The Genesis really was better than the Super Nintendo.

[Kamahl]

Don't console wars do the same thing?

*Spends 5 minutes reading comments on an angry video game nerd youtube video*

They do worse...

[Team Andromeda]

SNES's horribly low quality PCM was enough to fool the average person. There are still tons of people on forums who love the music to their favorite SNES games. If Sega CD had a Final Fantasy, it might be a different story. That and Sega CD never added any colors, so that greatly impacted its appeal. Who wants a crummy add-on with horrible looking FMV like this?

Snes games had fab music and in a few area's the Snes was the better machine , in others the Mega Drive had the edge (colours , scaling effects and multiple samples aren't those areas though ). So its so wrong to be a Snes Fanboy, but a-ok to be a Mega Drive fanboy ? . The Sega CD had its own Final Fantasy killer and that was Lunar and Lunar II and Mega CD issues had nothing to do with colour really . Its the sad fact that SEGA didn't use the machine to its fullest and give the machine its full support . SEGA Japan should have had more of its sprite scalers on the system for staters, the likes of Phantasy Star IV should have been on the system with full intro's and speech and more games from SEGA and 3rd parties should have used all the sprite based effects the machine did (on the title screen ect) in game and really used the system more .

[midnightrider]

countless wars, deaths, and mental retardation.

Don't console wars do the same thing?

Just that last one, really.

*Spends 5 minutes reading comments on an angry video game nerd youtube video*

They do worse...

Which video? In case one feels like lowering their IQ.

[Kamahl]

Which video? In case one feels like lowering their IQ.

Any video where he reviews a genesis game, but I was referring to the SNES vs Genesis one (where he compares just the first streets of rage to 3 final fight games).

[midnightrider]

You should have seen the beaut I came across. I'm not sure how I got to the vid that I did, or what it even was(it wasn't AVGN), but one commenter starts in with fabrications about the Genesis' weaknesses, another comes along with actual facts, and the first one comes back with "You're just a butthurt Sega fanboy."

I really can't imagine some the dumber things being said coming from anyone that was there at the time... ...and then I remember the AVGN, Screw Attack, a good portion of Retroware TV, etc....

[EmperorIng]

You have to look on the bright side. All the Genesis shitting has kept prices online relatively low compared to SNES/NES nostalgia-orgies. It was the perfect time for me to start exploring the Genesis library!

I kid; the real perfect time was like 4 years ago when every Genesis game still cost $2, maybe $5 complete, lol.

[Spinball]

Because there are different kinds and some people prefer one kind while other prefer another.

It's actually a very appropriate comparison, considering how fanatical video game fanboys and strongly religious people hold their points of view and cannot be swayed.

"Our god is bigger than their god"

Exactley what i ment.

Well im still suprised about prices. At a dutch ebay version "Marktplaats.NL" some one did bid for SOR3 for 90 euro ! Crazy.

[Mega Drive Bowlsey]

This argument has been raging since the school playgrounds of the early 90s and will never die. While I know that both machines have great games some of the crap that is spouted on Youtube and elsewhere on the net about the Mega Drive by Nintendo fans is truly staggering. Take that dickhead the angry video game nerd, James or whatever his name is, after having the nerve to imply that he would try his best to be unbiased when discussing the Genesis V SNES he then goes on to make some of the most absurd comparisons of games on the two platforms that I've ever seen. Most of the comparisons are truly ridiculous and unfair in the extreme but the one that really pissed me off was when he was comparing sound and played the very nice, almost orchestral music from either one of the Final Fantasy games or Secret of Mana on the SNES (I can't remember which) to demonstrate the sound capabilities of the SNES, and which game did he use to show off the music capabilites of the Mega Drive? Rocket Knight Adventures? Yuzo Koshiro's pumping soundtracks from Revenge of Shinobi and Streets of Rage? The awesome thumping bass of tracks from Thundeforce IV, Alien 3 or EA's Strike games? No...he chose Battletoads... Now some might argue that he isn't aware of the games I just mentioned for the Mega Drive and I don't believe that for a second, I think he knows very well how great they sound and just doesn't want to give the Mega Drive any more credit than he absolutely has to due to the physical pain it obviously causes him but, for the sake of argument, let's say that he truly is unaware of them, well in that case what the fuck is he doing presenting himself as some sort of authority on the history of games and consoles? It's utter tools like him that gives Nintendo zealots such a bad name.

On a side note my eight year old nephew loves playing on his Nintendo Wii and is a huge fan of Mario Kart and the Mario platformers but his absolute favourite game is Sonic Classic Collection that I got him for his DS on his fifth birthday. He always asked me about my SEGA collection and asked me what gaming was like when I was his age and as soon as he played on the old classic Sonic games on his DS and then played Streets of Rage II with me on my Mega Drive he was hooked and, because he heard me joking about it, now keeps saying that SEGA does what Nintendon't! You see what levels those Nintendo drones that infest the internet have made me stoop to? I've become as childish as them now. Well they started it!

[JumpingRyle]

I think the SNES lovers are, on the whole, much more defensive about the SNES because they had to be back in the day. The SNES was the uncool kiddie system, while the Genesis was the mature, adult-oriented system with violent arcade games. I know others have said this before, and it was certainly true in my situation, but when I was younger nobody wanted an SNES and if their parents bought them one they felt embarrassed by it. But the people who had an SNES and thought it was great had to really stand up for their system, and they still feel a strong attachment to it today, which is why there are so many SNES fanboys.

[Mega Drive Bowlsey]

I think the SNES lovers are, on the whole, much more defensive about the SNES because they had to be back in the day. The SNES was the uncool kiddie system, while the Genesis was the mature, adult-oriented system with violent arcade games. I know others have said this before, and it was certainly true in my situation, but when I was younger nobody wanted an SNES and if their parents bought them one they felt embarrassed by it. But the people who had an SNES and thought it was great had to really stand up for their system, and they still feel a strong attachment to it today, which is why there are so many SNES fanboys.

Are you basically saying that a lot of them have memories of being bullied by Mega Drive fans throughout their childhood, for owning a percieved 'kiddie machine', and the psychological damage this caused them means that they are now unable to talk about the 16-bit era of gaming with anything even remotely approaching a balanced viewpoint? It's a theory! For what it's worth where I grew up SEGA was king and I only knew of one boy who had a SNES. I'm sure that position was reversed though depending on where in the UK, and indeed where in the world, that you grew up. I'm sure there were some guys and gals scattered here and there flying the SEGA flag alone surrounded by a sea of Nintendo fanboys back in the day. I'm not sure the unbelievable bias that exists online against SEGA and their past glories today is entirely down to Ninty fans feeling like some sort of oppressed people back when the Mega Drive ruled but like I said, it's a theory.

[JumpingRyle]

I think that, for whatever reason, SNES fans have really maintained loyalty to their system over the years while Genesis fans have just moved on. Maybe for SNES fans, the "war" is still going on and they aren't going to be satisfied until their system is crowned king. Where does this loyalty come from?

Another theory of mine is that (among other things) it's related to the type of game that was popular on the SNES: the RPG. Players really become attached to RPG stories and characters. Just tell an SNES fanboy that you hate Chrono Trigger and watch their reaction! I don't think the more arcade-style games on the Genesis developed the same level of attachment in players.

It's also been my experience that N64 fans are incredibly defensive about the N64. Usually all it takes to get them started is to mention that I had a Playstation. "The N64 is so much superior!! How can you stand all that pixelation?? And the load times are horrible on the playstation! The N64 is designed for 3D graphics! And it has Goldeneye!!! And Zelda!" And I just nod my head and wonder why anybody still cares... Any retro news articles on the internet about the N64 will inevitably result in fanboys arguing about how superior the N64 was, but articles about the PS1 never seem to.

[zetastrike]

It's also been my experience that N64 fans are incredibly defensive about the N64. Usually all it takes to get them started is to mention that I had a Playstation. "The N64 is so much superior!! How can you stand all that pixelation?? And the load times are horrible on the playstation! The N64 is designed for 3D graphics! And it has Goldeneye!!! And Zelda!" And I just nod my head and wonder why anybody still cares... Any retro news articles on the internet about the N64 will inevitably result in fanboys arguing about how superior the N64 was, but articles about the PS1 never seem to.

That sounds so familiar for some reason. Where have I encountered that, and who from? It's going to drive me nuts.....

[Mega Drive Bowlsey]

I think that, for whatever reason, SNES fans have really maintained loyalty to their system over the years while Genesis fans have just moved on. Maybe for SNES fans, the "war" is still going on and they aren't going to be satisfied until their system is crowned king. Where does this loyalty come from?

Another theory of mine is that (among other things) it's related to the type of game that was popular on the SNES: the RPG. Players really become attached to RPG stories and characters. Just tell an SNES fanboy that you hate Chrono Trigger and watch their reaction! I don't think the more arcade-style games on the Genesis developed the same level of attachment in players.

It's also been my experience that N64 fans are incredibly defensive about the N64. Usually all it takes to get them started is to mention that I had a Playstation. "The N64 is so much superior!! How can you stand all that pixelation?? And the load times are horrible on the playstation! The N64 is designed for 3D graphics! And it has Goldeneye!!! And Zelda!" And I just nod my head and wonder why anybody still cares... Any retro news articles on the internet about the N64 will inevitably result in fanboys arguing about how superior the N64 was, but articles about the PS1 never seem to.

The strong point of the SNES was certainly it's library of RPG titles I agree and as you say they probably account for at least half of the Nintendo machine's almost fanatical following.

Yes you raise a good point. It's certainly not just the SNES that has Ninty fans still screaming about it's supposed superiority to this day, they react just as furiously when asked about the N64 and truly regard it as the better machine when compared to the PS1. Very bizarre behaviour.

[Obviously]

Nintendo still exists as a hardware developer and is still making new games in the same franchises that existed in the 8 and 16-bit eras (while Sega just keeps hammering away with the sometimes decent but often horrible Sonic). It's not much of a mystery as to why Nintendo has more loyal fans and why the popular perception of those gaming eras is strongly in favor of Nintendo. To Sega's credit they've become a solid publisher and sometimes throws their history a bone but they haven't even come close to maintaining their beloved intellectual properties as well Nintendo.

But I do agree it also has a lot to do with the type of games. Old-school arcade action has fallen out of favor with the majority. I wouldn't say it's because players don't form the same level of attachment with action games, but rather that changes in modern game design have left a lot of today's gamers clueless about how to approach older action titles so they're dismissed as lesser games.

And the N64 love comes mostly from people who were kids that owned the N64. There's a lot of rose colored glasses involved in regards to that console and honestly the entire early 3D generation.

Nintendo has crafted an identity that inspires brand loyalty. Sega dropped the ball in that regard. That's really the gist of it.

[zetastrike]

But I do agree it also has a lot to do with the type of games. Old-school arcade action has fallen out of favor with the majority. I wouldn't say it's because players don't form the same level of attachment with action games, but rather that changes in modern game design have left a lot of today's gamers clueless about how to approach older action titles so they're dismissed as lesser games.

I'm reminded of the time shortly after I got my first Genesis and brought it over to my Nintendo fan/modern gamer friend's house. He could not stop voicing his disbelief and disapproval that you couldn't save after every level in Vectorman.

And the N64 love comes mostly from people who were kids that owned the N64. There's a lot of rose colored glasses involved in regards to that console and honestly the entire early 3D generation.

I can't imagine anyone having fond memories of the N64 who didn't own one as their only console as a kid. I had a SNES and a PSX during that gen and the N64 is just barren in comparison. Even as a 7-8 year old I didn't like it when I used it at my friend's house.