PlayStation 4 (Official Thread)

[sheath]

I think I read that the 360's GPU natively supports upscaling without a performance hit.

Ah, yeah I can see the resolution on my Toshiba with the info overlay but not the refresh rate. I should RTFM for higher refresh rate modes then.

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Huh, lots of resolutions supported over HDMI, I wonder why it lists the vertical and horizontal frequency seperately and then has a Pixel Clock Frequency. All of the vertical frequencies are close to 60Hz aside from one or two odd ones, the horizontal frequencies are all over the place, and the Pixel Clock Frequency hits up to 148Mhz, or as low as 25Mhz. There is no mention of any sort of native resolution and twelve resolutions to choose from including VGA, SVGA, WXVGA, SXGA, 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p 24 Vert Hz and 1080p 60 Vert Hz. It doesn't look as though I can get more than 60 Vertical Hz in any resolution, assuming that is the spec I am looking for to get better than 60FPS.

[gamevet]

NS-55L780A12. 55" 120hz LCD Insignia.

It's a pretty nice set.

The 670 is a pretty decent card. I believe its a bit faster than my OC'd 7870. I run that and a OC'd FX-6350 @ 4.5ghz. Gonna pick up a 290 (non X version), once they get new cooler design for it (stock reference design HSF is crap for it).

My 670 is one of the highest ranked (GTX 670) cards and it actually outperforms the lesser GTX 680s manufactured by companies like Sparkle. It's pretty much a GTX 680, minus a couple hundred Cuda cores. It has the same PCB, voltage regulation and base clock as the GTX 680. I run my card at 1280Mhz (had it as high as 1293) with the memory overclocked to 6600 Mhz. I'm either going to get a 2nd one of these cards (The price and demand is still pretty high for this card), or get a GTX 780. The only reason I'd get the 780, is because the 2GB of VRAM with my current card is cutting it pretty close. I've seen Battlefield 4 use as much as 1900 MB of memory and I'm pretty sure there will be 1080p titles in the future that will exceed that as well.

The 7870 is somewhere between a GTX 660 and the 660 ti; It's a pretty good card. Yeah, I'm not a big fan (no pun inteded) of the heat output from the 290. I wonder if an after-market cooler could keep that card under 90c? The R9 280x is quite a banger for the price, with a much cooler operating temperature.

Two ways. They are listed in the resolutions+refresh modes. But also, my TV tells me what res it's running it. If I do something custom like 1280x800, it'll run in 1280x1024p75hz mode. It has a list of internal support resolutions, and odd ball resolutions get upscaled/converted by the TV set if it didn't exactly match what's on the list. The res modes off the top of my heard are: 640x480, 800x600, 1280x720, 1280x1024, and 1920x1080 (might be a few others). As in, that's what it shows the res mode the TV is in - in the INFO part/label/overlay. I.e. whatever res that doesn't fit the list, gets upscaled to the closest thing - but I can tell what mode/res it's being upscaled to.

I just looked at the manual for my LCD display. It supports (D-Sub input) 1920 x 1080RB @ 60hz, 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz, 1360 x 768 @ 60Hz, 1280 x 1024 @ 60/75Hz, 1024 x 768 @ 60/70/75hz, 800 x 600 @ 60/72hz and 640 x 480 @ 60/72/75. HDMI runs everything at 60hz, even though the screen has a 120hz refresh rate.

[tomaitheous]

It's a pretty nice set.

I'm very happy with it.

My 670 is one of the highest ranked (GTX 670) cards and it actually outperforms the lesser GTX 680s manufactured by companies like Sparkle. It's pretty much a GTX 680, minus a couple hundred Cuda cores. It has the same PCB, voltage regulation and base clock as the GTX 680. I run my card at 1280Mhz (had it as high as 1293) with the memory overclocked to 6600 Mhz. I'm either going to get a 2nd one of these cards (The price and demand is still pretty high for this card), or get a GTX 780. The only reason I'd get the 780, is because the 2GB of VRAM with my current card is cutting it pretty close. I've seen Battlefield 4 use as much as 1900 MB of memory and I'm pretty sure there will be 1080p titles in the future that will exceed that as well.

The 7870 is somewhere between a GTX 660 and the 660 ti; It's a pretty good card. Yeah, I'm not a big fan (no pun inteded) of the heat output from the 290. I wonder if an after-market cooler could keep that card under 90c? The R9 280x is quite a banger for the price, with a much cooler operating temperature.

Oh, that's a pretty beefy card then.

I originally was trying to upgrade to the 280x when they first came out. I wanted the Asus verion; $330. But it sold out like hot cakes (newegg). A few places had it, like Amazon - but Amazon now charges tax for Arizona. So that's a no go. It's factory standard clock is 1100mhz compared to the $300 cards that are 850/900mhz. And that's just the base clock, the turbo clock is higher. I originally bought a 7770ghz edition card and was quite happy with it, but soon upgraded as I was playing a lot more PC stuff. I got the 7870 OC version on sale for $190 (originally $270). Super happy with it. But looking back, I should have gotten the 760, or 7970 for an extra $100+. The 7770ghz was the first time that I had run a non nvidia card since decades. I hated ATI's drivers (ran a ATI 9700pro on a second system and hated the drivers for it - good performance though. End up trading it away). The GTX 770 is now $350 range (cheaper ones are $330 range IIRC). I figured why not spend the extra +$70 over the 280x or +$50 over the 770 and get the 290. Well, once the cooling issue it resolved with better design (something by asus or vapor chamber from sapphire IIRC).

I just looked at the manual for my LCD display. It supports (D-Sub input) 1920 x 1080RB @ 60hz, 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz, 1360 x 768 @ 60Hz, 1280 x 1024 @ 60/75Hz, 1024 x 768 @ 60/70/75hz, 800 x 600 @ 60/72hz and 640 x 480 @ 60/72/75. HDMI runs everything at 60hz, even though the screen has a 120hz refresh rate.

Before I bought the TV ( 2 yeas old now IIRC), I did a lot of research. Lots of people were saying that Insignia was BB in house brand (their upper tier brand), but that Toshiba was the actual manual factor for these sets. The set was on sale for $800 at the time (originally $1200) and so was the exact same Toshiba equivalent (which is probably not a coincidence). Yeah, all those modes and refresh rates look exactly like what my set supports. With the exception that I can run those through HDMI.

BTW, I have a few LCDs that only support DVI. So I bought a hdmi to dvi converter. Ran HDMI out on the computer and put the convert on the receiving end of the monitor. It worked perfect (maybe the protocols for video are the same?), you just don't get any audio - obviously. Maybe that'll work for you TV. I run audio straight to my receiver for the PC, but other devices - the TV optical out to the deck. A weird thing though, sometimes on reboot the system will enable audio through the hdmi cable coming from the PC. And I'll have two volume bars in volume control. When I play Lost Planet 3 for PC with this setup, some audio channels come out the hdmi port and some could out the direct port. I thought it was broken at first, because I had the internal speakers of the TV set to 0, so I couldn't hear some sound effects or voices. Took me a sec to figure out what was going on - lol.

Huh, lots of resolutions supported over HDMI, I wonder why it lists the vertical and horizontal frequency seperately and then has a Pixel Clock Frequency. All of the vertical frequencies are close to 60Hz aside from one or two odd ones, the horizontal frequencies are all over the place, and the Pixel Clock Frequency hits up to 148Mhz, or as low as 25Mhz. There is no mention of any sort of native resolution and twelve resolutions to choose from including VGA, SVGA, WXVGA, SXGA, 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p 24 Vert Hz and 1080p 60 Vert Hz. It doesn't look as though I can get more than 60 Vertical Hz in any resolution, assuming that is the spec I am looking for to get better than 60FPS.

If you have an Nvidia card, you might want to try out Rivatuner (sp?) and manually try force higher refresh modes and see how your set handles them. Some monitors unofficially support higher refresh rates. They just have to be forced.

[gamevet]

BTW, I have a few LCDs that only support DVI. So I bought a hdmi to dvi converter. Ran HDMI out on the computer and put the convert on the receiving end of the monitor. It worked perfect (maybe the protocols for video are the same?), you just don't get any audio - obviously. Maybe that'll work for you TV. I run audio straight to my receiver for the PC, but other devices - the TV optical out to the deck. A weird thing though, sometimes on reboot the system will enable audio through the hdmi cable coming from the PC. And I'll have two volume bars in volume control. When I play Lost Planet 3 for PC with this setup, some audio channels come out the hdmi port and some could out the direct port. I thought it was broken at first, because I had the internal speakers of the TV set to 0, so I couldn't hear some sound effects or voices. Took me a sec to figure out what was going on - lol.

That is weird.

I pretty much don't have audio enabled for the livingroom LCD, since it's all connected to 5.1 surround. I have a 20' D-Sub connection that I keep connected to the back of the television, for whenever I want to connect a PC with it. The last time I connected it that way, I just took the fiber connection from my television and moved it over to my Soundblaster Recon 3D soundcard.

My LG monitor in the office doesn't have internal speakers, since it is a computer grade monitor. I generally use my Turtle Beach X12 headphones (with Earforce DSS)while gaming on that setup.

Once I get a power supply for my old case, I'm going to throw my old Q9650 rig (2 x GTX 460s in sli) into the living room and use it for an HTPC and light gaming. I may try those 75hz modes out, just to see how it performs and looks. I'm not a big can of analog (D-sub) RGB though.

The 7770ghz was the first time that I had run a non nvidia card since decades. I hated ATI's drivers (ran a ATI 9700pro on a second system and hated the drivers for it - good performance though. End up trading it away).

I've been an NVidia user dating back to the Geforce 2. I've seen several AMD cards that performed very well for the price, but didn't go that direction because of all the horror stories about their drivers and how unreliable cross-fire has been. They've really stepped it up in the past couple of years, and their driver issues seem to be remedied. I wouldn't mind owning an AMD card, but I just like how well NVidias cards work in sli.

[Lan Di]

Corrinne Yu swaps Halo for PS4. The principal engine programmer for Gearbox (Borderlands) and the Microsoft studio 343 Industries (Halo 4) has joined Naughty Dog to work on the new Sony console.





Link--->http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...s-halo-for-ps4

[sketch]

Corrinne Yu swaps Halo for PS4. The principal engine programmer for Gearbox (Borderlands) and the Microsoft studio 343 Industries (Halo 4) has joined Naughty Dog to work on the new Sony console.





Link--->http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...s-halo-for-ps4

I'm not a programmer myself, but I always get the impression no one likes programming in a windows environment. I have a friend who is a self-taught programmer who has worked in all sorts of environments for decades, and he has always complained about windows programming. He's more of a UNIX guy (which is the only reason he switched from Windows to Macs).

[gamevet]

It reminds me of how AMD is promoting mantle (doesn't use Direct-X) for their latest videocards, with Battlefield 4 getting a patch in December that will improve performance for AMD's R9 GPUs.

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases...-2013nov4.aspx

[bultje112]

Working at a place that sells video games, currently I have to say that it kind of irritates me that neither company made enough consoles to meet demand. Xbox Ones and PS4s are entirely sold out, we have three different PS4 games in stock, and most of the One launch titles, but no accessories for it.

Kind of disappointing, but it happens I suppose.

they do that on purpose, you realise that don't you?

[bultje112]

My old IBM G78 CRT would run at 75hz, with a maximum resolution of @ 1600 x 1200.

My LCD is a Samsung LN52A630. It's very simular to the A650 in this review. It's a 120Hz (Auto Motion Plus) display that ranked very high in reviews, even being very comparable with what Pioneer had at the time. It supports 24hz for movies, but I'm not quite sure if it would support the 70hz and 75hz refresh rates. I've only used the PC port (Analog RGB) a couple of times with my laptop and my old Q9650 rig I'd built in 2010. It would be interesting to see what setting I could do with my i5-2500K/EVGA GTX 670 FTW! rig, but the last time I had connected it to this display, I'd used the HDMI port.

I run my games with Vsync enabled, and with Nvidia's Adaptive Vsync, the games run ultra smooth when the fps drops below 60fps. I get to keep my settings at 1080p, with most games set to the maximum settings. It's a win-win!

What model is your television?




Final Fantasy XIII rendered at a higher resolution on the PS3, but it was still output @ 720p on the display. I don't recall ever seeing my Samsung LCD showing 360 games as being output as 720p, but with the PS3 it would show up at that resolution 99% of the time. PSN games and Wipeout HD show up as 1080p on the PS3 and man does Wipeout HD look excellent at that resolution.

Do you think the limited VRAM of the PS3 was the reason why most games are being output at 720p, or does the 360 just have better upscaling hardware onboard?

on my ps3 ff13 always showed in 1080p. same with gran turismo 5.

[Kamahl]

I'm not a programmer myself, but I always get the impression no one likes programming in a windows environment. I have a friend who is a self-taught programmer who has worked in all sorts of environments for decades, and he has always complained about windows programming. He's more of a UNIX guy (which is the only reason he switched from Windows to Macs).

For non-game related stuff it is the worst, at least from my experience. Ever noticed how on Mac OSX and Linux the programs typically fit together? Like, they mostly look the same and follow similar conventions? That's *impossible* on windows.

[Thierry Henry]

Man broadcasts footage of his naked and passed-out wife live online through his PlayStation 4 after stripping her clothes off while she was in a drunken stupor


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2lkYYVVrE


I'm guessing Sony will have to make some adjustments to the Twitch / Playroom features going forward. Anyone remember the stories of the nude UNO players on the Xbox 360?

[NeoVamp]

Xbone wants to watch me fap, while PS4 wants me to watch naked wimmenz.

PS4 FO' LIFE YO!

[sheath]

If she wasn't in on the stunt he isn't a married man anymore. If she was in on the stunt they are yet another couple who should never use the term husband or wife.

[bultje112]

why can't I see her face?

[gamevet]

on my ps3 ff13 always showed in 1080p. same with gran turismo 5.

It's been 3 years since I've played FF XIII. I just remember reading the comparisons between the 360 and PS3 version. You are correct, it does display in 1080p and looks pretty sweet.

GT5 falls under that 1% I was talking about, and it's one of the few BR disc games the really is being rendered at 1080p. It's a beautiful looking game.