N64/PS1/Saturn/DC sales - US NPD

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Well, there is the possibility that with a delayed Dreamcast and a not discontinued Saturn that RE2 may have come out on the Saturn. If I remember correctly the main reason Capcom cancelled the Saturn version was simply because with the Dreamcast entering the picture they were spread thin over too many consoles in Japan at least and that the Saturn had been discontinued.

[A Black Falcon]

Oh, it wasn't another Sony moneyhat, like Tomb Raider 2? I mean, RE2 released in December 1997 in Japan, a full year before the Dreamcast...

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Oh, it wasn't another Sony moneyhat, like Tomb Raider 2? I mean, RE2 released in December 1997 in Japan, a full year before the Dreamcast...

Capcom didn't cancel Saturn Resident Evil 2 until late 1998, the same time they announced the Dreamcast version. There's articles from May of 1998 in some European magazines about the Saturn version with screenshots.

And the game didn't release in 1997. It released in January of 1998 with the Dualshock versions coming about the same time as the Saturn cancellation. I honeslty wouldn't be surprised if the main reason for the cancellation was due to Sega shifting focus. After that the only other games they released on the system were Street Fighter Alpha 3, Dungeons and Dragon's Collection, and Final Fight Revenge. And that's probably more to do with those games not being difficult conversions. All three of those releases show some sign of laziness/rush jobs versus Capcoms previous port quality.

[Vector2013]

After that the only other games they released on the system were Street Fighter Alpha 3, Dungeons and Dragon's Collection, and Final Fight Revenge. And that's probably more to do with those games not being difficult conversions. All three of those releases show some sign of laziness/rush jobs versus Capcoms previous port quality.

Isn't SFA2 and SFA3 on Saturn regarded as the best of those versions (even compared to later DC versions) ?

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...on-Sega-Saturn

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Isn't SFA2 and SFA3 on Saturn regarded as the best of those versions (even compared to later DC versions) ?

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...on-Sega-Saturn

Yes they are. But there are still examples of laziness in the Saturn port of Alpha 3:

-The load times are not fully optimized making them slower than games like X-Men vs Street Fighter, Vampire Savior, Etc. Basically in between matches there's a pause while it loads.
-During the Auto Demo the game will stop and show a loading screen going between the ranking screen and the title screen for some bizarre reason.
-In World Tour mode everything is a direct port of the PS1 version, load times included.
-The PS1 version got nice gradients on the health bars and a few other touch ups the Saturn didn't. Yes the gradient isn't there in the Arcade either, it still doesn't excuse them not putting it in.
-Capcom went out of their way to include English in Vampire Savior, but didn't for this game.
-The audio abruptly cuts out at the end of a match instead of fading out like all other versions.

[Vector2013]

Okay, from thread looks like these are more negatives.

"A few negative aspects of the Saturn version are:
-only 2 players can play in dramatic battle at the same time, while the DC version lets 3 people play simultaneously.
-there is no random background select in VS mode. The background is determined by the character player one selects (the DC version lets you select random backgrounds).
-The transparencies present before and after each round are replaced with the standard Saturn "mesh" pattern since the Saturn does not have hardware transparencies. There is a way to enable the transparencies with a mode in the option screen, but I've found that it *can* slow the game down in spots.
-The DC version has one extra background not found in the Arcade, PS and Saturn versions, but it's a cheesy, generic background with a dirt suface with clouds passing by in the background, hardly interesting.

Mind you, these are only anal-retentive and miniscule differences IMO, and despite these, the Saturn version is superior to the PS/DC versions in every other way particularly in the visuals and gameplay.

Also, whoever said the load times are long is dead wrong. The load times are only slightly longer than the DC version, which means matches load in about 1-2 seconds at most. The PS version has you waiting for an unbearable amount of time."

[TrekkiesUnite118]

You misread what I said. The load times are longer than PREVIOUS CAPCOM SATURN PORTS. X-men vs SF, MSH vs SF, and Vampire Savior don't have that pause between matches or loading screens for the ranking screen. That's why it's an issue of being lazy/rush-job. The issue arises when it's a case of previous ports doing things better than it.

A lot of the issues you listed don't fall into that as they are either par for the course for Saturn ports or they are bonus features of the Dreamcast version.

[Vector2013]

You misread what I said.

I didn't misread what you said at all. Why have that assumption ?

The load times are longer than PREVIOUS CAPCOM SATURN PORTS. X-men vs SF, MSH vs SF, and Vampire Savior don't have that pause between matches or loading screens for the ranking screen.

Yes I read that when you said it the first time. When did I type about load times or misread anything you said about load times ? Was just asking even though it had lazy aspects isn't it regarded as the best version. You answered.

That's why it's an issue of being lazy/rush-job. The issue arises when it's a case of previous ports doing things better than it.

I agree it's a lazy aspect.

A lot of the issues you listed don't fall into that as they are either par for the course for Saturn ports or they are bonus features of the Dreamcast version.

I just quoted text from that thread I linked, which listed some different negatives than you listed. Hence quote marks in my previous post. Just because a guy from 7 years ago also typed about load times doesn't mean I misread about what you said about load times.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I didn't assume, you said "Who ever said the load times are long is dead wrong!" in response to my comment about the load times being longer than previous RAM cart releases.

[Vector2013]

I didn't assume, you said "Who ever said the load times are long is dead wrong!" in response to my comment about the load times being longer than previous RAM cart releases.

I even answered this in my previous reply. I didn't say that. It's a quote from a guy from 7 years ago. See quote marks ? It's from post # 34 http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...a-Saturn/page2 plus I further explained just because I quoted a guy who gave other negatives (which is why I replied to your negative list, people can see your negatives and his negatives text to know more about flaws of Saturn sfa3) but mentioned load times, doesn't mean I misread about what you said about load times.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Learn to use the quote button.

The formatting of that post looks like you're paraphrasing what someone wrote and putting in your own opinion.

[Vector2013]

Learn to read quote marks, they look like this " ".

Learn to use the quote button.

I know how to use the quote button on this site. But I usually don't put text in quote boxes from other site's when I post it here, I put " marks at the beginning and end, like journalists do when they quote people.

Bottom line, you were wrong.

[Vector2013]

I see you edited your post to further put this "The formatting of that post looks like you're paraphrasing what someone wrote and putting in your own opinion." No it's obvious I put quote marks there, because I was quoting other negatives from that thread than you wrote here, even initially said it's from the thread, the thread that I previously linked and it's even in quote marks.

Here let me use quote button.

Vector

Okay, from thread looks like these are more negatives.

"A few negative aspects of the Saturn version are:
-only 2 players can play in dramatic battle at the same time, while the DC version lets 3 people play simultaneously.
-there is no random background select in VS mode. The background is determined by the character player one selects (the DC version lets you select random backgrounds).
-The transparencies present before and after each round are replaced with the standard Saturn "mesh" pattern since the Saturn does not have hardware transparencies. There is a way to enable the transparencies with a mode in the option screen, but I've found that it *can* slow the game down in spots.
-The DC version has one extra background not found in the Arcade, PS and Saturn versions, but it's a cheesy, generic background with a dirt suface with clouds passing by in the background, hardly interesting.

Mind you, these are only anal-retentive and miniscule differences IMO, and despite these, the Saturn version is superior to the PS/DC versions in every other way particularly in the visuals and gameplay.

Also, whoever said the load times are long is dead wrong. The load times are only slightly longer than the DC version, which means matches load in about 1-2 seconds at most. The PS version has you waiting for an unbearable amount of time."

you said "Who ever said the load times are long is dead wrong!"

Incorrect.

The formatting of that post looks like you're paraphrasing what someone wrote and putting in your own opinion.

It has quote marks plus I said it's from link, the thread link I previously posted. I re explained saying it was post 34, so you go from I misread, I said, well paraphrasing to - no, you were wrong.

I didn't assume

You assumed I misread what you said about load times, you assumed I said it (text in quotes) even though I said it's from other thread as it lists some negatives you might not have mentioned (that's why I posted it) and had it in quote marks. You were wrong. It's okay.

We will let others reading posts 304 to 313 decide, but it's obvious you said I was misreading or I was saying things that I wasn't.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

You know, we could avoid this kind of shit if you would just post properly. It's not my fault your formatting blended together.

When most journalists quote someone with quote marks they will do something to block it off to make it easier to read. Very rarely do you see quotes in professional publications that is formatted as poorly as your post up above.

Because of your poor formatting I read your post like this (and I'm sure I'm not the only one):

Okay, from thread looks like these are more negatives.

"A few negative aspects of the Saturn version are:
-only 2 players can play in dramatic battle at the same time, while the DC version lets 3 people play simultaneously.
-there is no random background select in VS mode. The background is determined by the character player one selects (the DC version lets you select random backgrounds).
-The transparencies present before and after each round are replaced with the standard Saturn "mesh" pattern since the Saturn does not have hardware transparencies. There is a way to enable the transparencies with a mode in the option screen, but I've found that it *can* slow the game down in spots.
-The DC version has one extra background not found in the Arcade, PS and Saturn versions, but it's a cheesy, generic background with a dirt suface with clouds passing by in the background, hardly interesting.

Mind you, these are only anal-retentive and miniscule differences IMO, and despite these, the Saturn version is superior to the PS/DC versions in every other way particularly in the visuals and gameplay.

Also, whoever said the load times are long is dead wrong. The load times are only slightly longer than the DC version, which means matches load in about 1-2 seconds at most. The PS version has you waiting for an unbearable amount of time."

Instead of how you intended it like this:

Okay, from thread looks like these are more negatives.

"A few negative aspects of the Saturn version are:
-only 2 players can play in dramatic battle at the same time, while the DC version lets 3 people play simultaneously.
-there is no random background select in VS mode. The background is determined by the character player one selects (the DC version lets you select random backgrounds).
-The transparencies present before and after each round are replaced with the standard Saturn "mesh" pattern since the Saturn does not have hardware transparencies. There is a way to enable the transparencies with a mode in the option screen, but I've found that it *can* slow the game down in spots.
-The DC version has one extra background not found in the Arcade, PS and Saturn versions, but it's a cheesy, generic background with a dirt suface with clouds passing by in the background, hardly interesting.

Mind you, these are only anal-retentive and miniscule differences IMO, and despite these, the Saturn version is superior to the PS/DC versions in every other way particularly in the visuals and gameplay.

Also, whoever said the load times are long is dead wrong. The load times are only slightly longer than the DC version, which means matches load in about 1-2 seconds at most. The PS version has you waiting for an unbearable amount of time."

To add insult to injury you didn't even link to the source which made it even less apparent you were quoting someone. When a quote is that large and spans over multiple paragraphs/breaks with different formatting styles you really should do more than just a quote mark to make it evident you are still quoting someone.

[Vector2013]

Bottom line, you didn't see quote marks. So that is your fault. I did link source in previous post, we both had the link in our 2 posts (you had it in quote in post 305) in the next post I said from thread it looks like more negatives, then quoted the text.