Why all the TMSS hate ?

[David J.]

I don't know. I have original John Madden Football,and Budokan, and I think also Lakers vs Celtics (not sure on that one) that won't even boot up on my CDX. If I felt comfortable modding my CDX I would put that mod in. But purely for comparability reasons only.

Just use a Game Genie. It by passes TMSS.

[Guntz]

I don't understand the TMSS hate. All it boils down to me is a first world problem. I don't think I've seen a more stupid and ridiculous thing to hate. TMSS? Really?



5 seconds is nothing, hell I think it's more like 3 seconds. It takes me 5 seconds to walk from the Genesis to sit down on the couch. By the time I sit down and am looking at the screen, it's already gone.

[goldenband]

A very small number of games can't be played (like 3 -_-)

More than that, actually, plus there are a bunch of Chinese/Russian games that trash the TMSS register on startup and can't be played under TMSS even with a Game Genie.

I know of five games released in the US that fail TMSS -- Budokan, Ishido, Onslaught, Populous, Zany Golf. Fortunately none of them use a battery backup, so they're all playable through a GG except Budokan, which still won't boot (though the Euro version apparently works fine, and one person reported having a US Budokan that would play on a Nomad).

There were also apparently at least eight Japanese cartridges that won't pass it. (I don't know if Super Daisenryaku uses a battery or a password system; if the former then it's unplayable on a Model 2 since you can't save through a Game Genie.)

Just use a Game Genie. It by passes TMSS.

Usually, but even that won't work for Budokan or some pirates (Harry Potter, Iraq War 2003, Pokemon Crazy Drummer, etc.).

I don't personally mind TMSS that much; my first Genesis had it so it's what I'm used to, and so many other consoles have splash screens anyway (Intellivision, Vectrex, PlayStation, Dreamcast, GameCube, Game Boy, etc.).

But OTOH I've always liked the story about how Steve Jobs pushed his programmers to cut 2-3 seconds off the Mac bootup time because, averaged out across all the users and all the boots, it'd save the equivalent of a human lifetime. Across the millions of Genesis consoles with TMSS, and all the thousands of times they've been started up, it's a lot of wasted time. A back of the envelope calculation says that if ~10 million TMSS consoles were sold (I'm sure it was more), each of them would only need to go through 80 bootups each to waste a total of 80 years.

[NeoVamp]

There is such a thing as TMSS hate???

This.

[Gogogadget]

Every Genesis i've ever owned has had TMSS, except for my latest one.

It's weird not seeing it.

[zyrobs]

The machines I has as a child had that screen, so its what I prefer. It has its charm as a bootup logo. It's usually gone by the time I get comfy after turning on the machine anyway, so it doesn't waste any time. And it's much less obtrusive than the half-hour copyright screens and loading texts in modern games.
Hating the TMSS is just stupid.

[villahed94]

Be careful with this because the very first Genesis Model 1s to implement TMSS still used a YM2612 and still used the same audio circuit Sega used since the VA0 Model 1 motherboard. Anything past the VA6.8 motherboard, however, has audio quality issues ranging from filtering issues (too much low-pass filtering on the VA2 to VA4 Model 2s and Nomad, not enough low-pass filtering on the Genesis 3 or filtering that actually degrades the audio quality and makes the sound weird, particularly on the Sega CDX; that thing's filtering seriously degrades the audio quality) to stupid design errors (voltage divider on the VA2 and VA2.3 Model 2s' PSG output instead of a pull-down resistor causing heavily distorted PSG) to downright inadequate audio amps (VA7 Model 1s, VA0 to VA1.8 Model 2s).

And, of course, anything that's not a VA0 to VA6.8 Genesis Model 1 or VA2(.3) Genesis Model 2 has a YM3438, which doesn't sound 100% like a YM2612. If you want the true sound of a Genesis, don't get one with a YM3438; it is not the chip the Genesis originally came with, it's the YM2612, so the true sound of a Genesis is with the YM2612.

Not exactly.There was a significant circuitry change on the VA3 MD1. That circuit was used from the VA3 up to VA6.8
VA2s and earliers use a different circuit.

[SegaMan89]

As someone who grew up with the TMSS screen, I prefer seeing it as well. It lets me know the system accepted the cart and I'm about to play the best system ever .

Honestly, it kind of bothers me on the ATGAMES systems when you select a game it doesn't display the TMSS screen.

TMSS

[evildragon]

Not exactly.There was a significant circuitry change on the VA3 MD1. That circuit was used from the VA3 up to VA6.8
VA2s and earliers use a different circuit.

What change? The only change I know of is the mono audio output on the VA3 and up included both channels, not just one side of the stereo sound.

My VA6 and VA3 though, sounds extremely similar.

[Guntz]

I like the TMSS screen when modding because it gives me an instant response when turning the system on. It's useful for all kinds of mods, like overclocking, region modding and video upgrading. As soon as the system turns on, I can see if it booted a game or if the new S-Video mod is working.

To be fair, I could use a game with a fast start up when modding a TMSS-less Genesis (like Garfield), but it's hard remembering which games don't have a 2 or 3 second pause before the Sega logo. On a TMSS screen, no matter what game I'm using, a screen always appears at instant start up.

[Zebbe]

I don't hate the TMSS. I hate communists and pedophiles. I do, however, choose something superior over something inferior, even when the differences are small.

[Ace]

What change? The only change I know of is the mono audio output on the VA3 and up included both channels, not just one side of the stereo sound.

So did the VA2. My VA2 Genesis Model 1 has correct Mono sound.

My VA6 and VA3 though, sounds extremely similar.

Every Genesis I've used up to motherboard revision VA6 (not VA6.8 as I've never seen one in person) has the same sound, but I noted something with the VA2 motherboard: the low-pass filter uses different components. I don't know what value capacitors there are, but in place of 10Kohm resistors in parallel with those capacitors (which are 5.6nF on the VA3 to VA6.8 motherboards), I found 47Kohm resistors. No wonder when I tried to replace those caps with 5.6nF capacitors to fix distorted sound when the volume slider is at volume 0, the audio was super muffled and quiet.

[Sonic Dude]

I think the reason why people hate TMSS is because it's is not a true original Sega Genesis, it like if you buy new car with the different engine, same car design but they had to change the original engine because it was to expensive to produce, in this case there have been a lot of changes hardware wise to the model one aka the sound, some changes were bad and good. personally I don't see a problem With TMSS, it me it's very nostalgic.

[streetsofrage]

There is such a thing as TMSS hate???

yes there is , I've seen many youtube videos where people bash all TMSS consoles and there are many posts in this forum where people bash it.

[Guntz]

You people must have it pretty good if you complain about something as meaningless as TMSS.