Is It Me, or Does the Nintendo 64 SUCK?!

[TrekkiesUnite118]

If you are locked in a bunker, how can you miss out on DLC for a new game if you can't even purchase said new game in the first place? That's the flaw in the logic right there.

For games you already have, download the DLC before you go in the bunker. You can download the Arcade titles you want before you go in the bunker as well. Yeah, you lose Netflix, but you lose that on the Wii as well. And you are going to lose both offline and online multiplayer on all consoles anyways because YOU ARE LOCKED IN A BUNKER BY YOURSELF!

So how is this different from other consoles now?

[JCU]

If you are locked in a bunker, how can you miss out on DLC for a new game if you can't even purchase said new game in the first place? That's the flaw in the logic right there.

For games you already have, download the DLC before you go in the bunker. You can download the Arcade titles you want before you go in the bunker as well. Yeah, you lose Netflix, but you lose that on the Wii as well. And you are going to lose both offline and online multiplayer on all consoles anyways because YOU ARE LOCKED IN A BUNKER BY YOURSELF!

So how is this different from other consoles now?

If I am able to play a portion of a game (multi-player specifically) would I still get the same gaming experience if I wasn't connected? No you are not. Are you aware that many games you buy (arcade or retail) include the MP aspect as part of the price? I ask you again: Would you only want to
play a portion of a game. I know I wouldn't.

The Wii is not pushed as an entertainment system like the 360 and PS3 nor is it pushed as a wet dream for someone who loves MP. Many of the big named titles on the Wii don't have any reason to connect online. That can't be said for other systems though. When I play Skyward Sword in a few moments I can turn my modem off and I'd never be effected.

[gamevet]

I played the campaign for Killzone 3, MW3, Crysis and Crysis 2. I haven't played an online game in over 6 months. Uncharted 3 has a multiplayer option, but that's not why you buy uncharted.

Just about every movie has director's commentary available. It doesn't mean everyone wants to use it.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

If I am able to play a portion of a game (multi-player specifically) would I still get the same gaming experience if I wasn't connected? No you are not. Are you aware that many games you buy (arcade or retail) include the MP aspect as part of the price? I ask you again: Would you only want to
play a portion of a game. I know I wouldn't.

The Wii is not pushed as an entertainment system like the 360 and PS3 nor is it pushed as a wet dream for someone who loves MP. Many of the big named titles on the Wii don't have any reason to connect online. That can't be said for other systems though. When I play Skyward Sword in a few moments I can turn my modem off and I'd never be effected.

Do you not understand the hypothetical situation here?

YOU ARE LOCKED IN A FUCKING BUNKER WITH NO LINKS TO THE OUTSIDE!

Who the fuck cares if you can't play online multiplayer on your PS3 or 360? You can't even play Local Multiplayer on your Sega Genesis either for crying out loud! Why you ask? BECAUSE YOU ARE LOCKED IN A FUCKING BUNKER WITH ABSOLUTELY NO ONE TO PLAY WITH BUT YOURSELF!

Seriously, the multiplayer excuse is valid for all consoles in this situation, so how are the 360 and PS3 any different in this case? You can still play single player campaigns of all those games. And those systems have plenty of great single player games as well.

[JCU]

1.) Is the average DVD or BR pushed with commentary as being a large aspect of the purchase?
2.) With the exception of a BR that has BD Live, I don't need to be connected to the web in order to utilize all of the features.

Surely you won't dispute that online multi-player is a large aspect of many games these days that offers an experience rivaling or even bettering an actual campaign. Whether you use it sparingly or frequently or not at all, it's still a part of the game.

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Do you not understand the hypothetical situation here?

YOU ARE LOCKED IN A FUCKING BUNKER WITH NO LINKS TO THE OUTSIDE!

Who the fuck cares if you can't play online multiplayer on your PS3 or 360? You can't even play Local Multiplayer on your Sega Genesis either for crying out loud! Why you ask? BECAUSE YOU ARE LOCKED IN A FUCKING BUNKER WITH ABSOLUTELY NO ONE TO PLAY WITH BUT YOURSELF!

Seriously, the multiplayer excuse is valid for all consoles in this situation, so how are the 360 and PS3 any different in this case? You can still play single player campaigns of all those games. And those systems have plenty of great single player games as well.

If you can't connect to the net (with a system that needs it) why would I use it? Why wouldn't I just take a system that is not handicapped when the net is unavailable? It's like having a discussion with a rock.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

The systems don't NEED it though. They can perform perfectly fine with out it, just like the Wii. Your complaint is lack of multiplayer, patches, and DLC. Multiplayer you are going to lose on all consoles in this situation, because you're not going to have anyone to play with. So if you're going to hold that against the 360 and PS3 hold it against the Wii too. DLC you can get before you would go into the bunker in this case, same for patches. And even without it, those games are still able to be played without the DLC or patches. You're acting like without internet these games won't even play and that your 360/PS3 is bricked without it. When that's simply not the case.

Sure multiplayer is a big part of games these days, but you're going to lose it on your Wii too, so how are the 360 and PS3 any different? And before you say Wii games don't depend on multiplayer, I'll point you to Smash Bros, MarioKart, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, and all the Mario Party games.

And I buy my DVDs/Blu Rays for the Movies that are on them, not for a bunch of commentary. The 2nd disc in most my DVD cases have never even seen the inside of a DVD player.

[gamevet]

1.) Is the average DVD or BR pushed with commentary as being a large aspect of the purchase?
2.) With the exception of a BR that has BD Live, I don't need to be connected to the web in order to utilize all of the features.

You're hitting Zoltar levels of stupidity here. Commentary, deleted scenes and BD Live are just added features. They are not a requirement for watching the movie. Some people just watch the movie and have no need for the added features. The same with games. Just because a game has the option to take it online to go against other people, doesn't mean everyone buys a game to do that.

Surely you won't dispute that online multi-player is a large aspect of many games these days that offers an experience rivaling or even bettering an actual campaign. Whether you use it sparingly or frequently or not at all, it's still a part of the game.

This has nothing to do with the choice of console you'd have, if you only had the choice taking one with you. I honestly don't believe you have owned or played a PS3, or 360. It's no different than any other console, unless you choose to take advantage of the perks that come with using the online content.

I can still play my old Xbox, even though it doesn't have any online availability anymore. Does that mean that Panzer Dragoon Orta is no good now?

Edit:

If you can't connect to the net (with a system that needs it) why would I use it? Why wouldn't I just take a system that is not handicapped when the net is unavailable? It's like having a discussion with a rock.

That's the point. You don't need an internet connection to enjoy gaming on a 360 or PS3.

Like I said earlier, with my PS3, I have the option of playing Playstation, PS2 or PS3 games. I would have thousands of games to choose from, even if only 85% of my PS3 games functioned properly without the internet.

[old man]

Based on the posts in the last two pages, I'm going to assume that the N64 does not suck.

[gamevet]

Based on the posts in the last two pages, I'm going to assume that the N64 does not suck.

4 out of 5 bunkers would choose another system.

[Zoltor]

Hold it right there, it may be just a option for the PS3, fair enough, but 360 games are based completely around online multiplayer in most cases, so little effort is put into the so called single player mode in 360 games, it might as well not have a single player mode at all(the horrible single player modes in many 360 games is legendary for crying out loud, that's how bad it is).

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Yeah, it's so awful when my 360 isn't online. I can't play any of the following games at all:

Sonic Unleashed
Sonic Generations
Star Ocean the Last Hope
Tales of Vesperia
Forza 3
Halo ODST
Street Fighter 4
Super Street Fighter 4
Marvel vs Capcom 3
Virtua Fighter 5
Daytona USA
REZ HD
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
Street Fighter II HD Remix
Star Trek Legacy
Phantasy Star Universe
Sonics Ultimate Genesis Collection
Dodonpachi Resurrection
Tekken 6
Dead or Alive 4
Soul Calibur 4
Soul Calibur 5
Mass Effect 1-3
Resident Evil 5
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Skyrim
Oblivion
[just about every other 360 game here]
...

Oh wait, all those games are perfectly playable and enjoyable offline.

[gamevet]

Hold it right there, it may be just a option for the PS3, fair enough, but 360 games are based completely around online multiplayer in most cases, so little effort is put into the so called single player mode in 360 games, it might as well not have a single player mode at all(the horrible single player modes in many 360 games is legendary for crying out loud, that's how bad it is).

Legendary?

Let's take a look at my 360 games, that aren't focused around multiplayer.


World Series of Poker 2008
Grand Theft Auto IV
Fallout 3
Fallout: New Vegas
The Orange Box
Mass Effect 1&2
Lost Odyssey
Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
Forza 2
Halo Wars
Sega Rally Revo
Two Worlds
Burnout: Paradise
Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection
Culdcept Saga
Rockband 1 & 2
Ace Combat 6
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved
Pac-Man CE
Guitar Hero: Smash Hits
Guitar Hero 2
Raiden IV
Red Dead Redemption
Raiden Fighters
The Beatles Rock Band
Super C
Tiger Woods 07
Deadly Promonition
Project Gotham Racing 4
Super Street Fighter 4
Radiant Silvergun

I have more games that were downloaded from LIVE, but I'm not listing them.

[j_factor]

Based on the posts in the last two pages, I'm going to assume that the N64 does not suck.

I'm generally one of the N64 haters, but even I wouldn't say it outright sucks. It's not great, but it doesn't suck.

[MrMatthews]

Hold it right there, it may be just a option for the PS3, fair enough, but 360 games are based completely around online multiplayer in most cases, so little effort is put into the so called single player mode in 360 games, it might as well not have a single player mode at all(the horrible single player modes in many 360 games is legendary for crying out loud, that's how bad it is).

Man, do you even have a 360?

Oh, wait... I keep forgetting that you're special and, unlike the rest of us mortals, don't need to actually play any of the games you're talking about in order to know everything about them.

[Splatterhouse5]

Hold it right there, it may be just a option for the PS3, fair enough, but 360 games are based completely around online multiplayer in most cases, so little effort is put into the so called single player mode in 360 games, it might as well not have a single player mode at all(the horrible single player modes in many 360 games is legendary for crying out loud, that's how bad it is).

Dude, I had my 360 in a South American country for 4 years without an internet connection. Trust me, I didn't need it to have a blast with the system. As much fun as I thought COD 4's online was, the single player campaign is fantastic. As fas as I know, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, SW: the Force Unleashed, and Bioshock didn't even offer online multiplayer - I spent an insane amount of time playing each offline. And, yes, Rock band 1 & 2, Sega All-Star Racing, SF4 were fun enough single player or local multiplayer.

I really don't get where the idea came from that a 360 is useless without an internet connection. Xbox Live is certainly a nice feature, but it's not a necessary one.