Super Nintendo Love/Hate Relationship

[TVC 15]

I started playing the Megadrive first, in fact it was my first ever exposure to gaming, alongside the obscure DOS game Gorrillas on my Dad's old IBM compatible. But I will be totally honest I was more the SNES guy back in the day, I loved all the fanboy favourites, Donkey Kong, Super Mario World, Mario Kart etc.

Looking back It kind of felt like the SNES was almost 'aspirational' all the cool better off kids had them in my area, and the poorer families had a Megadrive, much like having a N64 and owning real games for it! The Playstation on the other hand seemed like the whored out VHS cassette round my parts with the whole copying scene. I digress anyway...

I've kind of got bored of the whole SNES scene, emulation and Roms fit perfectly with SNES, where with the Megadrive, and funnily enough the NES, you lose half the fun with emulating, and more implicitly explains the game designs of many SNES games, very slick but moderate, with a lot more RPG's. In era of increasingly diminishing attention spans its can be no surprise the SNES is a fanboi favourite, when most rom kiddies spam the internet and get hooked, most of the best games have SRAM and are less initially frustrating.

The Saturn was the console that solidified my Sega Fan status along with the Dreamcast, years later I bought a Mega CD from a carboot sale, and began investing more quality time with my old megadrive that was growing dusty. I'd say thats when I solidified my preference especially after my disappointment with the Gamecube, which imo I'm actually more favourable toward the Wii than the GC, the Wii bashing has meant I've been more pleasantly surprised by some of the titles, where the GC was just a massive overhyped disappointment.

Its all swings and roundabouts really. Sometimes I (like I'm sure many here) just enjoy being a little misanthropic and intentionally wind-up Super Nintendo fans, with all the fan service it gets. Wether you agree or disagree with the SNES bashing, we are restoring some Karmic balance toward all the Nintendo brown-nosing.

The SNES? I just keep it around for Super Metroid and F-Zero, the real titles that make the SNES worthy in my eyes.

[MrSega]

I started playing the Megadrive first, in fact it was my first ever exposure to gaming, alongside the obscure DOS game Gorrillas on my Dad's old IBM compatible. But I will be totally honest I was more the SNES guy back in the day, I loved all the fanboy favourites, Donkey Kong, Super Mario World, Mario Kart etc.

Looking back It kind of felt like the SNES was almost 'aspirational' all the cool better off kids had them in my area, and the poorer families had a Megadrive, much like having a N64 and owning real games for it! The Playstation on the other hand seemed like the whored out VHS cassette round my parts with the whole copying scene. I digress anyway...

I've kind of got bored of the whole SNES scene, emulation and Roms fit perfectly with SNES, where with the Megadrive, and funnily enough the NES, you lose half the fun with emulating, and more implicitly explains the game designs of many SNES games, very slick but moderate, with a lot more RPG's. In era of increasingly diminishing attention spans its can be no surprise the SNES is a fanboi favourite, when most rom kiddies spam the internet and get hooked, most of the best games have SRAM and are less initially frustrating.

The Saturn was the console that solidified my Sega Fan status along with the Dreamcast, years later I bought a Mega CD from a carboot sale, and began investing more quality time with my old megadrive that was growing dusty. I'd say thats when I solidified my preference especially after my disappointment with the Gamecube (which imo I'm favourable toward the Wii than the GC)

Its all swings and roundabouts really. Sometimes I just being misanthropic toward Super Nintendo fans and intentionally winding them up, wether you agree or disagree with the SNES bashing, we are restoring some Karmic balance toward all the Nintendo brown-nosing.

The SNES? I just keep it around for Super Metroid and F-Zero, titles that make the SNES worthy in my eyes.

Saturn and Nintendo 64 have aged with grace. Saturn is a greek tragedy of a console that was truly a powerhouse, it was the corporate civil war and internal division at SEGA during the mid 90s that crushed its potential.


Mega CD/Sega CD is an underrated, but decent piece of history. Excluding the FMV shovelwhere, it had its share of great games worth owning.

[soviet]

I am a loyal,hardcore SEGA fan. I avoided the entire 7th gen. I detest Wii, think Gamecube is lame, consider the PS1 to be a dated piece of hardware crap that's aged poorly, and have been holding on the hope that SEGA will get back in the hardware business for several years.

All the studying and research of ORBI this year has ignited that hope into a BLAZE. The brand states that SEGA is INDEED coming back.

http://trademarks.justia.com/855/17/orbi-85517210.html

SEGA has also been busy in the patent dept and RENEWED all of its hardware liceneses in 2009.

I am very touched！！！！ O(∩_∩)O

[The Coop]

There's one video on YouTube about Thunder Spirits that I can't find but I left a comment there LONG ago about me saying how the music on the genesis version fucking sucked and telling people they were jealous that the genesis version couldn't sound as the snes version.

You were a vile, evil man

[Moirai]

I am a loyal,hardcore SEGA fan. I avoided the entire 7th gen. I detest Wii, think Gamecube is lame.

The gamecube and the wii may have quite a few bad titles and ports on them, and are flooded with lots of shovelware. However, both systems do have some really excellent hidden gems on them. For example, for the gamecube, here's some of my favorite overlooked titles: Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest, Super Monkey Ball series, Star fox adventures (originally called Dinosaur Planet. When you play it, dont think of it as a star fox game or you will be dissapointed. its actually more like legend of zelda on the N64) For the wii, Sin & Punishment Star Successor is excellent, as well as Muramasa: The Demon Blade, which has some of the best 2D graphics of any game ever made... there are more excellent games for both systems too.

In other words, there are plenty of good titles on GC and Wii. But, for some reason none of them ever sell well. S&P didn't sell well at all for the wii in the US, and the sales of Muramasa where nearly nonexistent in the US.

[MrSega]

I am very touched！！！！ O(∩_∩)O

Finally! Some more believers!

I'm glad, because Sega Forums is too strict. The Admin Julian/Clumsyorchid, is very belligerent and likes to kill ANY Sega speculation without saying why. He just denies all of it and then deletes the topic.



SEGA has overcome all the odds, I'll never forget that year 11 years ago when it looked like SEGA was going under and on how for most of the 2000s, people wandered if they were going to survive another 5 years. They did it.

They Survived. Unlike Atari,Mattel,Coleco who all went under several years after leaving the hardware business, and unlike NEC who abandoned gaming altogether, SEGA has remained strong and shown that they will never give up.

People that talk smack about their finances don't realize that SEGASammy has been making most of its strong profit and revenue outside of 3rd party publishing. That's why they can re-form and re-organize into Sega Orbi.

[MrSega]

The gamecube and the wii may have quite a few bad titles and ports on them, and are flooded with lots of shovelware. However, both systems do have some really excellent hidden gems on them. For example, for the gamecube, here's some of my favorite overlooked titles: Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest, Super Monkey Ball series, Star fox adventures (originally called Dinosaur Planet. When you play it, dont think of it as a star fox game or you will be dissapointed. its actually more like legend of zelda on the N64) For the wii, Sin & Punishment Star Successor is excellent, as well as Muramasa: The Demon Blade, which has some of the best 2D graphics of any game ever made... there are more excellent games for both systems too.

In other words, there are plenty of good titles on GC and Wii. But, for some reason none of them ever sell well. S&P didn't sell well at all for the wii in the US, and the sales of Muramasa where nearly nonexistent in the US.

Gamecube has a few hits, mostly Gems among coals. Resident Evil 0, Mario Kart Double Dash,RE 4,Sonic Heroes, Twilight Princess are just some of the passable titles on Gamecube. Other than that, Nintendo really dropped the ball on its execution.

[marlowe221]

This is an interesting topic for me since I grew up with the SNES and only got a Genesis for Christmas last year (I have a wonderful soon-to-be-wife).

The Genesis was a console I always wanted as a kid - SNES was the one I had. Don't get me wrong, I liked it well enough at the time. I still like a few select titles quite a bit. And, admittedly, there are still a few games that are widely considered classics for the system that I still have not played. But overall, the system feels very stale to me now and I cannot drum up enough interest to track down those unplayed classics or to replay the ones I know well.

So it's only now, at the age of 30, that I am discovering the SEGA universe. With nostalgia basically at zero I am coming to every game I try with a fresh set of eyes and an open mind. It's been a ton of fun. I have even found myself having Master System thoughts lately...

But yeah, SNES craziness is out of control on the interwebs these days, and prices are insane. Sure, the SNES had its fair share of good games. It had its fair share of great games and even a few legendary ones. But as a percentage those games were the minority. Most SNES games were crap to mediocre, just like those of any other system of that generation or otherwise. But to hear the fanboys talk you would think the console farts glitter and shits rose petals. I mean, I liked the console too but let's be realistic shall we?

Plus most of the blind Nintendo lovers like to ignore all of the horribly illegal and draconian shit they pulled back in the 80s and 90s to squelch any competition. I have read threads on this forum in my lurker days about how (for example) the NES had SOOOO many more great games than the SMS - yeah, because they were CHEATING!

Sincerely,

A recent SEGA convert.

[GeckoYamori]

I rented the SNES occasionally. Back then the SNES seemed more exotic and better. There were plenty of games I read about but never got to play. Over time though I've played most of the "essential" library on both systems and come to the conclusion that JRPGs just aren't for me, which was the machine's strong point.

[xelement5x]

After reading all responses I had to go back and read the original question again...

I bought my Genesis as a kid after saving up for it, I could have gotten a SNES but the Genesis was what I'd really wanted so I stuck with that and loved it. I've still got my original Genesis and all it's paperwork and boxes, then eventually grabbed a SegaCD once I could save up for that and was enthralled.

As a kid I'd never even considered a SNES, and I didn't buy one from a friend until about 1998 or so when I when I was in high school. I'd gotten more into RPGs at that point (and still am), so the SNES was the place to look for all the classic Square titles. I still appreciate the SNES for a lot of the unique titles it has, plus some very cool JP exclusives, so I still keep the SNES hooked up, but it and N64 share hookups. I definitely play my Genesis/Sega CD a lot more than anything else.

[gamevet]

Where did the name car boot come from?

[MrSega]

This is an interesting topic for me since I grew up with the SNES and only got a Genesis for Christmas last year (I have a wonderful soon-to-be-wife).

The Genesis was a console I always wanted as a kid - SNES was the one I had. Don't get me wrong, I liked it well enough at the time. I still like a few select titles quite a bit. And, admittedly, there are still a few games that are widely considered classics for the system that I still have not played. But overall, the system feels very stale to me now and I cannot drum up enough interest to track down those unplayed classics or to replay the ones I know well.

So it's only now, at the age of 30, that I am discovering the SEGA universe. With nostalgia basically at zero I am coming to every game I try with a fresh set of eyes and an open mind. It's been a ton of fun. I have even found myself having Master System thoughts lately...

But yeah, SNES craziness is out of control on the interwebs these days, and prices are insane. Sure, the SNES had its fair share of good games. It had its fair share of great games and even a few legendary ones. But as a percentage those games were the minority. Most SNES games were crap to mediocre, just like those of any other system of that generation or otherwise. But to hear the fanboys talk you would think the console farts glitter and shits rose petals. I mean, I liked the console too but let's be realistic shall we?

Plus most of the blind Nintendo lovers like to ignore all of the horribly illegal and draconian shit they pulled back in the 80s and 90s to squelch any competition. I have read threads on this forum in my lurker days about how (for example) the NES had SOOOO many more great games than the SMS - yeah, because they were CHEATING!

Sincerely,

A recent SEGA convert.

Nintendo were extremely neo conservative in the 80s. Back in '85, they felt it was their duty to rebuild the American video game market. By 1986,they had accomplished their goal and saw it fit to preserve that. So for 3 years they became a Czar, locking all of its 3rd party partners under contract and robbed Sega Master System of software support.

But the silver lining is that after Nintendo monopolized in the latter 80s, 10% of what was left over was given to SEGA. Atari also had 10%, but SEGA snatched that up pretty quickly.

Nintendo's fanbase is full of insane,elitist ideologs now in days. Most of them don't even remember the N64, and weren't even alive during NES's heyday. And were only born during the SNES days or shortly after.

SEGA is the only company I know who was extraordinary when it came to console design and innovation. SEGA also pioneered and tried things no one dared to at the time.

Master System introduced the "Mini Game" concept with its built in game and it was also more inexpensive and easier to program during NES.

Genesis/MD is the true winner of the 4th console generation. Genesis had appeal,addictive gameplay, strong B+ 3rd party library, AA 1st party games, memorable music, and lots of originality.

SEGA CD was underpowered, but since it wasn't a stop gap console, it held its own with its solid library.

32X/Mars is in my opinion SEGA's only mis-step. Blame it on Sega Amusements USA.

Saturn should have CONQUERED Playstation. It was more powerful, more sophisticated, more innovative, more dignified but it was too complex for people. Shenmue showed that it could compete against N64 and leave that P.O.S. low key 32-bit hardware toilet PS1 in the dust.

Dreamcast had extreme promise, but the decline of the Arcade market and mismanagement of the Saturn years, cut off the funding for it that would have kept it going.


SEGA can do it, I have every reason to belief that they have a Tablet console planned. They filed a trademark for one called "KIDS PAD" last year and recently issued a "Computer Tablet" trademark on September 11,2012.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8264624.html


This is what we need right now. Not some gimmicky iPad controller crap like Wii U. An ACTUAL tablet based console.

Also in the ORBI brand, this description was found:

"hand held electronic games, namely, handheld electronic games adapted for use with television receivers; handheld game apparatus with liquid crystal displays; electronic hand-held game units for use with an external display screen;"

[gamevet]

The Master System wasn't the first console to have a built-in game.

[DarkDragon]

Saturn should have CONQUERED Playstation. It was more powerful, more sophisticated, more innovative, more dignified but it was too complex for people. Shenmue showed that it could compete against N64 and leave that P.O.S. low key 32-bit hardware toilet PS1 in the dust.

LOL really ? Ok. I dont wanna argue with a Saturn fanboy but all I know is Playstation had Square/Enix and they totally delievered on the PSX and they alone made it a console worth owning. If you wanna say Saturn should have conquered the N64 then I wont argue.

[MrSega]

LOL really ? Ok. I dont wanna argue with a Saturn fanboy but all I know is Playstation had Square/Enix and they totally delievered on the PSX and they alone made it a console worth owning. If you wanna say Saturn should have conquered the N64 then I wont argue.

Square no longer supporting Nintendo was a lucky move for Sony. Don't get me wrong, PS1 had plenty of stellar games, but its hardware which is similar to Namco System 22 is garbage.