Super Mario Land 3 Limited Edition Pre-order, new Mario World hack

[Drakon]

Am the only person tho thinks its odd paying for hacked games? i can understand games that never came out but hacks?

I don't think it's odd at all. Romhacking takes a loooooong time (I've done one myself) and a lot of effort if you're hacking a game where there's zero information for it or romhacking tools floating around. I really think that romhacks and homebrews are the future of retro gaming. The more money we throw towards stuff like this the more reason people have to spend time doing it. These hacks aren't quick and easy and if the hack is fun enough I'll certainly pay for it. For people with a flash cart like myself it would be a nice option to be able to just buy the rom but then the author will have to deal with piracy.

[NostalgicMachine]

I don't think it's odd at all. Romhacking takes a loooooong time (I've done one myself) and a lot of effort if you're hacking a game where there's zero information for it or romhacking tools floating around. I really think that romhacks and homebrews are the future of retro gaming. The more money we throw towards stuff like this the more reason people have to spend time doing it. These hacks aren't quick and easy and if the hack is fun enough I'll certainly pay for it. For people with a flash cart like myself it would be a nice option to be able to just buy the rom but then the author will have to deal with piracy.

Bingo; you really nailed it here, Drakon.

[Robotwo]

I'd rather spend my money towards homebrews than romhacks though.

That feel of a completely new experience made from scratch

[Baloo]

Why is it called Super Mario Land 3 when it is a hack of Super Mario World? I thought it was going to actually be a hack of Super Mario Land 1 or 2...

Regadless, the video demo looked good. Though I too do not understand why the Goombas were converted to Kirbys.

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I don't think it's odd at all. Romhacking takes a loooooong time (I've done one myself) and a lot of effort if you're hacking a game where there's zero information for it or romhacking tools floating around. I really think that romhacks and homebrews are the future of retro gaming. The more money we throw towards stuff like this the more reason people have to spend time doing it. These hacks aren't quick and easy and if the hack is fun enough I'll certainly pay for it. For people with a flash cart like myself it would be a nice option to be able to just buy the rom but then the author will have to deal with piracy.

I'm all for a good well done homebrew game, and I will be busying some of them later. Like I said I just don't see the point in paying for a rom hack bc its not really a new game its just well a hack of a game all ready done.

[TheSonicRetard]

I'm all for a good well done homebrew game, and I will be busying some of them later. Like I said I just don't see the point in paying for a rom hack bc its not really a new game its just well a hack of a game all ready done.

Did you pay for Sonic 2 or 3 or Sonic & Knuckles back in the day?

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Did you pay for Sonic 2 or 3 or Sonic & Knuckles back in the day?

Nope I was just a kid so they was birthday gifts.

[TheSonicRetard]

Nope I was just a kid so they was birthday gifts.

Are you opposed to paying for those games?

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Are you opposed to paying for those games?

I'm opposed to paying more then 15-20 bucks for them yes. I get where your going with this and I'm just the type of person who will pay for new games like pier solar, Gunlord and so on not just a rom hack. Maybe its bc I'm use to rom hacks just being a free download to play on a emu.

[TheSonicRetard]

I'm opposed to paying more then 15-20 bucks for them yes. I get where your going with this and I'm just the type of person who will pay for new games like pier solar, Gunlord and so on not just a rom hack. Maybe its bc I'm use to rom hacks just being a free download to play on a emu.

You're opposed to paying more than $15-$20 for them because they use an existing engine, despite the fact that their development time and budget and staff far eclipsed both of the games you listed (save Pier Solar's development time for obvious reasons)? I don't get it. You're saying you don't want to pay for "rom hacks" and implying its because they require less work to create than a new game from scratch. Except they don't.

[Guntz]

Hiya Guntz! I got a chance to play around with this on my PowerPak last night. It felt really solid and I look forward to playing it again.

Thanks, I love hearing that it's actually a decent game. It's always encouraging to hear it works on real hardware.

I don't know if this is a borderline douchey request, but would it be possible to post a build with the Kirbys reverted back to Goombas? It felt weird stomping Kirbys since I like him as a protagonist.

I think the weirdness of stomping Kirbys is part of the game. I've never had that request though. I could probably swap out the GFX file with Kirby in it with one from SMW, but then I'd have to change the parachuting Kirbies too.

Why is it called Super Mario Land 3 when it is a hack of Super Mario World? I thought it was going to actually be a hack of Super Mario Land 1 or 2...

It was originally an adaption of Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3. At this point though, it doesn't hold much common ground, it's pretty different. Lots of people have said it's fun to play though, I think that's what is most important.

Regadless, the video demo looked good. Though I too do not understand why the Goombas were converted to Kirbys.

It's pretty simple actually. I was wanting to add some new graphics to the game, the Goomba was a good place to start, they only have two animation frames. The only thing I could think of was Kirby, so I changed the Goomba to Kirby and it looked pretty good. I showed it to friends and they though the constantly happy Kirby was rather funny, even if you're kicking him around the level, so Kirby stuck in the game. His inclusion has nothing to do with Wario Land, or even Mario, so I don't have a solid reason for his inclusion.

You're opposed to paying more than $15-$20 for them because they use an existing engine, despite the fact that their development time and budget and staff far eclipsed both of the games you listed (save Pier Solar's development time for obvious reasons)? I don't get it. You're saying you don't want to pay for "rom hacks" and implying its because they require less work to create than a new game from scratch. Except they don't.

Totally right there. The most impressive ROM hacks you see are an insane pile of work for "just a ROM hack". You guys ever seen Brutal Mario? Tons and tons of ASM hacks went into that game. At that point, you're pretty much already coding a new game, just with a pre-made framework. Brutal Mario has lots of new graphics too, mostly imported from other games, but it does involve work to convert graphics for Super Mario World.

What do you guys think of this cover art for the Limited Edition?

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You're opposed to paying more than $15-$20 for them because they use an existing engine, despite the fact that their development time and budget and staff far eclipsed both of the games you listed (save Pier Solar's development time for obvious reasons)? I don't get it. You're saying you don't want to pay for "rom hacks" and implying its because they require less work to create than a new game from scratch. Except they don't.

15-20 bc there old as hell now. I never said it was hard or easy to hack a rom so I was implying nothing like that, you just think I was and your wrong. If yall want to buy them that's fine there is no right or wrong here its a matter of taste nothing more. I have played rom hacks before and some of them have been fun some some was just a buggy mess, like normal games.

[Chilly Willy]

Sega fans find it weird to pay for a hack because Sonic hacks are NEVER charged for. Just go over to SonicRetro and you'll find dozens of hacks, all for free. Many of them involve way more work than this SNES hack, but Sonic hackers are in it for the love.

[Guntz]

That's fine, Super Mario World Central has tons and tons of free hacks as well. But just like games like Return to Dinosaur Land and Brutal Mario, there are Sonic hacks that are sold on cartridges because people want to buy them.

There's a lot of reproduction collectors on NintendoAge though, so that community is more of an exception to the rule.

[Drakon]

I'd rather spend my money towards homebrews than romhacks though.

That feel of a completely new experience made from scratch

I like both just the same. There's plenty of romhacks out there that completely change the experience of a game.

You're opposed to paying more than $15-$20 for them because they use an existing engine, despite the fact that their development time and budget and staff far eclipsed both of the games you listed (save Pier Solar's development time for obvious reasons)? I don't get it. You're saying you don't want to pay for "rom hacks" and implying its because they require less work to create than a new game from scratch. Except they don't.

Finally someone who gets it. A good romhack is indeed just as much work as making a new game. Sure there's simple romhacks that barely change anything and they should be treated as such, but major romhacks or even total conversions like this shouldn't be treated like nothing.

Also I don't know how guntz would go through the effort without having something to test it on real hardware with. I think I'd go insane knowing that all that work potentially may not even run on the real thing.

As for supporting romhacks with actual money the romhacking community needs it more than some big corporation. One guy hacking stuff on his own isn't going to find much time to do it without financial persuation. Romhacks are made by the fans for the fans, these are very dedicated people who obviously aren't just doing it for the money.

Sega fans find it weird to pay for a hack because Sonic hacks are NEVER charged for. Just go over to SonicRetro and you'll find dozens of hacks, all for free. Many of them involve way more work than this SNES hack, but Sonic hackers are in it for the love.

Honestly I would happily pay money for some of those sonic hacks. Even paying for just the rom is better than nothing.