How successful do you think the Wii U will be ?

[JCU]

Oh, I see how it is now... Fluffy intangibilities, not hardware or software...hmmm. I've seen this plenty of times, and that's usually where all facts go out the window from one side of the conversation. I thought we were talking about physical machines with components that we can look at and compare, but you seem to talk about a "meta-console" that somehow transcends our ability to compare.

Edit: Also, "downplaying" specs =/= arguing that specs are not different. I've specifically said and agreed that performance specs in some areas were different.

So again, no one is arguing against what super specific case you are trying to make about performance.

So....
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Everything matters in this comparison from the guts to the capabilities. Everything matters that effects what we play and how we play.

...ah, you sure about that? Because you seem to take it to mean "Performance between Wii and GC is exactly the same." quite easily. Even though I've been telling you that at least some people here (myself included) say that in regards to the overall amalgam of hardware and/or the general visual quality of the games.

People need to do a better job of clarifying themselves instead of making a baseless statement that can only be recognized in one way.

[NeoVamp]

official playstation (PS1) ads never call it "PSX" in first place, please correct me if I'm wrong on this one.

No you're correct it was never officially used, but the PSX nickname came to be in the days before the release of the Playstation,
maybe it was a code name used by Sony, maybe it was thought up by a Sony representative who felt the X was XTREME!
but fact remains that PSX was used in the early days, and people who were there used it, and still use it.

And that's the whole point of this discussion, why do people use it? well because we used it back then, so we use it now.

It was never official no, but it was a widely used nickname by magazines.

Why else do you think that one PS magazine called itself P.S.X. ?

Why else did you think the emulator called itself ePSXe ?

And that's the problem I got with this subject, some people are pretending the whole PSX nickname was never a big deal, while it was.

And it wasn't just a Euro thing either, they called it PSX in Gamepro and EGM.

[StarMist]

It was probably called the PSX back when it was the only system because there was no need for a numeric indicator. It wasn't until you got the Playstation 2, that you needed to differentiate between the generations.
Here's how I consider it:

PS1 = Original grey console and games for it
PSOne = The redesigned tiny version with the large power adapter
PSX = Interchangeable with PS1 for the most part, but there was actually hardware from Sony called the PSX which was actually a PS2 DVR functionality.

The term PSX should have been retired when the PS2 came out, and it really should have been retired when Sony made other hardware with that name.

Not to make any beef with you man, I know you've already been quoted, but I don't remember anybody calling it in person anything but the Playstation. The abbreviation PS was only for writing and PSX I seldom saw, though it did predate the (US) launch and its story as a codeword rings a bell. There was no need to call it either a PSX or PSOne after the launch till the brewings of the PS2.

I suspect Sony's marketing section did imagine there might be a usable semiotic element to 'PSX' , ie the 'sex' sound (recall eg that Toshinden advert with Sofia) but that it was just eventually dropped so Sony brass wouldn't have to wobbly explain what the X meant--saying "it demonstrates how hip we are" is a statement that undoes itself.

[j_factor]

I really hate calling it PS1. There was no "1" in the name. Nobody called it that until 2000. Even when the Playstation 2 was first announced, many assumed it was just a code name. I don't think Sony has ever used the numeral 1 in regards to the system. Just Playstation, and then PS One when that version of the system came out.

[eddiespruce]

I think the only way to satisfy everyone would be to abbreviate it as "PS".

But in my opinion, it's a "POS".

[Kamahl]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eddiespruce again."

[The Jackal]

How so? Because you hate Sony? The dpad? Regardless, it's a brillant system with a great back catalogue of games. Don't like the dpad? Get an adapter or 3rd party pad. Hate Sony? It's a games machine, ignore who made it and enjoy the games.

[eddiespruce]

How so? Because you hate Sony? The dpad? Regardless, it's a brillant system with a great back catalogue of games. Don't like the dpad? Get an adapter or 3rd party pad. Hate Sony? It's a games machine, ignore who made it and enjoy the games.

Perhaps if there were more 2D games for it, I could appreciate it more, and one of these days I may try to pick up that Saturn style pad for it.

[DarkDragon]

Playstation/PSX/PSOne is my favorite console of all time. Lack of quality 2D games doesnt bother me since I was more than ready for the change from 2D to 3D.

[Sly Wolf]

No you're correct it was never officially used, but the PSX nickname came to be in the days before the release of the Playstation,
maybe it was a code name used by Sony, maybe it was thought up by a Sony representative who felt the X was XTREME!
but fact remains that PSX was used in the early days, and people who were there used it, and still use it.

And that's the whole point of this discussion, why do people use it? well because we used it back then, so we use it now.

It was never official no, but it was a widely used nickname by magazines.

Why else do you think that one PS magazine called itself P.S.X. ?

Why else did you think the emulator called itself ePSXe ?

And that's the problem I got with this subject, some people are pretending the whole PSX nickname was never a big deal, while it was.

And it wasn't just a Euro thing either, they called it PSX in Gamepro and EGM.

That makes sense, I would like it better if they call it Playstation, or PSone. I mean calling it PS, is like P.S. letter thing!

P.S. Mr.Smith, your guts is STILL mine! As a orange werewolf, I should rip out your guts the most painful way that you'll ever imagine! I guarantee this will happen one day!

P.S. I'll be back!

[Kamahl]

Perhaps if there were more 2D games for it, I could appreciate it more, and one of these days I may try to pick up that Saturn style pad for it.

The 2D games it does have are pretty damn good though.

[eddiespruce]

Playstation/PSX/PSOne is my favorite console of all time. Lack of quality 2D games doesnt bother me since I was more than ready for the change from 2D to 3D.

Yeah, but I don't play 3D games. I was only 9 years old when I got an N64, and less than a year later I disconnected it and hooked up my Genesis again.

The 2D games it does have are pretty damn good though.

True, but most of them are available on the Saturn.

[sheath]

Yeah, but I don't play 3D games. I was only 9 years old when I got an N64, and less than a year later I disconnected it and hooked up my Genesis again.

Everybody in this group had better give Eddie rep right now or face the consequences.

[NeoVamp]

But in my opinion, it's a "POS".

I don't understand why you'd feel that way, the PSX had an enormous selection of amazing games,
there were 3D fighters for fans of that genre, there were a boatload of sweet 3D racers for fans of those,
there were lots of ports of 2D arcade fighters, a shitload of sweet RPG's, there were even FPS shooters!
and.. the sweet 2D and 3D Disney games.

Playstation 1 was like the Genesis and Snes had a baby and it had 32bit power and CD storage.


Edit : wait I see you're talking lovingly about the Saturn, that explains your hate for the PSX. (brand loyalty lol)

[KnightWarrior]

Saturn is the best