Sonic Fan Film

[tim333]

Arguments that should be banned from any discussion:
- "I'd like to see you do better"
- "You're just afraid of change"
- "You're just a hater"
- "That's just your opinion"

Agreed on all counts there. Those are shitty non-arguments that seek to invalidate an argument without even addressing its content.

[Soulis]

Arguments that should be banned from any discussion:
- "I'd like to see you do better"
- "You're just afraid of change"
- "You're just a hater"
- "That's just your opinion"

I agree, especially for the first two.

[NeoVamp]

[Slutty]

Well remember that it's not like it's a big budget feature length film by Sega. Just some goofy little thing. No reason to get too upset over it. I hate to say it, but if this were a big deal coming from Sega... it probably wouldn't be much different. :/

[NeoVamp]

No reason to get too upset over it.

It's just sad when you have good Sega/Sonic memories and can't really share it with anyone because those weird Sonic fans made it into such an embarrassing thing.

[Soulis]

Well remember that it's not like it's a big budget feature length film by Sega. Just some goofy little thing.

I disagree. Some people worked too hard for this thing. Just because its a fan project doesn't mean that it doesn't require work. The biggest difference is that fewer, probably less experienced people are involved. But for those people, especially the creator, its a big thing. Probably the biggest achievement in the director's life. What if the same director had to make a Ηollywood big budget movie? The effects would be better, it would involve more popular actors and the production values would be higher. But the point would be still missed.

[Slutty]

It's just sad when you have good Sega/Sonic memories and can't really share it with anyone because those weird Sonic fans made it into such an embarrassing thing.

Well I definitely agree with you on that. All I'm saying is. Imagine if this was a real movie shown in theaters and everyone who saw it started thinking this was what Sonic is supposed to be. Just be thankful this isn't one of those cases. Kind of like myself being a huge vampire fan (Bram Stoker, Nosferatu, and of course Castlevania) and then those stupid Twilight things got popular and some teenage girl tries to correct me on something about vampires. So I understand exactly what you mean. Let's just be thankful this is only a short film by some jackass director. lol

Also ^ I agree with you completely. Believe me I prefer and love independent and low budget films more than you know. All I'm saying is, although this is pretty crap, we are lucky it's not big enough to influence. (Hopefully) But I know no name stuff like this often takes more work than some Hollywood movie and definitely most of the time has more meaning and care. This we can see the people involved did not have the same care for the Sonic series like we did and is going primarily off what is new and recognizable to audiences (by this I mean a lot of younger audiences). I would much rather see a short film by someone wanting to do Sonic actual justice and going off an older more classic feel. This to me seems like a big director with a small wallet, pulling the exact some crap that all my other favorite games that were made into movies did. I'm on your guys side believe me. I'm just happy because it could always be worse.

[Soulis]

It's just sad when you have good Sega/Sonic memories and can't really share it with anyone because those weird Sonic fans made it into such an embarrassing thing.

So nice words. Its a good thing to know more people share the same thoughts. I usually avoid any forums/topics that have to do with Sonic for this reason. Where are all those people who loved classic Sonic? Why all these Dora the Explorer fans and other little children took over any Sonic topic/forum?

[Saturn Fan]

Horrific. This is what a Sonic film directed by Michael Bay would look like.

This is the entire problem at the centre of Sonic the Hedgehog, people taking the whole bloody idea behind the Sonic franchise too seriously, on some massive fan-wank. Sonic Team however are probably as much to blame as the whole fan base with there overblown, histrionic story telling in the Sonic Adventure games thats just snowballed since.

The Sonic CD soundtrack is a metaphor for this mentality, a distinctly Japanese centric vision of what Sonic was with certain amount of humour and frisson. Then Sega of America re-records half the soundtrack with po-faced ernest faux-seriousness, and ruins the whole vibes, 'mon'.

Not sure what your problem is with the rest but, as for Sonic CD? The japanese soundtrack was STUPID and too much of a departure from previous entries in the series. WTF.

Its like once the SOJ staff realized the ease and freedom of chucking any CD track they wanted, they flipped out, and put all this weird J-pop crap on it without stopping to think if it fit.

SOA was right to want to change it to be more fitting with the style of past games. A lot of their techno synth tracks were pretty spiffy and worked to great effect.

Often the japan original release is kinda like the "rough draft", and it isn't till later that they realize mistakes were made which are often cleaned up for the U.S release.

[Solkia]

Out of both of Sonic CD's soundtracks, I only really like Sonic Boom and the Special Stage themes.

[TVC 15]

Not sure what your problem is with the rest but, as for Sonic CD? The japanese soundtrack was STUPID and too much of a departure from previous entries in the series. WTF.

Everybody else read and understood it well enough.

Its like once the SOJ staff realized the ease and freedom of chucking any CD track they wanted, they flipped out, and put all this weird J-pop crap on it without stopping to think if it fit.

LOL. The first two Sonic games on the MD/Genesis had there music composed by a Japanese band, 'weird J-Pop crap' called 'Dreams come true'. Erring on the side of caution, I might be straw manning you here, so I'll let you clarify, does this make the first two games soundtracks 'crap'?

SOA was right to want to change it to be more fitting with the style of past games. A lot of their techno synth tracks were pretty spiffy and worked to great effect.

The past games, Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, see my above post had that weird 'j-pop crap' on it, therefore Sonic CD fits perfectly with the earlier Sonic games, being an even bigger CD quality sized dollop of 'weird J-Pop crap'. One or two tracks where granted, ok in the rerecorded US soundtrack, but completely ruined any cohesion the whole soundtrack once had. Also whats Spiffy techno synth? All I here for the most part is dull as dish water, superfluous 'techno' beatz.

Often the japan original release is kinda like the "rough draft", and it isn't till later that they realize mistakes were made which are often cleaned up for the U.S release.

As a european living in UK, the soundtrack made perfect sense, the D.A Garden theme heavily hints at 808 States 'Pacific State' and a lot of Acid House sounds, theres even some George Clinton 'Parliment' samples 'On work that sucker to Death'. Thats how god damn hip Sonic once was, (or at least the guy who scored most of it loved P-Funk and Acid House).

Why do I want to listen to a load of 'safe' 'spiffy techno synth'. That was my whole point, Sonic CD's EU/JPN release soundtrack is a refreshing antidote to the bucket loads of shitty MOR rock that have littered Sonics games post Sonic Adventure. Hearing such a cacophony of sound, of challenging, progressive music, felt amazing when I first got Sonic CD in '00. Though respecting that Acid-House was probably long past its sell by date in 2000, I only wished I was older at Sonic CD's original release 1993 to have both bought and appreciated the music when it was more contemporary.

Sonic was once so fresh and new, Sega delivered new technology with the Sega CD/Mega CD, and then Sonic Team Japan delivered a crazy risk taking experiment with Sonic CD aurally and aesthetically. Changing bits of the soundtrack for 'safe' American vetted music erodes the games creative cohesion and makes it on a whole impotent.

People have such cowed limited assumptions about Video Games progressive and creative possibilities.

[Zz Badnusty]

Just watched it, and well, it was no worse than say The Phantom Menace.

[MrSega]

Horrific. This is what a Sonic film directed by Michael Bay would look like.

This is the entire problem at the centre of Sonic the Hedgehog, people taking the whole bloody idea behind the Sonic franchise too seriously, on some massive fan-wank. Sonic Team however are probably as much to blame as the whole fan base with there overblown, histrionic story telling in the Sonic Adventure games thats just snowballed since.

The Sonic CD soundtrack is a metaphor for this mentality, a distinctly Japanese centric vision of what Sonic was with certain amount of humour and frisson. Then Sega of America re-records half the soundtrack with po-faced ernest faux-seriousness, and ruins the whole vibes, 'mon'.

I am SICK of Sonic's fanbase of today. Most of them are a complete joke. Its sad that their willing to believe fanatics like Tristan Oliver everytime he pulls another fanmade "Sonic Wii U" rumor out of his ass.

They bitch and nickpick the most asinine things too. "Sonic's eyes being green?" really?

SEGA needs to severe ties with these people and cut them loose. I'm sick of Sonic rule 34 and gay fanfiction.

I believe Sonic's appearance on "Wreck It Ralph" and speculated talks between SEGA Orbi and Disney on a distribution and marketing partnership for Sonic and SEGA's game franchises should be the first step to successful execution of a Sonic movie idea.

[The Jackal]

SEGA needs to severe ties with these people and cut them loose.

And how would they do that? More importantly, why the fuck would they do that? You're an idiot.

I'm sick of Sonic rule 34 and gay fanfiction.

ProTip: If you don't Google for it, it won't come up. Amazing, eh?

I believe Sonic's appearance on "Wreck It Ralph" and speculated talks between SEGA Orbi and Disney on a distribution and marketing partnership for Sonic and SEGA's game franchises should be the first step to successful execution of a Sonic movie idea.

Get yer Orbi BS outta my thread.

[The Jackal]

Everybody else read and understood it well enough.



LOL. The first two Sonic games on the MD/Genesis had there music composed by a Japanese band, 'weird J-Pop crap' called 'Dreams come true'. Erring on the side of caution, I might be straw manning you here, so I'll let you clarify, does this make the first two games soundtracks 'crap'?



The past games, Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, see my above post had that weird 'j-pop crap' on it, therefore Sonic CD fits perfectly with the earlier Sonic games, being an even bigger CD quality sized dollop of 'weird J-Pop crap'. One or two tracks where granted, ok in the rerecorded US soundtrack, but completely ruined any cohesion the whole soundtrack once had. Also whats Spiffy techno synth? All I here for the most part is dull as dish water, superfluous 'techno' beatz.



As a european living in UK, the soundtrack made perfect sense, the D.A Garden theme heavily hints at 808 States 'Pacific State' and a lot of Acid House sounds, theres even some George Clinton 'Parliment' samples 'On work that sucker to Death'. Thats how god damn hip Sonic once was, (or at least the guy who scored most of it loved P-Funk and Acid House).

Why do I want to listen to a load of 'safe' 'spiffy techno synth'. That was my whole point, Sonic CD's EU/JPN release soundtrack is a refreshing antidote to the bucket loads of shitty MOR rock that have littered Sonics games post Sonic Adventure. Hearing such a cacophony of sound, of challenging, progressive music, felt amazing when I first got Sonic CD in '00. Though respecting that Acid-House was probably long past its sell by date in 2000, I only wished I was older at Sonic CD's original release 1993 to have both bought and appreciated the music when it was more contemporary.

Sonic was once so fresh and new, Sega delivered new technology with the Sega CD/Mega CD, and then Sonic Team Japan delivered a crazy risk taking experiment with Sonic CD aurally and aesthetically. Changing bits of the soundtrack for 'safe' American vetted music erodes the games creative cohesion and makes it on a whole impotent.

People have such cowed limited assumptions about Video Games progressive and creative possibilities.

Yeah I love the Jap CD music more so than the bland, soulless US one. I still like some of the US tracks, but most of the music doesn't suit (Tidal Tempest Present's humming for example).