Yet another developer shuts their doors.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Sega Studios Australia has confirmed that Castle of Illusion HD will be one of their final releases.

SSA is a software development studio , so its closing is purely for division reorganizing purposes.

That doesn't mean they are going to stop doing third party AAA development. It just means they are downsizing because they have too many studios and not enough projects and money to keep them all going.

[stu]

EA Canada isn't where all the Madden games are made. They develop and test a lot of the other big EA Sports franchises.

Tiburon makes Madden games. Why don't you do a little "Research" or something?

MrSega do research?? I don't think he knows what research is.

Well they did start laying people off at EA Canada(Where they make most of their major FPS games like Deadspace, Army of Two) so that
certainly isn't a good sign.

Yep see what I mean, MrSega doesn't know the meaning of the word Research. Dead Space was developed by Visceral Games, not EA Canada.

http://cheats.cheatgenius.com/developer/eacanada/

[Knuckle Duster]

Why don't you do "stop making quick posts without first looking something up" so I can try to make you look hypocritical?

Fixed.

It's not my intent to make you look like an idiot, it's my intent to figure out how in the hell you can explain your conclusions and arguments. You are a biased fanboy who refuses to discuss the logical flaws of the agenda you predict and support. The worst kind of Sega fan. One who would argue speculation as fact, and try to get people's hopes up over nothing. You think you're loyal and passionate about your favorite childhood toy brand, that's fine, whatever. Just don't expect us all to be naive enough to believe Sega is ready and willing to jump into a pit of corporate titans fighting each other, just because they did some restructuring, merchandising, and figured out how to stop spending and started saving the money they earn.

[MrSega]

This topic can die peacefully now.

[Knuckle Duster]

The topic you spun as support for irrational Orbi logic from the start?

"Well, people are closing their doors and shutting down studios. Sega did this too, OH BOY! IT MEANS THEY'RE ABANDONING 3RD PARTY STATUS AND MAKING CONSOLES! A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION! AMIRITE?! GUYS?!"

"No. That would be bad."

"Shut up! They patented new urinal puck technology! Shemue 3 on Sega hardware confirmed! This topic can die now."

[MrSega]

The topic you spun as support for irrational Orbi logic from the start?

"Well, people are closing their doors and shutting down studios. Sega did this too, OH BOY! IT MEANS THEY'RE ABANDONING 3RD PARTY STATUS AND MAKING CONSOLES! A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION! AMIRITE?! GUYS?!"

"No. That would be bad."

"Shut up! They patented new urinal puck technology! Shemue 3 on Sega hardware confirmed! This topic can die now."

Nowhere in topic do I mention game consoles. Not once. I allude to SEGA eventually returning to first party publishing. But not once do I claim their making a game console.

Die topic. Die.

[Knuckle Duster]

What would a new Sega console offer that a Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, iOS & Android pieces of hardware doesn't? For developers? For consumers? Why would consumers buy a Sega console instead of the others when Nintendo is more widely known and struggling in the market?

Answer that, and maybe you will be taken seriously on this forum.


We're fans of Sega here, but we're not delusional and believe they're currently a market leader. We know that if they return to the market successfully they will probably need to cater to the new generation of gamer, and thus alienate everything our generation expects and appreciates them for. To step back into it, they would need to sell out to bigger companies and stop being an autonomous Sega.

You're living in the past, and you're too blinded by nostalgia to let it go and move on with the industry. You're using Sega as some sort of security blanket to argue why the new guys (Sony, Microsoft) are somehow good or bad. It's worthy of ridicule.


I would love a new Sega console. I highly doubt it will happen, and I believe people who preach about it like you need to explain yourselves. You've been predicting all kinds of bullshit for half a decade, and been wrong with each claim. (New Playstation won't be called PS4 it will be the Playstation NEAR!)

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Nowhere in topic do I mention game consoles. Not once. I allude to SEGA eventually returning to first party publishing. But not once do I claim their making a game console.

Die topic. Die.

Suggesting Sega becoming a First Party developer again implies they'd be making their own console. That's what First Party development is. Developing for your own hardware.

[madmax2069]

MrSega why don't you go back to dreamcast talk and spew your fud there.... oh wait, they made a rule there about the fud you spew.

That's the only reason MrSega infects this forum because all the other forums don't want to put up with him. They close the sections he mainly posts in and post new rules to keep him from posting his fud.

[MrSega]

MrSega why don't you go back to dreamcast talk and spew your fud there.... oh wait, they made a rule there about the fud you spew.

That's the only reason MrSega infects this forum because all the other forums don't want to put up with him. They close the sections he mainly posts in and post new rules to keep him from posting his fud.

I'm still at DC-Talk. I post on the forum blog so it doesn't effect nobody.


This topic needs to die. SEGA speculation is always going to be disputed without rhyme,reason or dismissed with virtually nothing to back up their objections. Its like a Prosecutor trying to present a case WITH no evidence to counter the defense's own evidence.

It'll be that way until Sega discusses whatever plans they have. Paperwork itself is enough evidence.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I'm still at DC-Talk. I post on the forum blog so it doesn't effect nobody.


This topic needs to die. SEGA speculation is always going to be disputed without rhyme,reason or dismissed with virtually nothing to back up their objections. Its like a Prosecutor trying to present a case WITH no evidence to counter the defense's own evidence.

It'll be that way until Sega discusses whatever plans they have. Paperwork itself is enough evidence.

It's not disrupted without rhyme or reason. People are simply pointing out the massive holes in your logic and questioning the conclusions you've come to based on your findings.

We can take your same findings and come to an equally plausible yet radically different conclusion.

[Knuckle Duster]

Nowhere in topic do I mention game consoles. Not once. I allude to SEGA eventually returning to first party publishing. But not once do I claim their making a game console.

Die topic. Die.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...in-liquidation


Another one. First THQ, then LucasArts. EA's CEO steps down and closes EA Canada, SqaureEnix annouces changes and posts losses and now another developer dissapears.

I seriously think more major developers are going to shut doors. The software market is in SERIOUS trouble folks. Publishing Triple AAA games poses serious risks in losses in returns.


Let's face it. Budgets of games and development costs have reached overinflation and that if console manufacturers don't develop hardware that lowers development costs, the industry would begin to collaspe. I kept saying this 4 years ago and was scoffed at by many.

I am so glad SEGA is moving further and further away from 3rd party retail publishing, and even more pleased at the paperwork they've filed. Your time is coming to return back to 1st party SEGA. Shuttering the 3rd party divisions last year was definitely smart and has helped SEGA save budget.

To think, the asshat Sega Forum admin Clumsy said SEGA should move back into full 3rd party AAA publishing and Simon Jeffery said he wanted SEGA to become more like THQ.

The point I'm trying to make is how much their decision to publish PC,mobile,digital and portable only content is paying off for them and that its obvious that the inflated budgets of retail console games are beginning to drag down publishers and are bleeding developers dry.

As for SEGA, the time is indeed coming for them to go back to publishing 1st party retail games. If they return, it will lead to the cost and budget of 3rd party retail software being significantly cut. Sega has spent over 7 years trying to develop ways to lower development costs so developers have smaller budgets for big name titles and IPs.


Of course we don't know what SEGA is up to. All we have is paperwork that clearly are signs that they are changing course. That the company is going towards different markets.

The other "ORBI" trademark and it latest updates indicates that Sega is forming a new R&D department of some sorts.

http://www.trademarkia.com/orbi-85517235.html





If more developers close doors, it will bolster the argument that SEGA should abandon retail publishing altogether.

The SEGA of old is definatly ALIVE.

I already asked you, in what way will development costs suddenly be dropped for everybody, by Sega being sold to someone else as a 1st party developer? What bullshit magic does Sega possess that makes it easier and cheaper to make games for 3rd party developers?

How does becoming a subsidiary compare in any way to the old Sega being alive? The old talent is gone. The only old IP that makes a lot of money is Sonic. IP renewals aren't news.

Nothing you have said makes sense, and you refuse to address questions put to you. This topic doesn't need to die, it puts the spotlight on you and your trolling bullshit.

[16-bit]

I'm slightly, err, maybe more than slightly intoxicated right about now. And I'm sorry, but the only way Sega's ever coming back to making hardware is if someone there comes up with some revolutionary idea that hasn't even been probed before. I'm talkin' like, more than just releasing an android tablet or something along those lines.

And really though, even if they did come back to making hardware, it wouldn't be the same Sega we all grew up with in the 90s. Don't get me wrong, I've been really happy with Sonic Generations and the new Sonic And AllStars Racing: Transformed, but it still wouldn't be the same Sega as back in the day. Most people involved have left and are doing other things. Yuji Naka's gone and founded his own game studio, Yu Suzuki is doing who even knows what.

Sega's an allright company as is. Seriously, the best I'd hope for is some sort of licensed Steambox with a Saturn-like controller which I would totally buy day one because shit that would be awesome. And you know what? That's completely ok with me.

It's better than them sort of ending up how Nintendo has now. Taking all sorts of risks with hardware, and pretty much none with their software.

[Da_Shocker]

Loyalty and passion to a brand is one thing. Overvaluing that personal enthusiasm, by comparing and pissing on Sonic fans, the vocal minority who pretty much ensured Sega didn't die over the past two decades, is ridiculous. To suspend rationality in favor of regurgitating the same prediction & speculation time after time, having it never come to pass, is also ridiculous.


You're used to being laughed at or argued with? Perhaps you should accept and weigh the criticisms you're presented.


We're all fans of Sega, old and I'm sure for the most part a lot of us think new Sega is better than most 3rd party publishers for fan service. You haven't clarified any reasons as to why they should be relevant in a hardware context these days though. Teenagers don't know or want Nintendo or Sega, they want Xbox or Playstation because it's all they know. The mainstream knows Nintendo, Apple, and Google. Little kids like Nintendo, but they also like whatever teenagers tell them to like, because "big kids are cool and awesome" & all that nonsense.

Sega is like Atari, that one thing that mattered at christmas time 20 & 30 years ago that nobody really thinks about anymore. How would they compete? Who would buy Sega consoles aside from older people like us who have too much work? How would they do any better than the awesome hardware we can get from microsoft, or sony? If they market new hardware, doesn't it stand to reason that they would go for the new and popular market we all feel shunned from enjoying anyway? Anybody aiming for the retro scene is going to regress to irrelevance by the mainstream. Why would Sega even matter? They have the ability to create content and new games to make money right now.

Why should they suddenly sink a fortune into locking themselves to one platform while trying to pull in 3rd party support? What could they possibly offer that currently isn't on the table? Why would we expect a company who's workforce left over a decade ago, to continue to bleed innovation in a crowded hardware market just because they earn money above operational costs for a few cycles?


If everybody was as absurd and optimistic as you, Sega would naturally have a boost in stock value, more capital & leverage to do stupid things like burn themselves to death in an already declining, risky, crowded market. The amount of delusional bullshit you offer leads me to assume you have more than a few bucks locked up in their stock and just want to pump and dump it, A relatively flat stock, more than anything.






Not sure if sarcasm.

I believe this guy is a shill that diminishes the community by expressing his circular logic. Everything he talks about is Zoltor level absurdity, only masked with decent grammar. There's no need to police bullshitters like this, but there's no reason to not call him out on it either.

And Zoltor is a highly entertaining too. They say some of the most absurd things on here. But I have seen folks on other forums that are way worse than MrSega and Zoltor.

[Knuckle Duster]

The only way I see Sega in the hardware business, is as a Steambox brand subsidiary backed by Valve & Samsung or Google.

It makes more sense for Samsung to spin OEM PCs into something that makes more money for them and stands up to MSI or ASUS PCs.

If they bought a significant stake in Sega, they can push Sega exclusive RTS games like Total War, Sonic titles will have a solid home, they can add a mobile gaming extention app to their galaxy line of smart phones that uses wifi to make cool things happen between your games & they could link it to their galaxy game pad controller.



If Samsung released a powerful PC Steambox with a variant on this controller concept, they would take a big piece of the next gen market anyway. With or without Sega.


Wishful thinking. More reasonable than expecting Sega to come back.