Anyone here who doesnt like the Saturn ?

[NeoZeedeater]

I had problems with Sony hardware, too, but they were nowhere near the RROD epidemic. Flipping my PS1 upside down because the laser was dying was kind of funny and annoying at the same time.

[sheath]

I don't like to get too much into conspiracy, but I happen to know that all modern electronics break way too easily compared to the "ancient" stuff I grew up using. The 360 failures was a fiasco, but I don't have many doubts as to why virtually nobody ever talks about DREs on PS1 and PS2, and the PS3's "YLOD" is just sort of quaint when mentioned.

At least Microsoft cleaned up their mess, they've fixed my 360 three times.

[Barone]

I don't like to get too much into conspiracy

It's not a conspiracy, it's a prophecy:
Your PS3/Xbox360/Wii will not be working in 2030 (without several fixes/rebuilds/refurbishes/re... - And I still bet they will be dead) like your Genesis/SNES/PC Engine are working today.

I'm more anxious about the Virtual Console though... I'm just waiting too see all its lovers crying here sooner or later:

[NeoZeedeater]

I don't like to get too much into conspiracy, but I happen to know that all modern electronics break way too easily compared to the "ancient" stuff I grew up using. The 360 failures was a fiasco, but I don't have many doubts as to why virtually nobody ever talks about DREs on PS1 and PS2, and the PS3's "YLOD" is just sort of quaint when mentioned.

At least Microsoft cleaned up their mess, they've fixed my 360 three times.

You're right that modern hardware in general sucks (I had multiple Wiis break when I first got it). There's no pro-Sony bias with me at all anyway. Sony hardware hasn't been reliable and Microsoft somehow managed to be worse in that regard it seems.

[sheath]

I think the three red light error that too many 360s failed with happened too soon after the system's release and actually killed the system, rather than just rendering it inconvenient. I think many Playstation owners just sort of shrugged, turned their system over, or kissed their DVDs goodbye on PS2s. We only got customers asking for repairs when their PS2 actually stopped reading PS2 game discs, and that had to happen right after a major game release or they'd just buy a new console.

Also, I think Microsoft came into the game industry with a lot of negative PR problems. Does anybody remember that MS actually lost a Federal court case regarding Windows 98 having Internet Explorer built in? I was pretty sure that they had to stop including a web browser by default because of that ruling, but it never happened.

I wasn't aware of any problems with Wiis failing, I'd bet that has something to do with it playing on its end in most/many houses though.

[StarMist]

You've never heard of the Playstation and Playstation 2?

Neither of these consoles is close to the 7th gen whose worst offenders are the 360 and Wii. The PS2's primary function didn't break that often either, it was usually the CD lens, as much as which does compromise the machine for backwards compatibility and a small # of PS2 games it's still different from a total breakdown or being limited to online play.
I think the PS broke so much because it was so many people's first CD console, and however many kidgloves members there may be here and on similar sites most people naturally treat their game machines as toys. Should they have known not to treat their expensive CD player more carefully than their MD and SNES? Yep. Should Sony have been obliged to stamp a giant "Caution: this is NOT a cartridge machine" warning on the lid? Nope. Some owners did lose their PS despite good treatment (like me) but the majority of the horror stories come from people who beat their stuff up. And I never heard of that upside-down trick till after I'd got a second console; what's the 360 equivalent? buy a bunch of tools and reflow it? Not the same.
Whatever you think of this comment the PS is nowhere near the disaster level of M$'s burning heatsink, tiny fan, cheap laser, pickpocket piece of shit. Buy that system only to mod.

edit = forgot to mention one of the 360's causes of death was one its own firmware updates.

[NeoZeedeater]

I wasn't aware of any problems with Wiis failing, I'd bet that has something to do with it playing on its end in most/many houses though.

It shouldn't matter as it was supposed to be designed to be placed either way. I never place it vertically myself.

[sheath]

It shouldn't matter as it was supposed to be designed to be placed either way. I never place it vertically myself.

That's true, and I agree. I'm just pretty sure it makes a lot of hardware errors across the PS2, 360 and Wii.

[gamevet]

My launch Dreamcast died 2 weeks after its one year anniversary. What really upset me about that, was that I had paid an extra $20 for a 1 year warranty.

My 360 Elite had the RROD, so I'd sent it in and still had a RROD with its replacement. I found out it was actually the power-supply, and that you're not supposed to lay it on carpet because of heat.

[Kamahl]

Electronics are designed to fail after awhile, either due to cheap construction or "planned obsolescence".

[sheath]

No electronics are designed so well that they can be run for extended periods on carpet without failing. It is a shame that any marketing ever promoted this. Not only does the carpet prevent the vents from doing their job of keeping clean air flow, but carpet is NASTY dirty and cruds up everything.

[Zoltor]

I think the three red light error that too many 360s failed with happened too soon after the system's release and actually killed the system, rather than just rendering it inconvenient. I think many Playstation owners just sort of shrugged, turned their system over, or kissed their DVDs goodbye on PS2s. We only got customers asking for repairs when their PS2 actually stopped reading PS2 game discs, and that had to happen right after a major game release or they'd just buy a new console.

Also, I think Microsoft came into the game industry with a lot of negative PR problems. Does anybody remember that MS actually lost a Federal court case regarding Windows 98 having Internet Explorer built in? I was pretty sure that they had to stop including a web browser by default because of that ruling, but it never happened.

I wasn't aware of any problems with Wiis failing, I'd bet that has something to do with it playing on its end in most/many houses though.

I don't know about the Wii, being on end probally makes it more likely to get damaged. I must've knocked it over like a dozen times already(and It's a dense machine, so that's very bad, not to mention I have a wood floor), yet amazingly so, mine still works perfectly. I think the reasons wii's don't break down, is the same reason other Nintendo Systems don't break down, Nintendo makes very durable systems, not just slapped together, and they definitely have people on quality control.

[StarMist]

Electronics are designed to fail after awhile, either due to cheap construction or "planned obsolescence".

I was going to put this in my earlier post but left it out and lots of other stuff so I wouldn't be led in to a full blown rant.
Consider this my way of repping you which you deserve for this, that Kega Fusion post, and your general intelligence. Oddly enough (and somewhat in disproof of your intelligence) you and I run Kega almost exactly alike, the only difference being I use no scanlines and you use 25% but regret there not being a 10% option which I'm pretty sure I voiced sometime on these boards. But of course it's been inarguable that we think alike since our collaboration on the Kholon Kleanser.

@ gamevet = Are you saying you got an RROD from running the power cord across carpet? I could see that since M$ had to issue a power cord recall on the first Xbox.

[Kamahl]

Actually I don't use the 25% scanline normally, it's too dark. I just happened to be testing it mixed with the brighten option when I took that screenshot. Still too dark.
The best look possible is the MD NTSC plugin in S-Video mode, with it's own scanlines (not the emulator scanlines). Unfortunately only Regen and Gens/GS support this .

[gamevet]

@ gamevet = Are you saying you got an RROD from running the power cord across carpet? I could see that since M$ had to issue a power cord recall on the first Xbox.

Yes and no. The transformer actually has a fan built into it. Little to my knowledge did I even discover that, until I was told that might be the reason why my 360 had a RROD, so I mailed in the old power transformer and got a replacement.

The 360's power transformer must lay on a surface that will provide good airflow. It's the first time I'd seen anything like that.

No electronics are designed so well that they can be run for extended periods on carpet without failing. It is a shame that any marketing ever promoted this. Not only does the carpet prevent the vents from doing their job of keeping clean air flow, but carpet is NASTY dirty and cruds up everything.

The vents are on the top of the 360's power transfomer. The C-64 had a closed case around it's transformer and it worked fine. I guess the problem with laying the 360's transformer on carpet, is that it traps the heat underneatch it, even if the carpet is burr.