How successful do you think the Wii U will be ?

[MrMatthews]

You guys keep referring to the Gamecube as the GCN. Please, tell me the 'N' doesn't stand for 'Nintendo'.

Now try wrapping your head around the fact that the original Gameboy is abbreviated as "DMG." I'm pretty sure that "dot matrix" fits in there, somewhere...

[Televator]

Everything matters in this comparison from the guts to the capabilities. Everything matters that effects what we play and how we play.

If you wanna lay out what matters to you in subjective statement like that that's fine by me, but realize that no one else has to arbitrarily follow and agree with your reasoning. In fact, your use of "everything" in the context of your side of the conversation is quite nebulous (and again touches on the whole "meta" tone you brought up earlier) to me, but I don't really care enough to ask you to clarify.

People need to do a better job of clarifying themselves instead of making a baseless statement that can only be recognized in one way.

Oh of course, everyone on the internet should mind only your colloquial habits and preemptively articulate their intended meaning and remove all "abstract" language from all conversation.

...or you could just ask them to define what they mean on a case by case basis, not superimpose your angle on the conversation, and not end up making up strawmen as a result.

[JCU]

If you wanna lay out what matters to you in subjective statement like that that's fine by me, but realize that no one else has to arbitrarily follow and agree with your reasoning. In fact, your use of "everything" in the context of your side of the conversation is quite nebulous (and again touches on the whole "meta" tone you brought up earlier) to me, but I don't really care enough to ask you to clarify.

You don't care yet you have continued responding multiple posts later? We already touched on hardware (which you downplayed), software (which someone else downplayed) and the "intangibles" (which you also downplayed), as you put them. The fact of the matter is the Wii and GCN are two different systems on many levels and the Wii does things better then the system it replaced. Arguing against this is futile.

Oh of course, everyone on the internet should mind only your colloquial habits and preemptively articulate their intended meaning and remove all "abstract" language from all conversation.

...or you could just ask them to define what they mean on a case by case basis, not superimpose your angle on the conversation, and not end up making up strawmen as a result.

The intended meaning when saying something (GCN) IS another thing (Wii) is quite obvious. Indicative of be. Understand what that means? I think the only ones who will argue are the ones caught with their pants down.....if you will. If you want to talk about straws, that's exactly what you have been doing by conveniently throwing the word "modified" in the mix to suggest that's what's meant when people say the Wii is a GCN.

[TheSonicRetard]

Ya dude totally

Just like how the DS and DSi are completely different systems, right?

[JCU]

I'm not sure if being facetious was your goal.

Does a redesign constitute a different system?

[TheSonicRetard]

I'm not sure if being facetious was your goal.

The wii and the GCN are different in the exact same ways the DS and the DSi are different.

Do you consider the DSi to be a successor to the DS?

[TheSonicRetard]

I'm not sure if being facetious was your goal.

Does a redesign constitute a different system?

LMAO goal accomplished. The DSi is a DS with more ram, and a slightly faster model of the same CPU, a new input method (a camera) and some games released exclusively on the format.

Just like the Wii is a GCN with more ram and a slightly faster model of the same CPU, a new input method (the wiimote) and some games released exclusively on the format.

[JCU]

Speed, ram, expandable memory thanks to a SD slot, apps, etc.., are all different. The DSi takes everything the DS can do and does just about everything better except of course GBA games.

I'm asking you if you consider a redesign to be a new system.

[Zoltor]

The wii and the GCN are different in the exact same ways the DS and the DSi are different.

Do you consider the DSi to be a successor to the DS?

No they are not, all the DSi is, is a redesign(added a stupid camera, took away the GBA slot), the Wii is completely different, simular hardware spects doesn't make a system a redesign). The wii has a 100% different OS, has It's own library, and ignore it all you want, but the Wii is noticeably more powerful then the GC.

[TheSonicRetard]

No they are not, all the DSi is, is a redesign(added a stupid camera, took away the GBA slot), the Wii is completely different, simular hardware spects doesn't makle a system a redwsign). The wii has a 100% differeny OS, has It's own library, and ignore it all you want, but the Wii is noticeably more powerful then the GC.

The DSi has a different OS than the DS (in fact, it's basically a scaled down version of the Wii's OS). The DSi has it's own library (have you seriously not heard of DSi games?)

The wii is not "way more powerful" than the GCN. It doesn't have "similar" hardware, it has the SAME hardware, only more ram and faster. Hell, the gap between the DSi and the DS is actually larger than the gap between the Wii and the GCN, since the DSi has more than four times the normal ram of the DS (where as the Wii has only 88 mb ram, and the GCN has 42 mb, about twice as much) and the DSi's processor is twice as fast as the DS's processor (Which is about the same difference between the Wii's CPU and the GCN's cpu).

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/04/wi...says-miyamoto/

You can run GCN games unmodified on a wii.

If you think the differences between the DS and DSi aren't large enough to make them different systems, then guess what, the differences between the GCN and Wii aren't large enough to make them different systems. Because they're the same damn differences.

[TheSonicRetard]

Speed, ram, expandable memory thanks to a SD slot, apps, etc.., are all different. The DSi takes everything the DS can do and does just about everything better except of course GBA games.

I'm asking you if you consider a redesign to be a new system.

No, I do not consider a redesign to be a new system. Do you?

[Televator]

You don't care yet you have continued responding multiple posts later?

You have a very selective application of context... I cared enough to present a point about the Wii, which I share with many people, without it being misrepresented by your use of straw men. I don't care enough to know about the "feelings" you get from the Wii that make it feel like a different system from the GCN.

We already touched on hardware (which you downplayed), software (which someone else downplayed) and the "intangibles" (which you also downplayed), as you put them. The fact of the matter is the Wii and GCN are two different systems on many levels and the Wii does things better then the system it replaced. Arguing against this is futile.

What's this about "downplaying"? Who's using the parlor tricks around here? Futile? You act as though you've spoken so factually. Well lets talk about a matter of fact... Answer this: Is the hardware and software in/on the Wii more the same than different (or vise versa) than the GCN? The spec sheets are out there on the hardware and there is much about the software that literally carried over from the GCN. There is a factual answer to this question that reflects the very real info available on both consoles. Any other answer is mere spin tactics. Also, you're trying to wedge in this completely subjective "feeling" angle which in no way entitles you to use words like "futile".

[JCU]

No, I do not consider a redesign to be a new system. Do you?

That all depends what was done.

Up above you suggest a faster system with more RAM is small peanuts instead of something substantial.

[TheSonicRetard]

That all depends what was done.

Up above you suggest a faster system with more RAM is small peanuts instead of something substantial.

So you consider the DSi to be a substantial successor to the DS? Because nintendo certainly never considered it of an entirely different generation.

What it boils down to is that your argument relies on "nintendo marketed it as a different console generation, there for it is!" Which is hypocritical, because the same sort of differences, to a wider degree, weren't marketed as a different console generations with the DSi.

A faster system with more ram is small peanuts compared to a completely different architecture. All more ram and a faster CPU does, is gives you more room to work with within the same framework. You still have all the CPU flaws you had to begin with, you still had all the limitations of the GPU that were there to begin with. The Wii can't do any sort of graphical tricks the GCN couldn't do in hardware, it cans imply do MORE of what the GCN can do.

EXAMPLE: The UE3 engine couldn't run on the GCN, nor can it run on the wii, despite the wii being faster with more ram. This is because the GPU in both the Wii and GCN lack the level of pixel shader support necessary to run UE3.

[Zoltor]

The DSi has a different OS than the DS (in fact, it's basically a scaled down version of the Wii's OS). The DSi has it's own library (have you seriously not heard of DSi games?)

The wii is not "way more powerful" than the GCN. It doesn't have "similar" hardware, it has the SAME hardware, only more ram and faster. Hell, the gap between the DSi and the DS is actually larger than the gap between the Wii and the GCN, since the DSi has more than four times the normal ram of the DS (where as the Wii has only 88 mb ram, and the GCN has 42 mb, about twice as much) and the DSi's processor is twice as fast as the DS's processor (Which is about the same difference between the Wii's CPU and the GCN's cpu).

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/04/wi...says-miyamoto/

You can run GCN games unmodified on a wii.

If you think the differences between the DS and DSi aren't large enough to make them different systems, then guess what, the differences between the GCN and Wii aren't large enough to make them different systems. Because they're the same damn differences.

Lol, there's like maybe a crappy tech demo or two(the Japanese probally have a few real games, but I doubt they have many, and even then you could probally play such on the reg DS, just can't use certain features), but 99% of this so called library, is DSi Ware(a crappy version of the wiiware network). Please the DSi VS DS Isn't comparible at all to the wii vs GC.