Is It Me, or Does the Nintendo 64 SUCK?!

[sheath]

Quick and easy multiplayer would be my best guess, plus, I don't even like trying to install old PC games anymore I doubt most modern gamers would even want to know how.

[The Jackal]

It seemed like Sega forgot they had Xbox servers as after about 2005 their servers were stuck on Christmas until Mircosoft shut down Xbox Live for the Original Xbox.

Yeah about that, I've seen the Xbox version going for pennies, but I've heard it was online only - I'm guessing now that Xbox Live has been shut down, that version is just a paperweight, right?

[Guntz]

Well, I love the N64, so I can get some enjoyment out of almost anything on the system, honestly...

I mean, even some of the worst N64 games I own have some redeeming value -- War Gods is so terrible it's kind of hilarous, MRC and GT64 are bland and generic and aren't very fun but are among the only racing games of their kind (ie, the kind there are a lot of on the PSX and Saturn) on the N64, etc... one of the only ones I can't say anything positive about at all is Dark Rift. That game's just bad.

I also like some games often considered to be awful -- never mind IGN's "it's the worst N64 game ever", I think Carmageddon 64 is a genuinely good game.

... N64 haters are as irrational as they come. Nevermind them...

[A Black Falcon]

Yeah about that, I've seen the Xbox version going for pennies, but I've heard it was online only - I'm guessing now that Xbox Live has been shut down, that version is just a paperweight, right?

You are correct, the only way to even play that game today is to have a hacked xbox.

Blue Burst didn't come out until 2 years later. And technically the US servers didn't even get all the online quests the Gamecube version got. Though after 2007 we have them thanks to private servers. But for a significant amount of time Episode I & II Plus was Gamecube Exclusive. And the Xbox version was honestly a disaster. It seemed like Sega forgot they had Xbox servers as after about 2005 their servers were stuck on Christmas until Mircosoft shut down Xbox Live for the Original Xbox.

That's true, the GC version was the best and most complete version for a while, and still is the most complete console version as far as I know...

[Thenewguy]

MRC and GT64 are bland and generic and aren't very fun but are among the only racing games of their kind (ie, the kind there are a lot of on the PSX and Saturn) on the N64

What kind do you, mean?

Ridge Racer 64, World Driver Championship, the Top Gear games, Beetle Adventure Racing, V-Rally 99, and, Roadsters all kick the crap out of those two games, i'd never see any reason to give them a second look personally.

[Guntz]

Why on earth would anybody play Quake II or Forsaken (or any other FPS available on PC) on N64?

Because sometimes convenience means more than the complete package. I'm not familiar with the older PC FPS games like Quake, Unreal and Duke Nukem, but from what I've played of Quake II on N64, it's really quite good. Set the control layout to make the D-Pad move and the analog stick aim and you're set. It's also much better with the Expansion Pak.

And yeah, I notice Forsaken is more like Descent than a typical FPS game... Doesn't necessarily mean it's worse you know.

[Zoltor]

Among others: "difference", "respectable", "beginning", and "nonetheless". Just throwing that out there.
Zoltor, you are at least 30, if I remember correctly, AND American. Where did it go wrong?

On-topic:

Why on earth would anybody play Quake II or Forsaken (or any other FPS available on PC) on N64?

^ The tactic of a beaten fool, whom can't win his argument: such a person will change the subject, since he can't win. and will start pointing out typos(as long as PCs use a inaccurate interface such as a keyboard, there will be typos, live with it) in hopes to make the person that he lost to, look bad.

[j_factor]

As a quick side note, I've been involved in at least three other GameCube vs N64 debates (along with J_Factor and Gamevet) and they always go down this way. Somehow the console with more exclusive titles is supposed to win, and each side always finds a way to disqualify the other side's picks.

Personally, this is not how I actually judge consoles. Here's how I look at it: If I owned every game for every system that I wanted, what system would I have more games for? Gamecube wouldn't be in the top five, but it would be higher than N64. In other words, it has more good games, IMO. For me, "good games" includes both exclusives and multiplatform games, but when it's the latter, only if it's the best console version of the game, and that's regardless of when they came out.

I can totally see why some people prefer N64 over Gamecube, especially big Nintendo fans. I like plenty of their games, but I am not a big Nintendo fan. I also don't like the N64's many samey collect-a-thon 3D platformers, but I realize some people love that shit. If I had to sum it up in a nutshell, I'd say Gamecube had a more "creative" library, whereas N64 had a lot more "safe" titles (like those 3D platformers). I love games like Billy Hatcher, P.N. 03, and Go! Go! Hypergrind. These games are not for everyone, and don't necessarily appeal to fans of Super Mario 64, but they appeal to me.

I get roped into these arguments because people say silly things.

[Thenewguy]

I'm not familiar with the older PC FPS games like Quake, Unreal and Duke Nukem, but from what I've played of Quake II on N64, it's really quite good. Set the control layout to make the D-Pad move and the analog stick aim and you're set. It's also much better with the Expansion Pak.

As has been mentioned, unlike the PS1 version, Quake II (N64) is not actually a direct port, the level layouts have all been changed, and it has a slightly more GoldenEye-esque structure (go find bomb, blow this up, start up satellite dish etc), there is also a more traditional level based structure.

Its also quite tough in comparison to be honest.

I wouldn't go as far as saying its like Doom 64 though (ie its not like a completely new game), as a lot of the art assets are the same, and every now and then when you run through some levels you think "ah yes, I remember this section from the PC game"

I'd say Gamecube had a more "creative" library, whereas N64 had a lot more "safe" titles (like the 3D platformers I just mentioned). I love games like Billy Hatcher, P.N. 03, and Go! Go! Hypergrind.

The more I play Glover on N64, the more I realise Billy Hatcher is highly derivative of it.

[Olls]

^ The tactic of a beaten fool, whom can't win his argument: such a person will change the subject, since he can't win. and will start pointing out typos(as long as PCs use a inaccurate interface such as a keyboard, there will be typos, live with it) in hopes to make the person that he lost to, look bad.

What argument? We weren't in one, lol. Those aren't accidental typos, since you always misspell the same words. I thought I'd be friendly and point them out to you. Might learn something.

To j_factor: that's exactly how I feel about the cube.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

^ The tactic of a beaten fool, whom can't win his argument: such a person will change the subject, since he can't win. and will start pointing out typos(as long as PCs use a inaccurate interface such as a keyboard, there will be typos, live with it) in hopes to make the person that he lost to, look bad.

You're not making typos. You're making grammatical errors and flat out misusing words.

tihs is a typo.

These is a grammatical error.

See the difference? You're just not using words properly and flat out don't know how to spell. On top of it you don't even check before you post. Here's a tip, most browsers these days will spell check for you just like a Word Processor will. We weren't pointing this out to try and change the subject, we were pointing out these flaws on top of your already flawed logic. If I wanted to change the topic I'd just do this:

[Zoltor]

Personally, this is not how I actually judge consoles. Here's how I look at it: If I owned every game for every system that I wanted, what system would I have more games for? Gamecube wouldn't be in the top five, but it would be higher than N64. In other words, it has more good games, IMO. For me, "good games" includes both exclusives and multiplatform games, but when it's the latter, only if it's the best console version of the game, and that's regardless of when they came out.

I can totally see why some people prefer N64 over Gamecube, especially big Nintendo fans. I like plenty of their games, but I am not a big Nintendo fan. I also don't like the N64's many samey collect-a-thon 3D platformers, but I realize some people love that shit.

If I had to sum it up in a nutshell, I'd say Gamecube had a more "creative" library, whereas N64 had a lot more "safe" titles (like the 3D platformers I just mentioned). I love games like Billy Hatcher, P.N. 03, and Go! Go! Hypergrind. These games are very much not for everyone, but they appeal to me.

I'm sorry I disagree that a system is better, just becuase it has a more creative library over a console you may claim played it safe. If the so called creative game Isn't atleast a high end very good game, who cares, it would be much better to release so called safe games that are awesome, then these not so great creative games.

Also it should be pointed out, just because It's a creative game, doesn't mean it would offer as much gameplay as other games(look at the new conceptional genre or these music/rythm games, sure they're unique, but how long could you play such a game before getting bored).

[gamevet]

This is irrelevant and doesn't make any difference, my original reply was still relevant regardless, You were still the one to bring up 3rd party exclusives first.

No, I was not.

I said it had better 3rd party exclusives from those publishers. Not it had more good 3rd party exclusives. Reading is fundamental.

You on the other hand.....

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...l=1#post421817

No it didn't, thats pretty ridiculously off base I'm afraid, you could argue Gamecube had better 3rd party support, but it was all focussed on ports from PS2.

The only worthwhile exclusives on Gamecube are 1st/2nd party, or made by Sega

And AGAIN, Resident Evil 4 is NOT exclusive, coming out 6 months earlier on Gamecube doesn't suddently change the definition of a word, it makes it an original, I'm not counting originals, if I was that N64 list would've been twice as long anyway, Rayman 2 "was" exclusive to N64 for a few months by your definition, as was Bangai-O, Winback, and a ton of other games.

I don't know about you, but I generally buy good games when they first come out. I didn't wait 9 months to play Resident Evil 4 on the PS2, when I can play the better version of the Gamecube. And who cares about the present, because most of those great N64 games haven't aged well (I'm looking at you Blast Corps) at all.

Also Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid are not exclusives, they're remakes

Resident Evil Remake is a complete overhaul of the original title. You have more areas to explore, new puzzles, new enemies, new cutscenes, 10 different endings, new defensive moves and graphics that are 10X better than the original. It's like playing a whole different game in the series.

You can say that the Twin Snakes isn't an exclusive, but I doubt PS2 owners looked at it that way.

REmake wasn't part of the Capcom 5, the Capcom 5 were announced in late 2002 and were all supposedly going to be Gamecube exclusives, they were Resident Evil 4, Dead Phoenix, PN03, Viewtiful Joe, and Killer 7.

Who said that REmake was a part of the Capcom 5? Either your reading comprehension skills suck, or you're a bad debater. I'm sorry, but some of the points you come up with, are a total spin on what is being said.

Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe, and Resident Evil 4 all ended up ported, PN03 was panned, and Dead Phoenix was cancelled

Again, this whole exclusive stuff is going right over your head.

That whole "Capcom 5" BS was one of the shittiest, most disappointing things about owning a Gamecube back in the day.

Separately to the Capcom 5, Capcom decided that they had a new audience who'd missed out on the Resident Evil series that they could dump old software onto to make some easy money.

Really, who cares? Gamecube owners got titles from a respectable developer/publisher before anyone else got to play them. I was just happy to see that Capcom provided better support for the Gamecube, after the little support they gave the N64.

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I'm probably going to carry it over until the end of 1997, as there were a lot of christmas releases that arrived just after the cut-off point.

Please don't. We all know what came out for the N64. You haven't posted any games I didn't play or hadn't heard of.

Well, I love the N64, so I can get some enjoyment out of almost anything on the system, honestly...

I mean, even some of the worst N64 games I own have some redeeming value -- War Gods is so terrible it's kind of hilarous, MRC and GT64 are bland and generic and aren't very fun but are among the only racing games of their kind (ie, the kind there are a lot of on the PSX and Saturn) on the N64, etc... one of the only ones I can't say anything positive about at all is Dark Rift. That game's just bad.

I also like some games often considered to be awful -- never mind IGN's "it's the worst N64 game ever", I think Carmageddon 64 is a genuinely good game.

I get the feeling that a lot of N64 owners were kids at the time, so they pretty much were in this bubble of gaming groups that played certain games. It's almost like they ignored the fact that they were missing out on better games, or were happy to play to death a few great games a year.

It's cool, I can see where you're coming from. I like the console, but I feel it could of had a more diverse library than it had. It was still my 3rd console of choice to play in that generation, but it had its moments of greatness.

[Olls]

And yeah, I notice Forsaken is more like Descent than a typical FPS game... Doesn't necessarily mean it's worse you know.

It's not, but Forsaken is of course miles better on PC. The only thing lacking is the split screen option, but I don't know if that's worth playing a butchered game for. Can simply play online/LAN instead.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

This is why the Gamecube wins: