Coping with Nintendo fan boys/girls

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Yeah, don't ever mention the SMS in front of those people. If they even know what it is, they think it's just that crappy system the NES crushed and it had only 10 games. They don't understand that the reason it didn't do well was because Nintendo bought the entire market for themselves, not because the NES was superior.

Indeed. Except for arguably the stock sound chip (though in Japan they had an SMS version with an FM sound chip), the SMS hardware was superior to the NES's in just about every manner. The main thing about the NES is that Nintendo broke the law (although it took several years of lawsuits to get it settled) with restricting third party support to only make games for the NES. If third parties were allowed to support both 8-bit systems equally, we may have seen something more akin to the 16-bit wars during the 8-bit era.

[Obviously]

Did Nintendo have the same contracts in Japan that prevented 3rd parties from supporting other consoles? How did Konami and others break away and make games for the MSX and eventually the PCE?

Some of the third parties in Japan produced their own cartridges so I'm not sure what the whole story is there.

[Black_Tiger]

Did Nintendo have the same contracts in Japan that prevented 3rd parties from supporting other consoles? How did Konami and others break away and make games for the MSX and eventually the PCE?

Considering that Hudson Soft was the biggest third party supporter of the Famicom, yet still went ahead and made the PC Engine to compete against it, it's not as simple as that. In Japan, there was a lot of tradition and honor bs involved that could only be overcome by missed revenues reaching a certain level.

[Guntz]

Did Nintendo have the same contracts in Japan that prevented 3rd parties from supporting other consoles? How did Konami and others break away and make games for the MSX and eventually the PCE?

Konami and others started on older Japanese home computers like the PC-88. Without those computers, there would have been no NES as we know it.

[legomyego]

Sega's first console, the SG-1000, was released alongside the Famicom in Japan and was less capable. It was basically a Colecovision with I believe more RAM. I still think that a lot of Sega's struggles in Japan are due to the company's American roots.

I thought the famicom was just the japanese version of the NES...am I incorrect in thinking that? (Not a game history buff....not old enough really...)

[KitsuneNight]

yes the famicom is the japanese version of the nes

or if you want to be technical the nes is the western version of the famicom
technically they are the same but the famicom has a different form factor
hardwired controllers
no select and start on controller 2 which has a microphone
it has a 30 pin port at the front for extensions
and a host of weird periphrials like a keyboard a synth a ram cardridge and the fds

[midnightrider]

Well, to add to it, the SG-1000 had a follow-up with the original name of the SG-1000 II. The next Sega console would be the Mark III, or as we came to know it, the Master System, which would finally outperform the Famicom/NES, but by the time it came out Nintendo had the U.S. and Japanese markets.

It could have made some impact in the U.S., but Sega never really marketed it.

Heh, I remember watching one of those G4 Icons episodes, and I'm not sure why it came up, but some goofball was explaining that after he tried it in a store, he felt like he was cheating on his wife, and ran back home to his NES. If I was ever that dedicated to one console, I'd have to shoot myself. I would have loved knowing there was another console out there, with different kinds of games, at the time.

[KitsuneNight]

instead sega outsourced it to tonka
who had no fucking clue what to do with it and we all know how well that went

sega handeld the master system themselves in europe

[Black_Tiger]

Well, to add to it, the SG-1000 had a follow-up with the original name of the SG-1000 II. The next Sega console would be the Mark III, or as we came to know it, the Master System, which would finally outperform the Famicom/NES, but by the time it came out Nintendo had the U.S. and Japanese markets.

The SMS came out around the same time as the NES, which did not sell tens of millions of consoles overnight. In places like my hometown, the SMS arrived first.

instead sega outsourced it to tonka
who had no fucking clue what to do with it and we all know how well that went

sega handeld the master system themselves in europe

Sega also handled the SMS in North America.

[KitsuneNight]

^ yes after tonka
http://www.smstributes.co.uk/view_ar...p?articleid=49

[zetastrike]

I owned a NES for 10 years and I couldn't really find much that I enjoyed. Besides the Mega Man games and Castlevania 3, nothing held my interest. It was a letdown. I've only played SMS games through emulation or clones, but I found there's a lot more to like on it.

[midnightrider]

I can't agree with that. It's most likely that the Master System has a better ratio for quality, that's always going to be the double edged sword to 3rd party support, but the NES just has a lot of damn good games, amongst it's library of ****loads of games. Just as much crap though(the other edge of said sword).

So, apparently DKC can throw it's hat into the "fast as Sonic" pool:
(commenter on the 2nd to last paragraph, not the article itself)
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/reco...y-handed-bluff

So, what is it about these things that do get under our skin anyway? I mean I can give the SNES the aesthetic advantage, but not by the country mile overzealous fanboys want to give it. I can't let it have "superiority" because if it were to have that, it would have to excel at every aspect over it's competition, and it clearly doesn't. This would never have been a competition, or an argument, if either console had superiority over the other. It's like what aesthetic advantage it does have is enough to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and DKC is the perfect representative for the console overall, in that aspect.

[negative chill]

So, apparently DKC can throw it's hat into the "fast as Sonic" pool:
(commenter on the 2nd to last paragraph, not the article itself) http://www.usgamer.net/articles/reco...y-handed-bluff

So, what is it about these things that do get under our skin anyway? I mean I can give the SNES the aesthetic advantage, but not by the country mile overzealous fanboys want to give it. I can't let it have "superiority" because if it were to have that, it would have to excel at every aspect over it's competition, and it clearly doesn't. This would never have been a competition, or an argument, if either console had superiority over the other. It's like what aesthetic advantage it does have is enough to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and DKC is the perfect representative for the console overall, in that aspect.

It's also the game that made America complete "graphics" whores, so yeah, thanks a bunch Nintendo! *sarcastic thumbs up*

And as much as I do like DKC's pre-rendered graphics, I think the "crayon drawn" look of Yoshi's Island and Kirby's Dreamland 3 is much more appealing

[old man]

I'm just bumping this for Nintendo thread jawusumness.

[midnightrider]

Heh, well I'm(finally) starting to feel like(pardon my French beforehand, but...): Who gives a shit what these assholes think? Grudge harboring Youtubers, the morons that listen to them, and the douchebags that won't look down their noses past Nintendo, alike.

If any of them gave a damn about this hobby at all, they'd learn to appreciate it all. Even the stuff that actually does suck(still subjective), so they could learn to appreciate what doesn't even more.

Really, it's just time to focus on the games, instead of what these dillholes have to say about the console. (Seriously guys, give some Wiz 'n Liz a go, unless you're just going to go to the Amiga for it instead).