Historical impact of the Xbox 360 ?

[tomaitheous]

Xbox360, the first console to prove that people have no problem buying a 2nd one after the first one dies, and then a third one and a fourth one.

Bullshit. Sony was the first. Sony systems were plagued with laser failures. I was on my third PS1 before the PS2 came out. Same bullshit with the PS2, two system died from drive failure (and no, I didn't watch DVD movies on it). Sony didn't do a damn thing about it either. Now, I dislike both M$ and $ony, but at least M$ stepped up the plate and extended the warranty of the 360 to cover the RRD issue. Sony never did anything close to that. It's why I decided not to get a PS3. Nor did I miss out on much, if anything. Though I did buy a PSP. What a turd that turned out to be.


I don't think M$ did much, on the historical front. They just made a game system (always thought the built in blu-ray player thing for the PS3 was stupid). As far was what it contributed to; probably making online gaming a real option. The original xbox had live, but Live really took off with the 360. 360 was thee gaming console for online gaming; Sony was always playing catch-up in that department.

[sheath]

I agree with tomaitheous. How in the world people on this site have actually drank, and bought, and sold, the Sony koolaid that the PS1, PS2, and even PS3 defect rate wasn't also atrocious really blows my mind.

[j_factor]

XBLA really popularized the idea of selling "small" games as low-priced downloads. They did it before PSN, Wiiware, Apple's app store, Google Play, Desura, etc. Steam existed but wasn't really in that business yet.

[Gogogadget]

Xbox 360 failure rate is annoyingly high yeah, my 1st one red ringed, but after I sold it off, and even then it was covered for the new owner so..

But that being said, i've had multiple Playstation 1 & 2s so... I even had to replace my first Genesis.

[Da_Shocker]

Well I never kept my PSx nor my PS2 long enuff to have them crap out on me. And I do think that is one reason why Sony ended up selling huge amounts of PSx's and PS2. I have had my 60 GB PS3 for like 3 years now and it is the longest I have have owned a Sony product and it is still going strong. MS did handle the RROD pretty well IMO. When refurb 360 Elite died they replaced it and gave me a free month of XBL Gold.

[Devil N]

My first-generation Xbox 360 has functioned perfectly fine for over 5 years, until I replaced it with a more practical Slim model. Never experienced any RRODs or other hardware failures myself. The only complaint I had about my old model was that the disk drive didn't open smoothly anymore, which was just regular mechanical wear.

On the other hand, I've had two PS1's with dying lasers, which as it turns out could be remedied by increasing the voltage on the laser by a fraction. The only really bad hardware failure I've had with any console so far was my PS3, which stopped reading discs because of a broken drive motor. I had to take out the entire drive mechanism and replace it with a new one. Fortunately it was a reparation I could do myself, otherwise it could've been a really expensive joke.

So your mileage may vary concerning console reliability. In my experience, the PlayStation has been far worse than the Xbox.

[sheath]

I find it fascinating how prolific the "RROD" is in the public eye when it doesn't even make up the largest amount of failures. It is also interesting how people make it sound like every 360 failed and Microsoft had to fix them or throw them out. 12% of all defective 360s were repaired free of charge because they exhibited the 3RL error. 11.7% of all 360s have DRE errors or some other type of error. At the time of the poll the PS3 exhibited a 10% defect rate, but since Playstations tend to die between 3-4 years of life we'll just have to see if these progressive reports of Bluray drive failures bumps that up.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...t-failure-rate

Report: Wii is most reliable console; 360 has highest failure rate

The Wii is the most reliable console on the market with only 2.7 per cent of owners reporting a system failure compared to 23.7 per cent of Xbox 360 owners, according to an independent report published by warranty provider SquareTrade.

In the study, which covered just the three current-generation home consoles, the PlayStation 3 came out between its two rivals with malfunctions reported by 10 per cent of owners.

It also determined that the Xbox 360's failure rate couldn't be attributed solely to the much-publicised 'Red Ring of Death' hardware issue covered by Microsoft's three-year warranty, since 11.7 per cent of Xbox 360 owners reported different problems.

The study, conducted by the US-based independent warranty provider, randomly selected 16,000 games consoles under its SqaureTrade Warranty for analysis.

As well as looking at failure numbers, it also compared usage amounts, which concluded the PlayStation 3 was the most used of the three home consoles.

Owners used the Sony console for an average of 19.9 days over 24 months, compared to 17.6 days for Xbox 360 and just 8.6 days for Wii.

Breaking down this data into failure rate per 24 hours, the study concluded the 360 was still the least reliable with a 1.35 per cent chance of failure (0.67 per cent excluding RROD), while the PS3 came out at 0.50 per cent and the Wii 0.31 per cent.

Disc read errors and output issues were the most common reported among both PS3 and Xbox 360 owners, while the Wii had more remote control issues than the other two systems.

The report did acknowledge however that the introduction to the Xbox 360 of the Jasper chipset in late 2008 has now "likely solved" the RROD issue.

[Raja]

I never once had an issue with my Xbox 360. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones. The thing works absolutely fine to this day. I actually really enjoy the entire experience on that machine. HD looks great, games are great, online is great - minor complaints here and there like MS points, gold membership for services, etc. But overall the machine I received at least is rock solid.

[gamevet]

I agree with tomaitheous. How in the world people on this site have actually drank, and bought, and sold, the Sony koolaid that the PS1, PS2, and even PS3 defect rate wasn't also atrocious really blows my mind.

Not everyone has had problems with their Playstations. I'm still using my GT3 Edition PS2 in my man-cave and my 60gig PS3 is still going strong. I had to send my 360 Elite in 3 years ago, when I got the dreaded RROD.

I do have issues with Sony's home audio equipment. I had my 5-Disc changed die twice and it just collects dust now.

[stu]

I find it fascinating how prolific the "RROD" is in the public eye when it doesn't even make up the largest amount of failures. It is also interesting how people make it sound like every 360 failed and Microsoft had to fix them or throw them out. 12% of all defective 360s were repaired free of charge because they exhibited the 3RL error. 11.7% of all 360s have DRE errors or some other type of error. At the time of the poll the PS3 exhibited a 10% defect rate, but since Playstations tend to die between 3-4 years of life we'll just have to see if these progressive reports of Bluray drive failures bumps that up.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...t-failure-rate

Report: Wii is most reliable console; 360 has highest failure rate

The Wii is the most reliable console on the market with only 2.7 per cent of owners reporting a system failure compared to 23.7 per cent of Xbox 360 owners, according to an independent report published by warranty provider SquareTrade.

In the study, which covered just the three current-generation home consoles, the PlayStation 3 came out between its two rivals with malfunctions reported by 10 per cent of owners.

It also determined that the Xbox 360's failure rate couldn't be attributed solely to the much-publicised 'Red Ring of Death' hardware issue covered by Microsoft's three-year warranty, since 11.7 per cent of Xbox 360 owners reported different problems.

The study, conducted by the US-based independent warranty provider, randomly selected 16,000 games consoles under its SqaureTrade Warranty for analysis.

As well as looking at failure numbers, it also compared usage amounts, which concluded the PlayStation 3 was the most used of the three home consoles.

Owners used the Sony console for an average of 19.9 days over 24 months, compared to 17.6 days for Xbox 360 and just 8.6 days for Wii.

Breaking down this data into failure rate per 24 hours, the study concluded the 360 was still the least reliable with a 1.35 per cent chance of failure (0.67 per cent excluding RROD), while the PS3 came out at 0.50 per cent and the Wii 0.31 per cent.

Disc read errors and output issues were the most common reported among both PS3 and Xbox 360 owners, while the Wii had more remote control issues than the other two systems.

The report did acknowledge however that the introduction to the Xbox 360 of the Jasper chipset in late 2008 has now "likely solved" the RROD issue.

But those figures still show that the 360 was less reliable than either the PS3 or the Wii, in fact they show that the 360 has twice as many failures as the PS3, so failures were more common on the 360 than on the PS3.

Not everyone has had problems with their Playstations. I'm still using my GT3 Edition PS2 in my man-cave and my 60gig PS3 is still going strong. I had to send my 360 Elite in 3 years ago, when I got the dreaded RROD.

I do have issues with Sony's home audio equipment. I had my 5-Disc changed die twice and it just collects dust now.

I too have had no issues with any of my PlayStation consoles, both my original PS1 (bought in 1996) and my PS2 Slim (bought in 2006) are working great without any issues. I also have a PSOne that I picked up 2nd hand, it works great except that the drive cover is loose and will fall off when you pop it open. Still reads game discs great though. I also have an Original Xbox and a 360Slim that work great too. I guess the CoolAid that Sheath mentioned must protect the systems or maybe its just luck.

[kool kitty89]

Not everyone has had problems with their Playstations. I'm still using my GT3 Edition PS2 in my man-cave and my 60gig PS3 is still going strong. I had to send my 360 Elite in 3 years ago, when I got the dreaded RROD.

Well obviously . . . if EVERYONE had problems, that would mean a 100% dwfwct rate.

The point was that the 360 falure statistics aren't that far off from the PS3 . . . and likely not compared to PSX or PS2.


That said, it does seem like the 360's problems continued a lot longer than Sony's, particularly the GPU overheating/warping/desoldering issues that are the main cause of the 3/4 RROD.


Actually It would be really interesting to compare contemporary PC GPU falure rates to the 360's, given it's also been fairly common for high-power GPUs from ~2005-2010 to have desoldering issues. (and all those cases are related to the limitations of lead-free solder and resulting tighter engineering tolerances compared to leaded solder -lower melting point, lower surface tension, higher rigidity/hardness)

Not sure where you got that info from but.....

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...-fail-in-japan

Anyways MS should've purchased Square rather than Nokia. A Final Fantasy exclusively on the Xbox would've made things very interesting in Japan.

Hmm . . . yeah it's not doing GREAT, but it's on the map at least.

Then again, as far as western consoles go in general, there haven't really been that many in general post-crash, and save MS's none of them were pushed by strong/well funded companies. And the pre-crash American consoles that hit Japan didn't fare all that worse than domestic competitors . . . it's just that no consoles really caught on in Japan prior to the Famicom. (though I can't help thinking that the VCS could have been localized a lot better . . . perhaps more so if managed/licensed by the likes of Namco -granted, they had a tentitive working relationship with Atari, but established nevertheless)

[j_factor]

dwfwct

What are you, Welsh?

[tomaitheous]

and my PS2 Slim (bought in 2006) are working great without any issues. I also have a PSOne that I picked up 2nd hand

The PSone and the PS2 slim are the only Sony systems that I have today, that still work. It took them 5 models or more, before the PSone came out. But then again, I didn't put a lot of miles on the PSone (by then, newer generation systems were coming out).

And same with the PS2 slim. I'm figuring that it's the best built of the PS2 models. Again, mine hasn't died yet and I *did* put a lot of miles on it. But ~everyone~ that I knew, that had a fat PS1 or fat PS2, had problems with those system. Drive/laser failure. It wasn't a secret and Sony didn't do a damn thing about it. I guess they chalked it up to 'normal' wear and tear. Assholes. A system should at least last as long as the generation it's supposed to be in. Not have to be replaced two or three times.

Sony can eat a dick. Though, M$ can eat a dick this coming up generation too - for pulling that bullshit with the xbox one (who says they won't revert back on their policy? TOS can change at any moment's time, and since they had the balls to start off with this - I don't trust them to stick to this new policy change. Sorry M$, "you big lose"). Guess I'm out this generation. PC ftw. If only the Wii U was $100. I'd be tempted to get one then, else it's just a another joke of a system (last gen tech competing with new gen tech. That might have worked for the Wii, it ain't gonna fly this time around. Not at that price - lol). But I digress...

My original 360 did RROD and M$ fixed it free of charge, along with a free month of Live. It did two years later of drive failure, so I did pay out of pocket for that. I only consider it one replacement, since M$ fixed it for free. That's still better than Sony's tracked record, from my experience.

[Yharnamresident]

Does anyone else thinks Microsoft serves no purpose in the game industry? all they're doing, is supplying a platform for third parties to publish on.


I wanna see a Konami or Capcom console. They have the money and franchises to do so.


No Sega shouldn't return, to make more idiotic hardware decisions.

[sheath]

My main gripe is that Sony has had very high defect rates compared to other consoles and hasn't done a thing about it. I've even heard anecdotes of Sony voiding warrantees for "playing the system more than 8 hours in a day." Secondarily to that, the Xbox 360 was rated the worst of all of the current gen consoles, in 2009 mind you all, and its failure rate still topped out at less than a 25% including both 3RL and DRE failures.

I would say that the original PS1, with the Composite cable connections on the back and no Sony cable, must have had a 100% failure rate. Somebody go ahead and tell me you have one of these that doesn't only play on its side or on its top, I will ask you for a video to prove it. PS2 disk read errors has to be more prolific than the 360s legendary 3RL "RROD". Same goes for the NES, that thing's cartridge port just sucks and that is why people love to blow on their carts and ruin the pins. Do these legendary failures prove Nintendo or Sony are bad companies? No, these are cute little quirks or even features for the favorite consoles of all time. I don't get it.