Anyone here who doesnt like the Saturn ?

[Zoltor]

Super Street Fighter II is much more than just 4 added characters. Every single existing character has different moves, different combos, and tons of art was changed. It's, at a bare minmum, a bigger change than MK3 and UMK3.

I think a strength of a system relies on two things - quality of library, and quantity of library. A system needs both to consider such a genre a strength. The PC Engine might have quality down (arguably) but it doesn't have quantity.

If you say so, but all I've ever heard(from the so called fans mind you, not dumb review sites/media) is omg the PC-Engine has the best version of basically every multiplatform fighter, and now you guys are claiming that's not the case.

[TheSonicRetard]

If you say so, but all I've ever heard(from the so called fans mind you, not dumb review sites/media) is omg the PC-Engine has the best version of basically every multiplatform fighter, and now you guys are claiming that's not the case.

The PC Engine DOES have the best versions of multiplatform titles which also appeared on the format... all 4 of them. 4 games out of a genre in the hundreds does not make a system a heavy weight in the genre.

[Thenewguy]

Make sure to pick up "Advanced V.G", "Asuka 120%", and "Kabuki Ittouryoudan(Requires the Arcade Card, but it's worth it)".

But SonicR just said they all sucked! (I jest, I intended to try Advanced Variable Geo first anyway just in case )

[Black_Tiger]

The PC Engine DOES have the best versions of multiplatform titles which also appeared on the format... all 4 of them. 4 games out of a genre in the hundreds does not make a system a heavy weight in the genre.

Neither does a large number of mediocre ones.

I think that SSFII alone is unmatched for 16-bit console games. Itoyryoden is priceless to me though, since Kabuki Den is my favorite game.

[Barone]

Lol Nintendo harmful to the industry(what, by not allowing a ton of ports on their systems, and wanting the games that are released to be exclusive? That's a good thing people, massive amount of ports is not competition, and is not all that different then what caused the gaming crash, so I think we should thank nintendo buy saying, if you want to make games for this this, it can't be whored off to other systems). Nintendo Didn't say you can't make games for other systems(the exact opposite, companies were only allowed to make 3 games a year for the NES, done to basically limit a ton of low end games flooding the market, but also gives companies more of a mreason to make games for a bunch of different systems), they said you can't make the "same" game, which by the way, not only helps every system out(as it makes each library uniqe), but is very healthy to the industry in general.

MS is insanely damaging on the otherhand, as they actually buy companies, so their games can only be on the XBOX systems in general, not just "specific" games( Rare anybody).

Sony is very damaging, but in other ways as well(promotes graphic power over good game design, buyouts the press, owns market share in the medium used on their systems, and bribes companies to virtually only make games for them).

As for Sega they only damaged themselves, which sadly made way for MS to later come in(remember Sega really started online gaming, It's the one major thing Sega actually brought to the table, completely original, but once Sega killed them selves(stupid morons), it allowed MS to come in, and really cause damage.

What is it, like 90% of online gaming consists of FPS or more precisely COD clones now.

Sega had diversity(hasn't always been their strong point, but by the time online gaming came into the picture, they were finally getting with the program, with what people wanted), they had leaderboards, they had MMOs( did they also have online fighters? ), and exc.

I mean damn, there's online for Shenmue for crying out loud, which to do such for an adventure game is odd, and amazing at the same time.

If Nintendo is there first, it doesn't matter, they are gonna get all the games anyway, on top of that the Famicom was the only decent system out there anyway(so this made it so game developers had to choose between making a ton of crap for the systems that ruined the industry or make a few quality title a years for a system that is well supported, and capeable of more then 70s arcade games), you act like it changed the industry for the worse. Also by the time Super Famicom came out, Nintendo didn't do that as far as I know, except for possibly Rare, which was basically subsidized by Nintendo anyway(which made it make sense, they would mostly make games for Nintendo, which if you look at Rare's history, wasn't that strict, because they did make a few Genesis games).

"Nintendo demanded that they manufacture all the cartridges themselves, they charged 3rd parties double the amount it cost to manufacture them, and then they charged them a hefty licensing fee on top of that. 3rd parties had two choices, either they could cave in to every demand Nintendo made, or they could support another system, which had >10% marketshare, which meant their company went out of business."

This is a good thing(lol It's still a hell of a lot cheaper then what Sony charges by the way), it forces companies to put effort into making games. There's a reason why alot of the "early" 3rd party games sucked on the NES, because Nintendo basically paid the bill for the publication of games(thinking it would bring more quality developers in, but it did the opposite, so they put a end to that tactic, and gave developers a reason to put effort into their games)

Again, this really only existed in the NES days, and you are kidding yourself if such games could even be put on other systems at the time. Most of the games that exist on the NES either wouldn't exist at all(if X company didn't choose to go with the system) or would be a empty shell of a game, that is very different(placed on the SMS).

Also you seem to imply companies would want to release games on the other systems, Sega was still hung up on Arcade gaming, why the hell would a company want to put a console style game, on a arcade centric system, and the other systems out there sucked in general(little more then updated 2600 clones).

However don't take that as Nintendo dropping support for developers, they still supported the games(Nintendo Power, tools/developer kits, and such), they just stopped footing the bill for the most expensive aspect of making a game, the publication)

"A metric ton of late 3rd party games sucked on the NES too."

Not noticeably so, many games were only comparibly bad(when there's already a ton of awesome sports, RPGs, Tactics, puzzle, platformers exc out there, it just makes many games look bad(because of how hard it is to compete with greatness).

Really, the PC-Engine, someone slap him. The PC engine is good for "two" things, and two things only, Shooters, and Fighters(believe it or not, there are actually other genres on the system as well, and omg are they bad).

SG1000(never heard of it)? Sounds like a computer, if so that doesn't really count. On the otherhand, lets go with your premise shall we, if that were the case, Japan would not have become the industry leader that they became, they would've bocome a joke of the gaming industry, much like EU was in the 80-90s.

Sega would've probally died off well before it did, and we would probally be playing on a Atari system now(shivers), which is a scary thought. I highly doubt the gaming industry would be anything big, most serious gaming would still be done in the arcades most likely(gaming at home would be uncommon at best).

Generally It's not a good move to put a console style game on a system that has mainly a arcade game fanbase, why? because such games wont sell.

The non Fighters/shooters on the system are bad, really really bad, so bad I stopped trying to look for the one gem that may or may not exist for the system.

The AVGN so needs to do a video on non fighter/shooter PC-Engine games.

What, lets see I had a 2600, 7800, C64, also I still have NES, NES 2, SNES, Gen, SCD, PS(had a N64 but was destroyed in a flood last year), PS 2, a gaming PC, DC, Wii, DS Lite, and GB(I'm planing to get a PSP, and a WiiU, but money is tight). None of the games I've played on the PC-Engine I liked, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not inlove with the supposed awesome PC-Engine Library.

And didn't learn a thing about gaming... Pretty spoiled _____ you are.
The typical mindless concept of today: get more and more consoles and games, but no idea about what they are or what to do with them.

Ok you want to play that card huh, if the PC-Engine has this amazing library, it wouldn't have failed so bad.

I really have to see the Japanese exlusives, because there must be something special(for you guys to love it so much), but I don't see it in the NA's library, that's for sure.

To Thenewguy: come to think of it, if the SNES didn't have all the SF 2 games(aka count all the SF 2 games as one game entry), it wouldn't have all that many either, I'm pretty sure the PC-Engine had the most diverse selection of fighters.

ahahahahahah

Art of Fighting
Fatal Fury Special
Dragon Ball Z: Hyper Dimension
Fighter's History: Mizoguchi Kiki Ippatsu!!
Kidou Butoden G-Gundam
Killer Instinct
Mortal Kombat II
Power Instinct
Shin Kidou Senshi Gundam W: Endless Duel
Super V.G. - Variable Geo
World Heroes 2
Yuu Yuu Hakusho Final
Yuu Yuu Hakusho 2: Kakutou no Sho
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3

I'm sure that didn't help(I only recall an advertisement for the system, don't recall any game advertisements), but as far as the major city aspect, I don't think that hurt it at all(most people in the US, live pretty close to a city).

Also I'm not too surprised if it did beat the genny in Japan(don't know if it did or not, so I'll have to take your word, but It's believeable), Sega may be a Japanese company, but before they moved to disc systems, it was very much a US focused company, compared to the Japanese market(they saw the success of the 2600, already had a foot in the door with their Arcade games, so the SMS, and Genny are very much focused(evelutions of that) on the "traditional" US market laid out by Atari)

Atari was dead by the time, but that doesn't mean their games/focus wasn't built on that(it was a combination of the Atari consoles, and their already successful arcade games).

If Sega, and Japan sees it as an evolution of the SG-3000(what are those games like) um ok, different regions can very well see it differently. Well in any case in the US, the other is believed to be the case, which is why the SMS bombed pretty bad(people wanted something different then the atari offered/mess that Atari caused), and why the Genesis did better in the US(people still liked arcade styled games, people just didn't like the flood of clones), then in Japan.

[Thenewguy]

That Ittouryoudan does look pretty cool, what is Flash Hiders like? I'm mainly interested in the exclusive fighters at the moment, would it be best to focus my efforts like this?

Ittouryouden -> Advanced VG -> Asuka 120% -> Ranma 1/2 -> Flash Hiders

[Kamahl]

Flash Hiders has some "RPG" elements, it's kinda cool. I like it the best out of all non Street Fighter 2 non Arcade Card fighters.

[sheath]

I completely disagree that Microsoft has been damaging to the industry, at least in the US. If it weren't for MS Sony would still hold a 70+% dominance on the market and would still be squishing every small developer they touched. Since the PS3 didn't take off like the PS2 did, even Sony has managed to see the relevance of supporting developers with unique ideas. Plus, Xbox Live and Xbox Live Arcade are truly excellent services in any comparison.

Also, I'm not sure there is really any evidence of MS crushing that many developers after buying them out. Some of those developers were stagnating and wanted to be absorbed, especially Rare. I consider what Microsoft did with Bungie exemplary of how they handle their acquisitions. Also, Forza, just saying.

Bottom line, I consider Microsoft the lesser of to weevils in the video game industry. As for the company as a whole, they aren't going to be able to rely on OS dominance anymore for their 12 billion dollars a year of profit.

[StarMist]

I'm mainly interested in the exclusive fighters at the moment, would it be best to focus my efforts like this?

Ittouryouden -> Advanced VG -> Asuka 120% -> Ranma 1/2 -> Flash Hiders

VG is on Saturn and PS in a very nearly if not altogether identical form. Asuka is on both those along with some other consoles as well, though technically different in name/revision which shouldn't be expected to count for much especially to somebody like yourself who doesn't deem new Capcom issues separate games. Both are garbage but then you and I agree on game value what, 5%? If by the bizarre occurrence you've played Sokko Seitokai you'll know what to expect in terms of low calibre graphics, poor art design, and shabby mechanics.

[Iron Lizard]

I completely disagree that Microsoft has been damaging to the industry, at least in the US. If it weren't for MS Sony would still hold a 70+% dominance on the market and would still be squishing every small developer they touched. Since the PS3 didn't take off like the PS2 did, even Sony has managed to see the relevance of supporting developers with unique ideas. Plus, Xbox Live and Xbox Live Arcade are truly excellent services in any comparison.

Also, I'm not sure there is really any evidence of MS crushing that many developers after buying them out. Some of those developers were stagnating and wanted to be absorbed, especially Rare. I consider what Microsoft did with Bungie exemplary of how they handle their acquisitions. Also, Forza, just saying.

Bottom line, I consider Microsoft the lesser of to weevils in the video game industry. As for the company as a whole, they aren't going to be able to rely on OS dominance anymore for their 12 billion dollars a year of profit.

Sorry Sheath i can't help myself..

http://movieclips.com/KcaAM-master-a...f-two-weevils/

[Barone]

VG is on Saturn and PS in a very nearly if not altogether identical form. Asuka is on both those along with some other consoles as well, though technically different in name/revision which shouldn't be expected to count for much especially to somebody like yourself who doesn't deem new Capcom issues separate games. Both are garbage but then you and I agree on game value what, 5%? If by the bizarre occurrence you've played Sokko Seitokai you'll know what to expect in terms of low calibre graphics, poor art design, and shabby mechanics.

Yep.

However, the Saturn version of Advance V.G. is superior to the PS1's. It has some extra graphical touches (released 1 year after the PS1 version) and retains the hentai scenes (for those crazy about it). These two versions are far superior to the PCE CD one, so there's no reason to get this version if you have one of the 32-bit machines and is looking for the best version. If are looking for more PCE CD fighters than it's up to you.
You can find the Saturn version for $20 on ebay. The PS1 version usually goes for the same price range. The PCE CD version can be found for $10-15; but the Saturn version really worths the extra $.
Avoid the inferior SNES version.

Advance V.G. 2 was released only for the PS1, it's rare and pricey. It isn't a revolution compared to the previous games but it's a tad better IMO. For it's usual price, I recommend a download & burn job in this case. (send me a PM if you need help)


IMO the definitive version of Asuka 120% is Asuka 120% Final: Burning Fest. Final for the PS1. But if you want to go with Saturn, Asuka 120% Limited: Burning Fest. Limited is also great. Any of those versions are far superior to the PCE CD game. Don't ask me about the prices...
Asuka 120% had several ports, including systems like X68000 and FM Towns.

[sheath]

Sorry Sheath i can't help myself..

http://movieclips.com/KcaAM-master-a...f-two-weevils/

Awesome, I've been hoping to find that clip. If only I could spell t-w-o when I make a crack.

[NeoZeedeater]

I completely disagree that Microsoft has been damaging to the industry, at least in the US.

They made the most defective hardware of any mainstream system and the public is way too accepting of it. I love how the 360 I bought in 2006 was the most money I had spent on a console yet it died way quicker than anything else as did my first replacement one. Since I wasn't under warranty I never got a third one. I want to play my 360 games again but I don't want to give MS any money.

We really need to end the first-party system (they all hold back the medium in different ways) and go to an industry standard but that's another topic.

[Black_Tiger]

They made the most defective hardware of any mainstream system and the public is way too accepting of it.

You've never heard of the Playstation and Playstation 2?

[eddiespruce]

A friend of mine had to send his 360 back 4 times in less than a year because of the infamous RROD. Doesn't effect me, though, as I wouldn't be caught dead with a console with such horrible games.