square enix dislikes legally jail broken devices

[Kamahl]

Interestingly enough a cracked version of the game would not have this problem at all (since the crackers would patch it out). Gotta hurt those evil paying costumers that don't agree with having restrictions on a physical device they legally bought.

[Knuckle Duster]

You failed to read my post and soapboxed for little viable reason.
DRM can be good. As long as you don't take away consumer rights.

Jailbreaking can lead to serious problems like people out to destroy your devices with malicious viruses, and bugs that can corrupt your OS.

Why don't also ask the millions of PS3 owners who lost all their information during the PSN hack of 2011 or better yet, get on your soapbox about why what happened to them is a good thing?


There's a difference between modding a device to do other functions and hacking it to do illegal things.

PS3 owners who lost their information during the hack of 2011? You mean the hack where Sony in their infinite wisdom decided to pool all of their customer's personal information on their easily accessible, widely shared developer network?

Jailbreaking can lead to serious problems and huge benefits, like cracking obtuse restrictions, enabling wanted features, and offering bug fixes.

Look at FFT WotL on PSP. It runs like slow shit, but the community patched it to make it the best version of that game you can get. Look at Dark Souls on PC, It was a botched port, and it's now it runs good. Look at the mods people are making on PC due to a more open environment. Look at all the translation patches for games that aren't being localized. Look at XBMC, one of the best media centers you can get, totally free, and originally built for the modded xbox.


The world isn't as black and white, good vs evil, completely retarded as you believe it is, MrSega. We all know piracy hurts the bottom line, we also all know better than to believe jailbreaking or modding is the ultimate-evil level bullshit you say it is.

[Kamahl]

Don't bother KD, MrSega drank the kool-aid. Once you do there's no going back. I've seen what that kool-aid can do to people, some even liked Metro on Windows 8... on a desktop PC.
It's a worse fate than death.

[Knuckle Duster]

Don't bother KD, MrSega drank the kool-aid. Once you do there's no going back. I've seen what that kool-aid can do to people, some even liked Metro on Windows 8... on a desktop PC.
It's a worse fate than death.

I'm using it right now on a new laptop. It's such a fucking messy OS. It's like they slapped a fresh coat of paint on Vista again, and in the process decided to rearrange and hide everything under a GUI with 2 different running application pools. I used to do support for microsoft. Right now, I absolutely need to live with run command to find anything and half the time I spend in the GUI is just being lost. It's a headache. I can't wait for them to react and fix everything.

[Occutell]

Is it really THAT bad for folks?
My mom had little problem adjusting to it(granted she works as a secretary) and I've been using it for about 3 weeks now on an old vista laptop without much of a problem.

I mean, I don't like the whole of the system, but it's still pretty ok for me.I love the clean look of the whole of the system(yes that includes the flat desktop), and how speedy it is, but outside of my adobe programs which were restored after a few updates, I've not really had any trouble navigating between the two, and this is a person who spends 95% of his time in the desktop. If Anything, the Modern UI is killing my web browsing habits as opposed to my desktop use.
I no longer visit Weather sites, finance sites, netflix, skydrive or outlook simply because they're all available on the OS itself.

I'm just honestly curious is all.

[MrSega]

Is it really THAT bad for folks?
My mom had little problem adjusting to it(granted she works as a secretary) and I've been using it for about 3 weeks now on an old vista laptop without much of a problem.

I mean, I don't like the whole of the system, but it's still pretty ok for me.I love the clean look of the whole of the system(yes that includes the flat desktop), and how speedy it is, but outside of my adobe programs which were restored after a few updates, I've not really had any trouble navigating between the two, and this is a person who spends 95% of his time in the desktop. If Anything, the Modern UI is killing my web browsing habits as opposed to my desktop use.
I no longer visit, Weather sites, finance sites, netflix, skydrive or outlook simply because they're all available on the OS itself.

I'm just honestly curious is all.

I've had zero problems with iOS,Android and Vista.

My iPod Touch is first gen, so it Doesn't bother me how limited it is and how it can't be patched.

My Android is good enough. I don't need to get it hacked in order for it to do what I want. The Ice Cream Sandwich OS does what it needs and what I want. I can mod it if I'd like.

[Knuckle Duster]

Is it really THAT bad for folks?
My mom had little problem adjusting to it(granted she works as a secretary) and I've been using it for about 3 weeks now on an old vista laptop without much of a problem.

I mean, I don't like the whole of the system, but it's still pretty ok for me.I love the clean look of the whole of the system(yes that includes the flat desktop), and how speedy it is, but outside of my adobe programs which were restored after a few updates, I've not really had any trouble navigating between the two, and this is a person who spends 95% of his time in the desktop. If Anything, the Modern UI is killing my web browsing habits as opposed to my desktop use.
I no longer visit Weather sites, finance sites, netflix, skydrive or outlook simply because they're all available on the OS itself.

I'm just honestly curious is all.

No, it's great at integrating everything in the active desktop, it's just a power-user's nightmare since it buries everything in the UI, and pushes multiple features down your throat that rely on their cloud service backend.

For example, look at the photo viewing app in Metro, go to desktop mode and you open a picture and it pulls you back out into that, rather than rely on windows photo viewer, the classic app which is still there. You need to swipe it closed with the tablet UI. They duplicated a bunch of applications, and it's just all cobbled together without much uniformity.

Accounts now are default online Microsoft accounts to plug into xbox, outlook, and skydrive web features. All of that is cool in theory, but it's a mess to navigate around in, and I've had to login multiple times. Kicking it over to a local account was the first thing I opted to do. Fuck living in the cloud, I'm not running a tablet, I'm not running a netbook; this is a gaming battle station.

It's not ideal for anybody. Power users, or people who know nothing. It looks good and works well, but in a "good enough" sense. This is their flagship product, and it's a nightmare you need to re-learn how to use. Something that no sane enterprise will adopt for workstations, which is where the majority of their revenue comes from.

[Kamahl]

I'm running Windows 8 too, but I had to apply a patch to replace the shell with the Windows 7 one plus a number of other patches. I has so many nagging issues. None of them keep you from doing anything mind you, but that's not saying much:

I had to:
- Disable the hot corners (the charms barm was driving me insane on the desktop)
- Change all default apps to third party software (because otherwise I'd be yanked back to metro if I tried to look at a picture)
- Disable gestures on the trackpad since those can yank you to metro if you move a little too much.
- Disable that nagging screen you have to pointlessly click on when you lock the screen
- Create shortcuts for power options otherwise I'd have to navigate around to *settings* just to power off my computer.
- Perform extra clicks every time I search for something (since it's now categorized, thankfully fixed in 8.1)
- Have my entire screen obscured every time I want to launch a program/search for something.
- Minimize every app manually or with a keyboard shortcut, No longer is there a "show desktop" button, you know, that one that minimizes all your apps. If there is I couldn't find it.
- Lock my screen every time I want to see if there's a Windows Update (or navigate the freaking control panel to find it) because...
- Windows Update (if left to automatically install), no longer allows you to delay the restart, it happens after 15 minutes period.
- Windows Defender / Security Essentials is completely broken and doesn't present a context menu anymore.
- The Apps screen is terrible for more complex software as there aren't any folders anymore.

And I could go on and on and on, but you get the point. Why would I want to pay for this?

[Knuckle Duster]

I've had zero problems with iOS,Android and Vista.

My iPod Touch is first gen, so it Doesn't bother me how limited it is and how it can't be patched.

My Android is good enough. I don't need to get it hacked in order for it to do what I want. The Ice Cream Sandwich OS does what it needs and what I want. I can mod it if I'd like.

You're against jailbreaking. Yet you're touting Android, which allows you to side load applications. You don't understand what jailbreaking is and why people do it, which is the root of the problem to your arguments here making any sense.

I'm running Windows 8 too, but I had to apply a patch to replace the shell with the Windows 7 one plus a number of other patches. I has so many nagging issues. None of them keep you from doing anything mind you, but that's not saying much:

I had to:
- Disable the hot corners (the charms barm was driving me insane on the desktop)
- Change all default apps to third party software (because otherwise I'd be yanked back to metro if I tried to look at a picture)
- Disable gestures on the trackpad since those can yank you to metro if you move a little too much.
- Disable that nagging screen you have to pointlessly click on when you lock the screen
- Create shortcuts for power options otherwise I'd have to navigate around to *settings* just to power off my computer.
- Perform extra clicks every time I search for something (since it's now categorized, thankfully fixed in 8.1)
- Have my entire screen obscured every time I want to launch a program/search for something.
- Minimize every app manually or with a keyboard shortcut, No longer is there a "show desktop" button, you know, that one that minimizes all your apps. If there is I couldn't find it.
- Lock my screen every time I want to see if there's a Windows Update (or navigate the freaking control panel to find it) because...
- Windows Update (if left to automatically install), no longer allows you to delay the restart, it happens after 15 minutes period.
- Windows Defender / Security Essentials is completely broken and doesn't present a context menu anymore.

And I could go on and on and on, but you get the point. Why would I want to pay for this?

Surprisingly, the show desktop button is still on the task bar in desktop mode, bottom right.

Not surprisingly, if you go to click it, you'll get the tablet corners and bars pop up if you leave them enabled.

[Kamahl]

Surprisingly, the show desktop button is still on the task bar in desktop mode, bottom right.

Not surprisingly, if you go to click it, you'll get the tablet corners and bars pop up if you leave them enabled.

That is such a strange mix of "funny" and "sad", I don't really know how to react. Good to know though!

[Occutell]

No, it's great at integrating everything in the active desktop, it's just a power-user's nightmare since it buries everything in the UI, and pushes multiple features down your throat that rely on their cloud service backend.

For example, look at the photo viewing app in Metro, go to desktop mode and you open a picture and it pulls you back out into that, rather than rely on windows photo viewer, the classic app which is still there. You need to swipe it closed with the tablet UI. They duplicated a bunch of applications, and it's just all cobbled together without much uniformity.

Accounts now are default online Microsoft accounts to plug into xbox, outlook, and skydrive web features. All of that is cool in theory, but it's a mess to navigate around in, and I've had to login multiple times. Kicking it over to a local account was the first thing I opted to do. Fuck living in the cloud, I'm not running a tablet, I'm not running a netbook; this is a gaming battle station.

It's not ideal for anybody. Power users, or people who know nothing. It looks good and works well, but in a "good enough" sense. This is their flagship product, and it's a nightmare you need to re-learn how to use. Something that no sane enterprise will adopt for workstations, which is where the majority of their revenue comes from.

Unanimously agreed on the cloud part I suppose. Forgot about that annoyance. Local account was the first thing I did, as I have 2 MS accounts, personal and one for college. So yes, to hell with the cloud.

The photo app was actually one of the things I got rid of first lol. Too much hassle even on vista, replaced it with Picasa photo viewer.

TBH, I'd probably be more stingy if I hadn't received it through the Dreamspark program through my college for free.

And JESUS Kamahl, I'd pretty pissed to at those revelations x.x

[Kamahl]

TBH, I'd probably be more stingy if I hadn't received it through the Dreamspark program through my college for free.

Hahaha, that's how I got mine too .

[old man]

Here is an interesting tidbit I found while studying up on Win8 that you guys might like.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...windows-8/7456

[Rusty Venture]

Why isn't this the icon?

[madmax2069]

I tried windows 8 for around a month, nuked it off my system and reinstalled windows 7. Windows 8 is rubbish.