Youtube: Battle for Better-SNES vs. Genesis

[OverDrone]

I knew I'd regret watching this.

All the people sound like damn casuals the way they come off, no surprise there since the information is being relayed by dudes that dress like extras in a Fred Durst music video.

So-called experts that only briefly skim the top of what is possible to know about the 16-bit era games.

[KitsuneNight]

First, we should agree that the Genesis was more or less thee arcade home console. It had more 'arcade-y' type games, IMO. Though that might be my initial exposure to the system early on (pre-Sonic).


@Semmie - LOL, nice middle-school come back! I consider your retarded posts an insult to all things intelligent, so I guess that makes us even (I really hope English isn't your native tongue) Even if I put you on ignore, KD is always quoting you. And I'm sure as hell not gonna put him on ignore. Though you won't be able to read this, unless someone quotes me.

well i think we can all agree on the fact that the megadrive starte doff as the arcade machine at home
and grew out from that

but what exactly constitute as arcade games ?

ie what makes an arcade game ona home console ( other then an arbitrary uneccasary timer in a racing game say super hang on )

[midnightrider]

^Well, I already gave my answer to that.

To me I call that a bit of rank hypocrisy by some . Looking over the amount of people here alone that said and wanted a Sonic game for the Saturn or 32X , that slammed SEGA for not making sequels to fan favourites Mega Drive IP like Streets Of Rage, Mickey Mouse, Ecco ECT on the Saturn while instead making new games like NiGHTS, ClockworkNight .

I may be in a minority, but I'm glad Sega took a chance on new IP's. It may have been an element to their downfall, but at least they didn't go the well too often(not counting Sonic...). I mean I love Streets of Rage as much as the next guy, but 3 games is good enough for me(plus the fan game is great), as I don't put too much stock on setting so much as gameplay. For that, plenty of arcade exclusive beat 'em ups more than make up for it. Sonic got enough games on the Genesis, Master System, and Game Gear for the Saturn to go without(though it probably would have saved the Saturn, or at least slowed it's downfall).

[Vector2013]

I don't want to pick holes but that list isn't that great imo for a lot of reasons

I never said it was. I said I would actually name great games instantly, right off my head, for the system I liked, unlike that guy in video who I posted picture of. It's not a direct compare list. I said that many times, you can list your own answers, like I told others.

for starters Mario Kart doesn't play like VR or like most racers - its use of power ups and battle modes are totally missing in VR and there really isn't an answer to F-Zero or Pioltwings on the Mega Drive and well to even try and compare Vectorman to Super Metroid beggars belief , Castlevannia are simply better on the Snes and seriously have you even played Actraiser ? it plays nothing like Comic Zone or Aletered Beast and to me Contra

Once again, it isn't a direct compare list. The Donkey Kong vs Echo and the text I put after it should have made you realize this. I did put Ghouls N Ghosts for Actraiser so whatever, but I would have named some great genesis games, IF somebody would have said final fight, then me saying sor2 would have slapped that. Those were just the snes games said in video.

[Cornelius Spunkwater]

My contribution:

"This is one of the WORST, most ONE-SIDED comparisons I've ever seen. It doesn't showcase the libraries of each console, half the "facts" are just wrong, and there's just a general aura of ignorance about the whole thing, as the reviewers clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about. This video was clearly intended to be a piece of propaganda that panders to SNES lemmings, rather than an honest exercise in journalism. This whole video is a celebration of mediocrity, and each person that views it is a little dumber for having done so."

[spiffyone]

I don't want to pick holes but that list isn't that great imo for a lot of reasons for starters Mario Kart doesn't play like VR or like most racers - its use of power ups and battle modes are totally missing in VR and there really isn't an answer to F-Zero or Pioltwings on the Mega Drive and well to even try and compare Vectorman to Super Metroid beggars belief

I was agreeing with you through all that, and then...this happened:

Castlevannia are simply better on the Snes

Oh, hell no.

Dracula X is a bastard version of Rondo, and Super Castlevania is anything but "super", as it's the most dumbed down version of Classicvania's ever.
"Ah, but the whip! and the easier jumping!" is what everyone says, but I knew even before Egorapter so easily pointed out the holes in the game design that the game was flawed on a fundamental level.

and to me Contra

This got cut off, but if the rest of that statement was along the lines of "was better on SNES", then understand, while opinions are just opinions: that is an awful opinion. Contra III's side scrolling levels are good, but the overhead levels are complete ass and drag the entire game down. No way in hell is it a better game than Hard Corps.

[Vector2013]

I was agreeing with you through all that, and then...this happened:

I never said it was. I said I would actually name great games instantly, right off my head, for the system I liked, unlike that guy in video who I posted picture of.
It's NOT a direct compare list. I said that MANY times, you can list your own answers like I told others. Once AGAIN, it isn't a direct compare list, but was basically genre vs genre but not really. The Donkey Kong vs Echo and the text I put after it should have made you realize this. I did put Ghouls N Ghosts for Actraiser so whatever, but I would have named some great genesis games as just counters if I was in video instead of just uh sonic uh echo. If they would have said Earthworm Jim for snes, I would have said oh yeah it's better on genesis, or if they say final fight I'd say sor2 and I'd win, but I was listing games somewhat like each other (racing genre, hence mario cart vs vr) but would actually NAME genesis games instantly instead of uh sonic 1 uh sonic 2 uh echo uh uh uh.

Oh, hell no. Super Castlevania is anything but "super", This got cut off, but if the rest of that statement was along the lines of "was better on SNES", then understand, while opinions are just opinions: that is an awful opinion. Contra III's side scrolling levels are good, but the overhead levels are complete ass and drag the entire game down. No way in hell is it a better game than Hard Corps.

Oh snap.

There are games on both systems you can't directly compare, but I'd at least name some great genesis games after snes guy rambled mario world, earthbound, zelda, earthbound, mario kart, earthbound, yoshi island, earthbound, contra 3, earthbound, actraiser, earthbound.

[Cornelius Spunkwater]

Dracula X is a bastard version of Rondo, and Super Castlevania is anything but "super", as it's the most dumbed down version of Classicvania's ever.
"Ah, but the whip! and the easier jumping!" is what everyone says, but I knew even before Egorapter so easily pointed out the holes in the game design that the game was flawed on a fundamental level.

What a bunch of crap. No one's going to argue that Dracula X is a shell of Rondo, but Super Castlevania IV is a damn fine game and a better one than Bloodlines, despite Bloodlines' more satisfying Dracula battle. God forbid that, in 1991, Super Castlevania IV take a...*gasp*...step forward with its level design and controls. If we want to talk "flawed on a fundamental level," maybe we should look back at the first CV. That thing wasn't a game, it was a cheap, frustrating piece of crap just like Ninja Gaiden, and now they're lumped in with a selection of games viewed fondly through rose-colored glasses.

Super Castlevania IV > Bloodlines > Dracula X

Contra III's side scrolling levels are good, but the overhead levels are complete ass and drag the entire game down. No way in hell is it a better game than Hard Corps.

They're about equal in my book. I didn't mind the overhead levels. Also, I think Contra 3 might be harder than Hard Corps.

[Vector2013]

What a bunch of crap. No one's going to argue that Dracula X is a shell of Rondo, but Super Castlevania IV is a damn fine game and a better one than Bloodlines, despite Bloodlines' more satisfying Dracula battle. God forbid that, in 1991, Super Castlevania IV take a...*gasp*...step forward with its level design and controls. If we want to talk "flawed on a fundamental level," maybe we should look back at the first CV. That thing wasn't a game, it was a cheap, frustrating piece of crap just like Ninja Gaiden, and now they're lumped in with a selection of games viewed fondly through rose-colored glasses.

Super Castlevania IV > Bloodlines > Dracula X



They're about equal in my book. I didn't mind the overhead levels. Also, I think Contra 3 might be harder than Hard Corps.

We get bro, you like Super Castlevania and you like it better than Bloodlines. For monthS, whenever this topic comes up, bam you post about how you like super castlevania. We get it bro, we get it.

There are those who like Bloodlines better.

Or those who think Rondo shits on them both.

[Melf]

Personally, I love me some Bloodlines, but I prefer Castlevania IV. I just love the gameplay, the level design, and that awesome soundtrack. It's perhaps my favorite SNES game ever.

My problem with this video isn't the overwhelming Nintendo love. As I said before, that seems to be the bulk of the YouTube retro community (and why I'm so eager to get a podcast mic and a camera!). The lack of Sega isn't just in love but in knowledge in general, and it makes videos like these far too hard to take seriously.

[Knuckle Duster]

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[NeoGeoFanatic]

Castlevania....hmm, great topic here.....I like me some Castlevania....Rondo of Blood is pretty much my favorite....but thats a TG-16, thought this was about SNES vs Genesis....if I had to pick Super Castlevania IV or Bloodlines, i'd have to go with Bloodlines....although the music on Super Castlevania IV has stayed stuck in my mind for YEARS....

[midnightrider]

I see the ones with more variety as the best. III, Rondo, and Bloodlines. More than 1 playable character, and different stage routes just adds a lot to gaming in General. However, it really makes a difference in a genre where stage design is just that important.

[spiffyone]

What a bunch of crap. No one's going to argue that Dracula X is a shell of Rondo, but Super Castlevania IV is a damn fine game and a better one than Bloodlines, despite Bloodlines' more satisfying Dracula battle. God forbid that, in 1991, Super Castlevania IV take a...*gasp*...step forward with its level design and controls

And yet the controls don't mesh with the level design. The level design, on it's face, and the design of the game as a whole, errs towards the previous CV games. The new abilities (controlled jumps, multi way whip) completely go against that design, however.

I mean, for fuck's sake: the enemies patterns go right into the whip. Like they can't get enough of getting whipped. Hearts and sub-items are nigh useless in comparison to the almighty whip, taking out a very important component of the CV design.

The jumps? It's nice that the ability to control direction of jumps mid-air is there, but it completely removes the challenge of the platforming in the game.

Classicvanias were games about pre-planning and pacing. "Super" Castlevania is about gamers wanting to live out their fetish fantasies of being an agile whipping tank.

They're about equal in my book. I didn't mind the overhead levels. Also, I think Contra 3 might be harder than Hard Corps.

Hell no. Just hell no. Contra III is way easier than Hard Corps.

Hell, Contra III is barely more difficult than Gunstar, which is also a better run 'n gun than it, btw.

[spiffyone]

BTW, I think the two systems excelled in different areas, different genres. That's why it was so close, that's why having one without the other is missing something.

SNES's library had the better console-style RPGs (so-called "JRPGs"). It also, IMO, had the better action/adventure games (Link to the Past, Super Metroid, Demon's Crest, etc.). Puzzle games were also better found on SNES.
Genesis's library had the better run 'n guns (Hard Corp, Midnight Resistance, Gunstar, etc.), and possibly computer-style games and RPGs (Starflight, Pirates! Gold, etc.). Sports titles, obviously, were better on Genesis.

I've had this debate before, but I think in terms of platformers, they're just about dead even. Too close to call. SNES usually gets the nod, but I think that it's because the platformers are more known, not because they're all necessarily better. Typically those named for SNES are the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Kirby games. Usually just Sonic is named for the Genesis side, as we saw in that vid, but that's completely overlooking games like Ristar, Dynamite Headdy, Decap Attack, and others.