Favorite Retro Handheld Console

[Bastardcat]

I didn't just look it up on Wikipedia.

[TheSonicRetard]

I didn't just look it up on Wikipedia.

then cite your source.

I still don't believe it, btw.

[Bastardcat]

http://www.uni.edu/dillond/turboexpress.html <-About the screen
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=702.0 <-About the capacitors.
The guy was saying that the problem even happened with brand new units. Last time I checked "brand new" for that particular kind of hardware would have been either ass end of the 80s or the very early 90s.

[TheSonicRetard]

http://www.uni.edu/dillond/turboexpress.html <-About the screen
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=702.0 <-About the capacitors.
The guy was saying that the problem even happened with brand new units. Last time I checked "brand new" for that particular kind of hardware would have been either ass end of the 80s or the very early 90s.

Every machine ever has had batches with dead pixels, it's not a major problem like you've implied.

and LMFAO, the second link is what wikipedia cites. That is the d-lite post I was talking about. he's not saying new units sold in 1990 had this problem. he's saying new units TODAY have this problem, because the caps age and die. This isn't up for debate. This is a well documented, well known problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

EDIT: Here's where your ignorance really shines through - he mentions that the person talking about selling new turbo expresses is from TZD. TZD didn't start selling Turbo Expresses until 2000.

OOPS.

[Bastardcat]

That's like saying the Deloreans that get custom made for people from the factory leftovers are "new". They're not. They're just assembling old parts that were never used. MISB is not the same as "New".

[TheSonicRetard]

That's like saying the Deloreans that get custom made for people from the factory leftovers are "new". They're not. They're just assembling old parts that were never used. MISB is not the same as "New".

The guy he is quoting about selling new turbo expresses represents a company that didn't exist when turbo expresses were new.

Keep putting your fingers in your ears, though, you clearly know more about this handheld than I do.

[Bastardcat]

Look, I'll admit that I had it wrong, but "New" and "Unused" are two entirely different things.

[TheSonicRetard]

Look, I'll admit that I had it wrong, but "New" and "Unused" are two entirely different things.

then take it up with d-lite, because thats how he used it.

Take it up with SNK as well, because they sold unused Neo Geo Pocket Colors in 2006 as new.

Take it up with thousands of ebay sellers, too, because you can find "new" turbo duos on ebay right now.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Don't forget all the new Dreamcasts that showed up on Amazon a few years ago too.

[Bastardcat]

If there are two kinds of eBay sellers I have issues with, its the ones who sell the game saves you can download for free off of sites like Wiisave, and people who list old items as "new".

[TrekkiesUnite118]

If there are two kinds of eBay sellers I have issues with, its the ones who sell the game saves you can download for free off of sites like Wiisave, and people who list old items as "new".

Well technically they are still new. They have just been sitting on a store shelf for 20 years. I mean, where do we cut off the term new? There are still stores with PS1 and Dreamcast games that are still new and sealed. Are those no longer new because they came off the assembly line 10 years ago, even though they were never bought and are still sitting in store inventory?

[Bastardcat]

I think when selling something the terms "New" and "old" should mainly apply to anything that degrades or decays noticeably over time.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I think "New" and "old" should mainly apply to anything that degrades or decays noticeably over time.

Well technically capacitors start to degrade when they are made. It's very possible that your brand new PS3 or 360 has capacitors that are 5 years old in them that are just stock that the factory has had for years. Is that PS3 or 360 no longer new now?

Those TurboExpress systems are still new in their unopened boxes, they've just passed their expiration date is all.

[Bastardcat]

And the fact that gaming hardware degrades over time is all the more reason I roll my eyes at people who decry emulation.

[TheSonicRetard]

And the fact that gaming hardware degrades over time is all the more reason I roll my eyes at people who decry emulation.

I agree that emulation is an awesome way to preserve games which might one day be lost

but there is something to be said about the real deal. Cap replacing is trivial, as is laser replacement.