Sonic brand in for a major reboot [rumor]

[TheSonicRetard]

I personally think SA2 is worse than SA1 and is probably one of the major lowpoints of the entire series, whilst SA1 has it's flaws, and okay, they are huge flaws, SA2 essentially took the worst of SA1 and put more crap in, way too many 'secondary' stages and yet again, more boring robot controls & emerald hunting (and the idea of hunting is open world, not letting the player hunt out of order is really, really stupid) and more horrible, boring characters.

Oh, and they removed the adventure field too, whilst the adventure field was little more than just a hub world of stages, it was at least cool for the first time running around it.

I completely agree. SA2 brought on the angsty anime-reject storylines as well, which dragged the series down.

Ultimately, the failings of SA2 point to the obvious (which has been confirmed in interviews) - It was built on a shoestring budget. SA1's budget was much, much larger than SA2. And, considering that SA1 was made WITHOUT an SDK (the tools Sonic team created to create SA1 eventually became the dreamcast SDK v 1.0) where as SA2 was built with the final SDK sent out for the dreamcast makes the flaws in each game gain a lot more perspective. And frankly, they're a lot more inexcusable in SA2.

i get the feeling that most people who side with SA2 probably didn't play SA1 first, or at least not on 9/9/99.

[Zoltor]

No I'n saying you wierd Sonic 1, 2 fans tend to only care about speed(aka running straight through the stages, with literally nothing to stop you), which is why many of you don't like Sonic CD that much either(too much thought involved, and speed adjusting, you can't just run right through the entire stage), not to mention you all pine over time challenge modes, and such, so It's very funny to hear you guys complaining about a timed event in SA2.

I'm not gonna debate the differance in quality with the 2 games for hours on end. You guys are turn coats to begin with, so you really don't know which is which. Seriously up until 2 years ago, everyone agreed that SA2 is way better then SA1, and now all of a sudden you guys are hating on SA2 WTF.

[The Jackal]

Ultimately, the failings of SA2 point to the obvious (which has been confirmed in interviews) - It was built on a shoestring budget.

I can believe that. I still liked SA2 though, it has massive replay value for me. Hoping the rumour that it's coming to XBLA is true, would love to own it in HD.

[TheSonicRetard]

I can believe that. I still liked SA2 though, it has massive replay value for me. Hoping the rumour that it's coming to XBLA is true, would love to own it in HD.

FWIW that rumor came out of left field from me. I haven't heard anything about SA2 from anyone I speak to (although I've heard tons about Shenmue II and upcoming saturn titles) but the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence (lol).

[TheSonicRetard]

No I'n saying you wierd Sonic 1, 2 fans tend to only care about speed(aka running straight through the stages, with literally nothing to stop you), which is why many of you don't like Sonic CD that much either(too much thought involved, and speed adjusting, you can't just run right through the entire stage), not to mention you all pine over time challenge modes, and such, so It's very funny to hear you guys complaining about a timed event in SA2.

I'm not gonna debate the differance in quality with the 2 games for hours on end. You guys are turn coats to begin with, so you really don't know which is which. Seriously up until 2 years ago, everyone agreed that SA2 is way better then SA1, and now all of a sudden you guys are hating on SA2 WTF.

Who the fuck are you talking to? Boy, you will not find a bigger Sonic fan on the face of this earth than I. It's blatantly obvious you don't visit many other forums, because I'm not exactly an unknown person. That you lump Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 together shows that you have no understanding of the flow of either game. And SA2 is far more in line with the "only about speed" complaint than either Sonic 1 or Sonic 2.

When you can create this:







Then you may lecture me on how these games work. Because I know this engine like the back of my hand.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Honestly, I think of Sonic 2006 hadn't been the complete broken disaster it was, most of this Sonic Adventure hate wouldn't exist. It's just that after Sonic 2006 it became cool to hate 3D Sonic and say Sonic Adventure was bad. Sure the games have some flaws, but at the time they released not many people really cared. Go back and play the Genesis Sonics and count the bugs and glitches in them. Mario 64 also has it's fair share of bugs and glitches as well. I'm not saying bugs are acceptable, but the bugs in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are far from out of the ordinary and are certainly not game breaking bugs.

The games are still a blast to play and are quite enjoyable. There's nothing wrong with Sega making more games like them. You may not like them, but you are in the minority here. And before you say lots of people don't like them, that group IS the minority here. It's just a very loud and obnoxious minority. If it was the majority opinion the 3D Sonic titles wouldn't be in the greatest hits equivalent of every system they're released for.

And for the people who think they should get rid of all characters including Tails and Knuckles, go play Sonic 1 and shut up.

[TheSonicRetard]

Honestly, I think of Sonic 2006 hadn't been the complete broken disaster it was, most of this Sonic Adventure hate wouldn't exist. It's just that after Sonic 2006 it became cool to hate 3D Sonic and say Sonic Adventure was bad. Sure the games have some flaws, but at the time they released not many people really cared. Go back and play the Genesis Sonics and count the bugs and glitches in them. Mario 64 also has it's fair share of bugs and glitches as well. I'm not saying bugs are acceptable, but the bugs in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are far from out of the ordinary and are certainly not game breaking bugs.

The games are still a blast to play and are quite enjoyable. There's nothing wrong with Sega making more games like them. You may not like them, but you are in the minority here. And before you say lots of people don't like them, that group IS the minority here. It's just a very loud and obnoxious minority. If it was the majority opinion the 3D Sonic titles wouldn't be in the greatest hits equivalent of every system they're released for.

And for the people who think they should get rid of all characters including Tails and Knuckles, go play Sonic 1 and shut up.

No, that's not entirely true. I wrote several articles for publications about how stale the formula was getting when Sonic Heroes launched, and Shadow the Hedgehog made things ever worse. The problem was that each iteration of the same gameplay formula kept breaking more and more things. Sonic Adventure is the best of that particular formula, with Sonic 2006 being the worst, but there is a very direct correlation to review scores and date when they launched. Every single Sonic game got worse scores than the one preceding it. Sonic Adventure launched to bunch of 9 and 10 reviews, Sonic Adventure 2 averaged in the 8 range at launch, Sonic Heroes got mostly 7s, Shadow the hedgehog got many 5s and Sonic 2006 garnered mostly 3s and 4s.

It you were playing every game as they were released (like I was) then the decline in quality was apparent. Sonic 2006 was merely rock bottom.

[Moirai]

They should go back to classic sonic. Get rid of all the characters but Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, classic Amy, and doctor Robotnik.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I admit Shadow and 2006 were bad. I didn't have a problem with SA1 or SA2 though. Sonic Heroes I enjoyed too. My only problem with Heroes was every level was floating islands over a bottomless pit.

And let's not forget that Unleashed and Colors fixed mostly all of the problems the 3D Adventure formula had, yet fans still won't admit or say they are decent games because it's just too much fun to scream 3D Sonic sucks and beg for a new 2D Sonic. And what did that campaign give us? It gave us Sonic 4.

[TheSonicRetard]

They should go back to classic sonic. Get rid of all the characters but Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, classic Amy, and doctor Robotnik.

What was the last Sonic game you played? Because there hasn't been a sonic game where you could play as anybody but Sonic (not counting spin-offs) since Sonic 2006. In the last 2 years, we've seen 3 games released which only feature Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik (Sonic Colors, Sonic 4, and Sonic Generations 3DS).

[TheSonicRetard]

I admit Shadow and 2006 were bad. I didn't have a problem with SA1 or SA2 though. Sonic Heroes I enjoyed too. My only problem with Heroes was every level was floating islands over a bottomless pit.

I refrain from using language like "good" or "bad" because those are simplifications. Rather, I'm saying that each game was noticeably inferior to their immediate predecessor. I'm not saying SA2 is a bad game - in the grand scheme of things it's still one of the better Sonic games - but it wasn't as good as Sonic Adventure. And Sonic Heroes wasn't as good as SA2. And Shadow wasn't as good as Sonic Heroes. And Sonic 2006 wasn't good, period.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Even though 2006 was a broken piece of crap, I did have fun playing through it. Honestly if the thing wasn't rushed out the door so quickly or if they would have patched it I think it could have been decent. You can see they had some interesting ideas in it, they just didn't have time to perfect them.

But yeah, Unleashed and Colors I'd say definitely fixed a lot of the issues that existed in the Adventure formula. Yet annoying fans still don't want to admit it and have more fun saying 3D Sonic sucks and always sucked.

[Chibisteven]

I enjoy both Sonic Adventure games. I grew up with classic Sonic on the Genesis. The adventure games were fun. I stopped playing after Sonic Heroes demo (ran too fucking slow on old PC). I've played the Gameboy Advance games for sometime.

I hear alot of bad stuff about Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 2006, but I was obvious to this because I never played them and was out of the loop with Sonic after SEGA went out of the console bussiness for a long time. As you didn't have to worry about just having Sega consoles to still in the loop, now you have to have every console maker's own console (exclusive shit, better version shit).

[SEGA.GENESIS1989]

TheSonicRetard, could you provide a link to the aforementioned articles that you wrote? I'd be willing to read your material.

Also, what is your overall opinion with respect to the recent Sonic Releases: Namely, Sonic Colors, Sonic 4, and Sonic Generations?

[j_factor]

fishing, racing and boring treasure hunt stages? (that are WAY too easy) no thankyou.

Every single thing he said about the direction of the game applies even more to SA2.

I don't remember fishing and racing in SA2, and the hunting stages were made more difficult.

With SA1, every single other gameplay type was secondary - no character besides Sonic went through every single zone and act in the game, and the Sonic gameplay type was the longest portion of the game.

In SA2, the treasure hunting and shooting stages far, far outnumber the sonic/shadow stages, and they're much worse.

SA2's Sonic and Shadow stages combined are about the same portion of the game as SA1's Sonic stages. The only difference is that the other 2/3rds of the game is split up into more different types of gameplay in SA1. You can argue variety is good, but I honestly didn't care for SA1's Tails, Amy, and Big portions at all. I'll happily exchange them for more shooting and hunting.