Worthy Sega Saturn Exclusives?

[sheath]

Where he's saying that? I think I missed that line...
And I also pointed games released in other console platforms as well.
Sorry if I broke some Saturn bones here...

Dude, I just tossed out a list off the cuff last night right before bed. I know you don't like PC and Arcade releases being considered console exclusive but that is they way they are presented, and for good reason. As for compilation or region exclusive PS1 releases, man I just don't know what else to say but nobody I have ever known has owned a modded PS1 or a Jpn/EU one. Including Jpn or EU exclusive PS1 games as a reason why a Saturn game, especially a worldwide release, as not exclusive is very specific to your unique perspective.

At any rate, I have updated my list to include alternate versions and some later releases. Later this after noon I will triple check it for games that have also seen modern re-releases and compilation treatment. Sorry for appearing biased for showing the Saturn library like it was at the time.

[Barone]

Dude, I just tossed out a list off the cuff last night right before bed. I know you don't like PC and Arcade releases being considered console exclusive but that is they way they are presented, and for good reason. As for compilation or region exclusive PS1 releases, man I just don't know what else to say but nobody I have ever known has owned a modded PS1 or a Jpn/EU one. Including Jpn or EU exclusive PS1 games as a reason why a Saturn game, especially a worldwide release, as not exclusive is very specific to your unique perspective.

I find it funny that if someone asks for a list of Sony's or Nintendo's console exclusives around here you'll get all sorts of modern compilation, PC, online gaming services and even emulation suggestions popping extremely quick to challenge the "exclusivity" of those consoles libraries. OTOH, if you point the same alternatives when a Sega platform is being discussed, then, you're being ridiculous.
That's just "funny".

Also, I haven't only picked cases as you're pointing, sheath. As bad as it is, X-Men Children of the Atom was released in US for the PS1, for an example.

[sheath]

I find it funny that if someone asks for a list to Sony's or Nintendo's console exclusives around here you'll get all sorts of modern compilation, PC and even emulation suggestions popping extremely quick to challenge the "exclusivity" of those consoles libraries. OTOH, if you point the same alternatives when a Sega platform is being discussed, then, you're being ridiculous.
That's just "funny".

Also, I haven't only picked cases as you're pointing, sheath. As bad as it is, X-Men Children of the Atom was released in US for the PS1, for an example.

Yup, not from me, check the list again I'm sure I'm still missing a couple with different names in other regions. If a game was exclusive at the time for any console I will consider it an exclusive for that generation and therefore a console exclusive. The idea that a modern cell phone re-release of Sonic the Hedgehog can negate my original Genesis CiB is just absurd to me, and yes I apply this equally across all platforms. But the regional discussion needs to be handled with respect for accessibility by region. Sony was very effective at keeping out mods and multi-region releases in the US for example.

Now if a poster pops in tomorrow and says, "hey guys I own a modded PS2, PS1 and Xbox, and have a 90s gaming PC, and what does the Saturn have to offer me?" I'll consider whether he is trolling, and give him a list of about five games.

[GameMaster600]

Yup, not from me, check the list again I'm sure I'm still missing a couple with different names in other regions. If a game was exclusive at the time for any console I will consider it an exclusive for that generation and therefore a console exclusive. The idea that a modern cell phone re-release of Sonic the Hedgehog can negate my original Genesis CiB is just absurd to me, and yes I apply this equally across all platforms. But the regional discussion needs to be handled with respect for accessibility by region. Sony was very effective at keeping out mods and multi-region releases in the US for example.

Now if a poster pops in tomorrow and says, "hey guys I own a modded PS2, PS1 and Xbox, and have a 90s gaming PC, and what does the Saturn have to offer me?" I'll consider whether he is trolling, and give him a list of about five games.

Well actually I DO own a Japanese PS2 that I bought just for playing so many of the fantastic Japan exclusives (Umihara Kawase Shun, Goemons, Gradius Gaiden, ect.) and I am going to be buying a PAL PS1 so I can play some of the good PAL games that are cheaper/less rare than the Japan only versions or in english (Gussun Paradise/Yoyo's Puzzle Park, Vib Ribbon, EWJ 2 because it's on PS1 and that's just cool.)

[old man]

Sheath, I own a modded PS1 (did it myself), PS2, and a pc with windows 95. I don't see the point of a modded Xbox though.

[GameMaster600]

Imports actual debunk a lot of exclusives or just add more systems to have the game available on, for example, Mortal Kombat II was on Playstation in Japan, Quarantine (that 3DO game) was released as Hard Rock Cab in Japan on PS1 and as Death Throttle on Saturn, the best version of EWJ 2 (Saturn) was pretty much identical on Playstation, Ikaruga was on Dreamcast in Japan, Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, and Alien Soldier were all on the PS2 in Japan in the Sega Ages Treasure Box, I could go on.

EDIT: Also worth mentioning is that the Lunar games are on Saturn in Japan.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Oh for gods sake does this really need to turn into a ridiculous pissing match over the word exclusive?

WHO FUCKING CARES IF SOME OF THE GAMES ARE AVAILABLE ON WINDOWS 95 OR THE ARCADES?! Not everyone has access to the hardware needed to play those. The old Sega PC ports don't work properly on modern computers and most people aren't enthusiastic enough to build old PCs to fill that void. And Arcade Machine collecting is a niche hobby, even today.

Saturn only Arcade Ports should count. Saying because it's on the Arcade it's not exclusive is just plain stupid. Sega PC ports shouldn't take away exclusives either. They were niche when they came out and they are still niche now. Especially since they don't work on most PCs today.

Let's just get back on topic and recommend the OP good exclusive Saturn games and games that are more practical to own on the Saturn.

[Da_Shocker]

Sheath, I own a modded PS1 (did it myself), PS2, and a pc with windows 95. I don't see the point of a modded Xbox though.

Nice now Sony should've allowed us to play import PS1 and PS2 games on my PS3. I have had that AM2 Macross game sitting on my shelf for like 3 years because I can't play import PS1 or PS2 games on my 60GB PS3. I can't even mod the fucker to do it.

[segaddict]

Oh for gods sake does this really need to turn into a ridiculous pissing match over the word exclusive?

WHO FUCKING CARES IF SOME OF THE GAMES ARE AVAILABLE ON WINDOWS 95 OR THE ARCADES?! Not everyone has access to the hardware needed to play those. The old Sega PC ports don't work properly on modern computers and most people aren't enthusiastic enough to build old PCs to fill that void. And Arcade Machine collecting is a niche hobby, even today.

Saturn only Arcade Ports should count. Saying because it's on the Arcade it's not exclusive is just plain stupid. Sega PC ports shouldn't take away exclusives either. They were niche when they came out and they are still niche now. Especially since they don't work on most PCs today.

Let's just get back on topic and recommend the OP good exclusive Saturn games and games that are more practical to own on the Saturn.

+1

This pretty much sums it up perfectly. Thank you.

[Barone]

Sega PC games took a new PC at the time of their release to even run as well as the Saturn originals, and today many of them require older hardware and operating systems to run. I didn't have a PC that could even remotely handle Sega's PC games until 1998, and it wasn't until 2000 that I had enough RAM and a fast enough video card to run something like Sonic R or Virtua Fighter 2 well.

I'm pretty sure that a budget MMX PC could run both Sega Rally and Daytona USA Deluxe back in 1998 without any problems. I had one, a friend had one, another friend had one... Just one of them, to this day, has ever played on a Saturn though.

I also think it is silly to make a game non-exclusive due to a modern re-release due to the headache of bad re-releases out there making it a crap shoot whether it is even the same game. The only thing worse than that is claiming that MAME negates a great Arcade port back in the day.

You're mixing up things a bit IMO. You have some horrible problems like in Midway Arcade Treasures series and other releases like Nights for the PS2 which do have some good advantages over the original release, to not talk about a lot of people using HD sets today.

As for compilation or region exclusive PS1 releases, man I just don't know what else to say but nobody I have ever known has owned a modded PS1 or a Jpn/EU one.

If we are going by personal experiences, I can assure you that you find dozens of modded PS1s and PS2s around here before you find someone who actually have played a Saturn. My TVs were/are all PAL-M/PAL-N/NTSC compatible, so...

Including Jpn or EU exclusive PS1 games as a reason why a Saturn game, especially a worldwide release, as not exclusive is very specific to your unique perspective.

My very own unique perspective also recommends a model 2 Saturn and a modchip to everyone into Saturn collecting, since several games had better JP versions or are just much cheaper than their US releases. However, that doesn't seem to be a "unpopular" view since a lot of Saturn fans around here also recommend the same.
So, uh, if we have all these claims about "The Saturn's library really shines with its JP-exclusive releases" and such all over the forum, it shouldn't be an ultimate heresy to consider non-US games. Especially when we are talking about "worthy" collecting.
I got like 10 JP Saturn games last year, from eBay, and payed less than $5 for each, including shipment costs. A CiB JP version of Daytona USA CE is inexpensive and also superior to its US release, which is very hard to find (even more if you're looking for a decent price). So, mind you or not, I'll keep rejecting your US-only goggles. Even considering the modchip investment, it really worth the deal, since you also have a lot of JP-exclusives inside the Saturn library.
Outside of collecting, you may want to have the option to play using a CD-R for games like Super Tempo, which was sold for something like $235 last time I saw it on ebay, with the auction starting at 0.99, mind you... But since it's all ridiculous talking, I'll probably receive an infraction for mentioning "CD-R" in this thread... Anyway, I'm sorry if I don't live in US and if I don't have a Sega console cave to my own.

Yup, not from me, check the list again I'm sure I'm still missing a couple with different names in other regions. If a game was exclusive at the time for any console I will consider it an exclusive for that generation and therefore a console exclusive. The idea that a modern cell phone re-release of Sonic the Hedgehog can negate my original Genesis CiB is just absurd to me, and yes I apply this equally across all platforms. But the regional discussion needs to be handled with respect for accessibility by region. Sony was very effective at keeping out mods and multi-region releases in the US for example.

You know that I agree with that line of thinking, however, I have difficult to ignore the existence of a Neo Geo CD version of Galaxy Fight, for an example.

Now if a poster pops in tomorrow and says, "hey guys I own a modded PS2, PS1 and Xbox, and have a 90s gaming PC, and what does the Saturn have to offer me?" I'll consider whether he is trolling, and give him a list of about five games.

Well, unlike you're implying, you can play, for an example, Sega Rally and Daytona USA Deluxe (which is actually the only US release with the content of the Daytona USA CE JP Saturn version) using Windows XP; some guys also managed to play Daytona USA Deluxe using Win7 with no problems. Five minutes of Google can reveal you wonders at times...

Well actually I DO own a Japanese PS2 that I bought just for playing so many of the fantastic Japan exclusives (Umihara Kawase Shun, Goemons, Gradius Gaiden, ect.) and I am going to be buying a PAL PS1 so I can play some of the good PAL games that are cheaper/less rare than the Japan only versions or in english (Gussun Paradise/Yoyo's Puzzle Park, Vib Ribbon, EWJ 2 because it's on PS1 and that's just cool.)

Sheath, I own a modded PS1 (did it myself), PS2, and a pc with windows 95. I don't see the point of a modded Xbox though.

Well, feels like I'm not all alone here...

Imports actual debunk a lot of exclusives or just add more systems to have the game available on, for example, Mortal Kombat II was on Playstation in Japan, Quarantine (that 3DO game) was released as Hard Rock Cab in Japan on PS1 and as Death Throttle on Saturn, the best version of EWJ 2 (Saturn) was pretty much identical on Playstation, Ikaruga was on Dreamcast in Japan, Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, and Alien Soldier were all on the PS2 in Japan in the Sega Ages Treasure Box, I could go on.

EDIT: Also worth mentioning is that the Lunar games are on Saturn in Japan.

Exactly, and, IMO, it also gives you a lot of cheaper/better options for collecting.

Oh for gods sake does this really need to turn into a ridiculous pissing match over the word exclusive?

WHO FUCKING CARES IF SOME OF THE GAMES ARE AVAILABLE ON WINDOWS 95 OR THE ARCADES?! Not everyone has access to the hardware needed to play those. The old Sega PC ports don't work properly on modern computers and most people aren't enthusiastic enough to build old PCs to fill that void. And Arcade Machine collecting is a niche hobby, even today.

Saturn only Arcade Ports should count. Saying because it's on the Arcade it's not exclusive is just plain stupid. Sega PC ports shouldn't take away exclusives either. They were niche when they came out and they are still niche now. Especially since they don't work on most PCs today.

Let's just get back on topic and recommend the OP good exclusive Saturn games and games that are more practical to own on the Saturn.

Calm down, otherwise you'll break your Caps Lock, pal.
Anyway, aside from the appointments I've made above which demystify some of the shit you're saying, it's cool to see that a guy who bravely defends the idea of playing the RPG games in full Japanese language due to a couple of extra effects or the support of a add-on that almost nobody has, the same guy is now raging against PC games for being niche... Well, even so, considering the Saturn sales in US and EU, we are mostly have a very niche talking here...
And, finally, you seem to have changed your mind since the last discussion about this subject...:

Well I think he meant the PC version, which that is a legitimate point.

By the way, this links may be useful to the OP:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...xclusives-list
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ill-just-that)
http://segasaturngroup.proboards.com...ay&thread=3764


My personal recommendation:
Touge: King the Spirits 2

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Calm down, otherwise you'll break your Caps Lock, pal.
Anyway, aside from the appointments I've made above which demystify some of the shit you're saying, it's cool to see that a guy who bravely defends the idea of playing the RPG games in full Japanese language due to a couple of extra effects or the support of a add-on that almost nobody has, the same guy is now raging against PC games for being niche... Well, even so, considering the Saturn sales in US and EU, we are mostly have a very niche talking here...

I point out those JRPGs because they are good games and significantly more affordable for the Saturn than they are for the PS1. Yes they aren't in English, but there are translation guides out there for them. For people who don't want to pay $50+ each for those games getting the Saturn versions for less than $50 combined is a decent trade off.

Now, instead of throwing fits about old Sega PC ports that don't run on 90% of modern PCs and ignoring Arcade ports why don't you just recommend some good Saturn games and be done with it? I respect your opinion Barone but dammit you pick the stupidest times to stir the pot and make a mess of things. You derailed this thread and created an argument for a stupidly petty reason.

And I wasn't saying those Sega PC titles were full on Saturn Exclusives. I was saying they are more practical to own for the Saturn because they are at least guaranteed to play on a Saturn. Yeah they are not true Saturn exclusives, but they are close enough to count when someone asks for a list of good Saturn exclusives.

[Barone]

Thanks for ignoring all the links I have posted, Trekkies. They have a lot of good recommendations, especially from Yakumo.

[j_factor]

I find it funny that if someone asks for a list of Sony's or Nintendo's console exclusives around here you'll get all sorts of modern compilation, PC, online gaming services and even emulation suggestions popping extremely quick to challenge the "exclusivity" of those consoles libraries.

I don't think that's true at all. General practice is not counting PC (with the possible exception of recent stuff), arcade, compilations, or digital re-releases. If you ask me for PSX exclusives, I'm not going to leave off G-Police because it had a PC port. I do agree with you that imports should count, except when language is critical.

[Zz Badnusty]

Of course imports count. What credible gamer isn't aware of and able to play imports in 2013?

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Thanks for ignoring all the links I have posted, Trekkies. They have a lot of good recommendations, especially from Yakumo.

I didn't ignore the links, I simply pointed out that you caused drama over something ridiculously stupid.