Most hated game thats actually good

[Gogogadget]

Truly bad games aren't hated, they're either mocked or ignored. Why is Chakan "hated"? Because it had massive potential, and anyone who plays it can see it. It's the disappointment that causes the hate.

If you look at games that routinely get called the worst or most hated on any platform, generally it's terrible shovelware games or games that had zero potential straight out of the starting gate, it's rarer for games like Chakan to come along where as you said, the hate is generally due to the fact that it really could be one of the best games on the Genesis.

Someone should fix the awkward stiff control and speed, and remove the stupid limit on the boss fight, then Chakan would be an awesome game. Excellent music too.

[Jeckidy]

PS3 had a butchered translation into english. The japanese version actually makes more sense storywise. Don't know what the hell happened with that one.

I'd say Rings of Power. It is among the most open-ended 2D RPGs of its generation, but it could've used better graphics, less repetitive dialogue, etc. but of course there were hardware limitations, the worst IMHO being the slowdown. I e-mailed Andy Gavin, one of the creators about it and he said there was an Amiga and PC version which ran really nice. Too bad we'll probably never see it. :\

Trampoline Terror is also widely panned but I found it very addictive.

[Conan]

^Seriously, with all the ROM hackers slaving away at endless level hacks of mario and megaman , im sure someone can clean up Chakan a bit and make it a marvelous masterpiece it should have been!

[IrishNinja]

Phantasy Star 3 is the best one according to me, the generation system is great, I had never seen that before in a RPG.
The opening theme is memorable and stand in your head for a long time. The replay value is also more interesting.

as a stand-alone or title of a different name, it'dve held up way better, i think. moreso than Sword of Vermillion anyway.
but it dropped the aesthetic and so much of PS that it felt like a huge step back, plus there wasn't much variation in the generations as you played through to all endings, honestly.

I'll cast a vote for Eternal Champions.

vanilla or CD? i dug it the genny one in the day but haven't honestly revisited it in forever.

A lot of people really dislike Subterrania. While it's definitely way too hard, I still find myself coming back to try and beat it at least once a week. I really like the music and graphics, except the boss designs, which suck. The physics that some people complain about are actually pretty neat, and it's cool that picking up objects changes your ship's falling acceleration, among other things.

Sub actually gets love in the SHMUP scene, i wanna say, but i think it's natural it takes some slack for such a unique control scheme, honestly.

[IrishNinja]

2 posts cause fuck ya life
also i dont know if Starflight, Haunting and some of those big box ones get hate but i loved em

Ecco the Dolphin and Ecco the Dolphin: The Tides of Time are the first to come to my mind - the game play was intuitive, the graphical schemes were always very nice, especially the CD re-installments as they provided a great ambient backdrop which complimented the eerie tone of the story perfectly...

But, for whatever reason... it's just.... I absolutely hate playing Ecco the Dolphin games. I think that they are good games but not for me.

there was a post on GAF spoilering the whole plot of the ecco series, and...goddamn is it dark. made me look at it all in a whole new light.

I also think Jewel Master and Super Hydlide are among the better Genesis titles in their respective genres (action-platformer and RPG), but some folks vehemently disagree.

funny, i just rebought Super Hydlide, and keep passing on Jewel Master on the cheap but i do intend to get it, for some reason it looks like kenseiden/lord of the sword-y to me, never did play it though.

[goldenband]

also i dont know if Starflight, Haunting and some of those big box ones get hate but i loved em

Naah, Starflight seems like the classic example of a game that everyone praises and very few people actually play. It's been on my need-to-play list for, what, five years now?

funny, i just rebought Super Hydlide, and keep passing on Jewel Master on the cheap but i do intend to get it, for some reason it looks like kenseiden/lord of the sword-y to me, never did play it though.

Both games have subpar graphics (Super Hydlide moreso) but very strong music, especially Jewel Master which is along the lines of Galaxy Force II and other prog-jazz Sega soundtracks of the era.

I know that Joe R. doesn't like Jewel Master much, but I thought it had great flow/stage design and controlled very well. It reminded me a lot of the best 8-bit action-platformers, in a good way.

[IrishNinja]

oh man, does your Starflight copy include the star map? i used that thing so much beating that game, i swear i had practically the whole universe mapped out for shortcut worm holes, even marked off uhlek territory! god id play it again if i still had that map of mine.

[goldenband]

That's actually one reason I didn't touch it for years, because it didn't have the map. I was kind of pissed, actually, that the usually-reliable guy I bought it from billed it as "complete", and when I asked about it he just pointed me to a URL with a scan of the map!

But last year I picked up a second, complete copy at a yard sale that did include the map. Only cost me about $4, or at least I bought it in a lot of 5 CIB Genesis games for $20, which was a steal.

[IrishNinja]

damn, man...congrats! genesis carts aren't too terribly rare for me at garage sales out here, but good CIB ones totally are.

[SegaSonic91]

This might just be me, but I'd have to say Sword of Vermillion, if only for the nostalgia of being the first RPG I ever beat. That said, if someone else doesn't think it's good, I'm not going to argue with them. That game did have its fair share of problems.

Agreed! I really liked that game! I bought it around the same time as PSII&III. Because of my obsessive quest to buy Lunar, I started buying any MD RPG I could find. Stupid UK mags such as Mean Machines always trashed RPGs (they gave Lunar 83% and trashed it, even though they only played up to the boss in the sewers!) so I was turned off them. Not so much by their opinion, but by that opinion AND the fact that when I bought my MD in June '91, PSII was $140 here. Hell, I paid $120 for Wonderboy in Monster World (looooved that game). Well not me actually, I got it for my birthday

I would be mega-surprised if there was a person out there that did not hate any game with the name "RazorSoft" on the front. Ugh! Such crap!!

[KitsuneNight]

oh man, does your Starflight copy include the star map? i used that thing so much beating that game, i swear i had practically the whole universe mapped out for shortcut worm holes, even marked off uhlek territory! god id play it again if i still had that map of mine.

wait wait your telling me i need a fucking map for that game ?!

...damn it i only have a loose cardridge

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Stupid UK mags such as Mean Machines always trashed RPGs (they gave Lunar 83% and trashed it, even though they only played up to the boss in the sewers!) so I was turned off them.

Funny you should mention that. Are you familiar at all with the tale of "Monkey Boy Rox"?

I would be mega-surprised if there was a person out there that did not hate any game with the name "RazorSoft" on the front. Ugh! Such crap!!

I can safely say I've never played any of their games, although supposedly Death Duel wasn't that bad.

One of the really oddball things about RazorSoft was their game Slaughter Sport, AKA Mondu's Fight Palace, AKA Tongue of the Fatman. I remember reading reviews of the earlier PC release of the game (known as "Tongue of the Fatman" at the time) and they all pretty much played it up as the greatest game ever. If I had a PC at the time that could play the game, I probably would've bought it. I was pretty excited later when I heard that RazorSoft was porting it to the Genesis/MegaDrive. Then the reviews came in and they all pretty much described how horrible it was. I couldn't believe that a game whose PC version was so hyped up was actually as bad as these reviews claimed. Anyway, I avoided that game after reading those bad reviews.

In retrospect, I suppose that Slaughter Sport may have actually been relatively good compared to other PC games of its era, but compared to its contemporaries on consoles when the MD/Genesis version was released, it was crap.

wait wait your telling me i need a fucking map for that game ?!

...damn it i only have a loose cardridge

You can get a map for the Genesis version of the game here: http://www.cursorcorner.net/starflight/index.html

A couple of other good sites with Starflight info, though mostly for the PC version:

http://www.starflt.com/tables/
http://necrobones.com/starflt/

[KitsuneNight]

hmm thanks
ill just look for the map though like traysia i wan tto go int ot his one blind
and see where it gets me

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Starflight is playable without the map if you take good notes. The map does make it a bit easier, though.

Hell, the original manual had a sci-fi story in the back that in actuality was pretty much a walk-through for the game!

[SEGA-Jorge]

Eternal Champions desperately needed a more useful training mode and less complicated movements for specials. I'm totally surprised that game wasn't freaking amazing. Sega had the pedigree to make console exclusive fighter that could dominate. Such a weird outcome. I still like that game though.