Saturn had no shelf space in the US. Gamecube still had shelf space by the time the Wii came along and N64 still had shelf space after the Gamecube came around.

I owned a Saturn in the US in 1997 and it definitely had shelf space. Limited shelf space, but it was there. Most places didn't actually get rid of the system until 1998. Of course, by the time the DC came out, it was long gone and felt like a distant memory.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I owned a Saturn in the US in 1997 and it definitely had shelf space. Limited shelf space, but it was there. Most places didn't actually get rid of the system until 1998. Of course, by the time the DC came out, it was long gone and felt like a distant memory.

I got my Saturn in 1996 and they were already starting to clear out all stock in the stores near me. By 1997 you couldn't rent Saturn games in Blockbuster anymore and most stores had little to nothing left. The same is not true for the N64 and Gamecube. Those systems had decent shelf space their entire life.