Dev: ‘Microsoft Treats Independent Developers Very Badly’

[Occutell]

Mircosoft needs to push its OS core market to the side and get actively involved in electronic hardware manufacturing. I believe they would fit perfectly in manufacturer their own native Electronic American brand hardware. We NEED an US Electronic major player.

Making money in manufacturing is difficult to do, hence why most companies gave up and turned to 3rd parties for their needs.
That being said:



I mean...one is a world leader in server/cloud tech, and alternative tech and patents(for 20 years and counting).
The other possesses the world's most advanced fabrication processes, and manufactures a variety of electronic components.

They're both American and handle all their own manufacturing and other ordeals.

[SEGA.GENESIS1989]

I am not a fan of Microsoft, but Jonathan Blow and Brian Provinciano are only shooting themselves in the foot. If you have issues with the corporation's business practices approach them directly instead of speaking to the press. That approach just lacks professionalism.

[MrSega]

Making money in manufacturing is difficult to do, hence why most companies gave up and turned to 3rd parties for their needs.
That being said:



I mean...one is a world leader in server/cloud tech, and alternative tech and patents(for 20 years and counting).
The other possesses the world's most advanced fabrication processes, and manufactures a variety of electronic components.

They're both American and handle all their own manufacturing and other ordeals.

IBM is no longer a major PC hardware player and only manufacturers high end Supercomputers and mainframes.

Intel is losing ground in the CPU market.

I'm suggesting electronics. Mircosoft has well over $30 billion in spending cash. They certainly can afford the risk. They're still a Fortune 1000 company. They've got cash.

[Kamahl]

I am not a fan of Microsoft, but Jonathan Blow and Brian Provinciano are only shooting themselves in the foot. If you have issues with the corporation's business practices approach them directly instead of speaking to the press. That approach just lacks professionalism.

They obviously did first (and got them nowhere), and they're not under any NDA forbidding them to speak of how shitty it is to publish stuff on a Microsoft Store. So I'm not seeing where the problem is, if Microsoft doesn't want bad press they shouldn't do things that would get them bad press to begin with.

[bultje112]

I am not a fan of Microsoft, but Jonathan Blow and Brian Provinciano are only shooting themselves in the foot. If you have issues with the corporation's business practices approach them directly instead of speaking to the press. That approach just lacks professionalism.

what do you think they did before? of course they did that first but m$ treated them like shit.

[SEGA.GENESIS1989]

what do you think they did before? of course they did that first but m$ treated them like shit.

Any person with an iota of common sense would see that approaching the media is a dick move. I'd go aas far to say it was quite dumb! As a small business (or game developer), if you feel that the business practices of Microsoft are counter intuitive to your goals, just release your (software) product to a competing platform. If your product is successful, you are now in a dominant position rather than a subordinate one if you ever find yourself dealing with Microsoft again. You also avoid sullying your good reputation with Microsoft, a corporation I might add who has the ability to sell your product to their extremely large user base. In my opinion, both developers didn't use very sound judgement.

I myself am about to lay the smackdown on a former business whose greed unfortunately overshadowed my good relationship with them. Although I have insider knowledge of their poor business practices, I will never go to the media and bitch about it. In the long run, if I ever do decide to pursue a business relationship with them (I can wholeheartedly say I would never do so), that door remains open. You do not want to prematurely close a door that could potentially be profitable in the (near) future.

[bultje112]

no what microsoft did was a dick move and you don't have to take everything. besides I doubt they are many much or any money on 360, so they might as well shoot themselves AND microsoft in their feet

[SEGA.GENESIS1989]

As I understand it, Brian Provinciano was in the process of trying to release his game on XBOX live arcade and during the process he took it upon himself to openly discuss the issues of Xbox Live Arcade. Smart move there brody! No wonder Microsoft gave him the "big finger" and asked him to rotate on it by cancelling the release. One dick move deserves another. He should have known better than to take a holier than thou attitude to the situation. Especially when he was trying to make money on Microsoft's platform! If you are trying to enter into a business relationship with me, why should I allow you to talk sh*t about me? He was lucky that Microsoft even negotiated with him after the fact! Freaking cry baby with a false sense of entitlement! No business acumen in the least! Wake up and smell the coffee!

[kool kitty89]

They obviously did first (and got them nowhere), and they're not under any NDA forbidding them to speak of how shitty it is to publish stuff on a Microsoft Store. So I'm not seeing where the problem is, if Microsoft doesn't want bad press they shouldn't do things that would get them bad press to begin with.

Exactly, and devs (big and small) have been complaining about Windows Store (and Win8 in general) from day 1, with several major publishers/developers boycotting those platforms entirely.
It's not surprising that this feeling has spread further given MS has done shit all to improve things in that regard.

There ARE alternative platforms, and the more MS (and others) screw things up, the more attractive those platforms become. Albeit, the real test will come when older Windows platforms become obsolescent and devs are faced with no attractive MS platform to publish to . . . assuming MS doesn't change their policies for the better.

Making money in manufacturing is difficult to do, hence why most companies gave up and turned to 3rd parties for their needs.
That being said:

IBM

INTEL


I mean...one is a world leader in server/cloud tech, and alternative tech and patents(for 20 years and counting).
The other possesses the world's most advanced fabrication processes, and manufactures a variety of electronic components.

They're both American and handle all their own manufacturing and other ordeals.

There's some others who started out mostly outsourcing and then built up internal resources and/or merged/partnered with a major manufacturer . . . and AMD kind of does both still. (mix of internal and outsourced manufacturing -not that IBM and Intel don't do that to some degree too)

Kind of ironic that one of IBM's biggest historical achievements was done entirely from 3rd party off the shelf hardware/software (the IBM PC line) . . . and also the one 3rd parties ran with and took far beyond IBM's internal resources.

IBM is no longer a major PC hardware player and only manufacturers high end Supercomputers and mainframes.

And servers and cloud computing . . . which is what was addressed above.
And TBH, that's what IBM has always excelled at. That was their big game before the PC, and it's the one the continued after leaving that. Well, that, and they still have some market with the POWER CPU architecture too.

Intel is losing ground in the CPU market.

The market fluctuates, AMD had a massive boon a decade ago and Intel was steadily falling behind in performance and popularity for quite some time . . . AMD has fallen behind again, but that's likely to fluctuate as well.
There's also the rise in super-low-power embedded/mobile CPUs with strong competition from non-x86 architectures which have always excelled in that niche (particularly ARM), but some notable AMD and Intel x86 entries in that market as well. (particularly with AMD's rather capable x86 SOC devices -APUs- compared with Nvidia's ARM+Geforce SOCs)

I'm suggesting electronics. Mircosoft has well over $30 billion in spending cash. They certainly can afford the risk. They're still a Fortune 1000 company. They've got cash.

Fortune 1000 isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things . . . there's plenty of examples of companies to make it into fortune 500 that collapsed. (hell, Atari Corp hit Fortune 500 in 1987/88 before hitting a steep downward spiral from '89 onward)

Not saying anything either way in MS's future, but just that "Fortune 1000" isn't a good thing to make blanket statements like that about.