Bayonetta 2 coming soon. Who still doesnt have a wii u?

[Nightwolf]

Seems I am not with the mayority here, but i dislike the first Bayonetta, to me was a mediocre game (cool main character) I think Nintendo should "buy" Demon's Soul franchise for example, or follow this kind of games if want to resurrect WiiU, instead Bayonetta -> This game is for multiplatform.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Things are not looking good for the Japanese launch. Only 39,000 sold the first week and 28,000 on the first day. Link--->http://gematsu.com/2014/09/media-cre...es-91514-92114

It's not that far off from the 360 launch of the original. And the 360 original had a few more days on the market to reach 60k in it's first week. So I wouldn't be surprised if when next week's numbers come out it looks more in line with the 360 games performance. There's also the fact the console market is dying in Japan. The market is quite different from what it was when the original Bayonetta came out. Even at 39k sold, Bayonetta 2 was still the highest selling Console game for that week in Japan.

From the NeoGAF sales thread:

Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2014 (Sep 15 - Sep 21)

01./01. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.616) - 321.363 / 1.266.008 (-66%)
02./04. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (¥4.937) - 56.380 / 2.525.591 (+20%)
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} (¥8.316) - 38.828 / NEW
04./00. [PS3] Destiny <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11} (¥8.532) - 18.393 / 67.896
05./06. [3DS] Dragon Quest X Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.09.04} (¥4.104) - 13.948 / 89.299 (-39%)
06./02. [PS4] Destiny # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11} (¥8.532) - 13.014 / 104.291 (-86%)
07./05. [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm Revolution <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.09.11} (¥7.689) - 9.389 / 49.569 (-77%)
08./07. [PSV] Toukiden: The Age of Demons Extreme # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28} (¥6.264) - 7.936 / 129.256 (-48%)
09./08. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156) - 6.396 / 672.313 (-6%)
10./10. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} (¥4.800) - 4.554 / 1.274.296 (-7%)
11./09. [3DS] Yoshi's New Island <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.07.24} (¥4.936) - 4.334 / 184.048 (-24%)
12./20. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V [Bargain Edition] <ACT> (Rockstar Games) {2014.06.26} (¥5.389) - 3.087 / 63.395 (-6%)
13./23. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 2.944 / 4.144.405
14./12. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.09.04} (¥7.776) - 2.840 / 19.131 (-37%)
15./14. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.08.07} (¥6.145) - 2.792 / 139.935 (-32%)
16./15. [3DS] Medarot 8: Kabuto Ver. / Kuwagata Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company) {2014.08.28} (¥6.264) - 2.763 / 48.069 (-27%)
17./18. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Don to Katsu no Jikuu Daibouken <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.26} (¥5.119) - 2.719 / 163.540 (-21%)
18./21. [PS3] Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.08.21} (¥5.184) - 2.611 / 32.151
19./29. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 2.554 / 3.788.095
20./19. [WIU] Hyrule Warriors # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.14} (¥7.980) - 2.443 / 102.620 (-27%)

Top 20

3DS - 10
PS3 - 4
WIU - 3
PS4 - 2
PSV - 1

HARDWARE

   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    |System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    | 3DS # |     43.592 |     39.569 |    159.388 |  1.547.486 |  2.972.851 |  16.209.406 |
    | PSV # |     11.857 |     13.148 |      5.155 |    898.051 |    704.067 |   3.253.408 |
    |  PS4  |      8.939 |     23.623 |            |    718.046 |            |     718.046 |
    |  WIU  |      8.396 |      7.062 |      5.824 |    404.857 |    451.439 |   1.930.287 |
    |  PS3  |      6.078 |      6.083 |     10.749 |    372.912 |    628.759 |  10.082.586 |
    |  XB1  |      1.314 |      3.015 |            |     30.003 |            |      30.003 |
    |  360  |        103 |         96 |        610 |      8.293 |     19.035 |   1.647.609 |
    | PSP # |         99 |        101 |      5.082 |     97.137 |    368.648 |  20.165.546 |
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    |  ALL  |     80.378 |     92.697 |    187.773 |  4.076.785 |  5.204.841 |  54.036.891 |
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    | PSVTV |        709 |        817 |            |     61.918 |            |     138.162 |
    |  PSV  |     11.148 |     12.331 |      5.155 |    836.133 |    704.067 |   3.115.246 |
    | 3DSLL |     35.622 |     31.602 |    118.400 |  1.171.299 |  2.017.822 |   6.597.185 |
    |  3DS  |      7.970 |      7.967 |     40.988 |    376.187 |    955.029 |   9.612.221 |
    |  PSP  |         99 |        101 |      5.082 |     97.137 |    368.648 |  19.989.559 |
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[Pulstar]

Seems I am not with the mayority here, but i dislike the first Bayonetta, to me was a mediocre game (cool main character) I think Nintendo should "buy" Demon's Soul franchise for example, or follow this kind of games if want to resurrect WiiU, instead Bayonetta -> This game is for multiplatform.

Yea didn't like the first Bayonetta either. I could have sat through it if it were a pure brawler though.

[maxi]

This shows what everyone already know from the last generation, there's no more space for third party on Nintendo consoles.
Since the creation of games for the Wii U is not so expensive, I think they will at least pay the development costs some weeks after the worldwide release.

[Lan Di]

Yeah, Bayonetta would have been phenomenal on the PS4 and Xbone, and even the PC. But beggars cant be choosers, I'll enjoy the WiiU version.

BTW, Bayonetta 2 scored a perfect 10/10 (only 17 games have ever achieved this)from Edge Magazine. Link-->http://www.computerandvideogames.com...el-1010-score/

[TrekkiesUnite118]

This shows what everyone already know from the last generation, there's no more space for third party on Nintendo consoles.
Since the creation of games for the Wii U is not so expensive, I think they will at least pay the development costs some weeks after the worldwide release.

I wouldn't really say that. This is simply a niche title on a system with a low install base. The gap between this and the original on the 360 isn't that big really. The 360 original over it's entire time on the market hit maybe 100k if I remember correctly. Which Bayonetta 2 could hit if it has some legs.

A lot of other third party titles have just perpetuated the same self fulfilling prophecy that's been going on for years now:

1) Third Parties put late ports with missing features on Nintendo hardware to test the waters.
2) Nintendo owners expect bad ports of third Party games so they don't buy them for $60.
3) Third Parties make more gimped and bad ports of their games on Nintendo's system since people don't buy them.
4) Nintendo owners don't buy third party games because they expect them to be bad ports and not worth $60.

The only way it will end is if a whole bunch of third parties come together and put out a ton of quality new games and quality ports that are just as good as their other versions to break the stigma. And then they need to stick with it to build back that confidence. Unfortunately that has yet to happen and is unlikely to ever happen. If you look at the good original Wii U titles that came out around launch you'll see they actually performed well for the system's install base and some even outsold their 360/PS3 versions. However a year later the stigma was back in full force and sales plummeted.

And some games like Call of Duty will probably never sell as well on Nintendo Hardware as they do on Xbox and Sony Systems due to the Network Effect. Activision would have a very hard time convincing CoD players to abandon their XBL/PSN friends to come play on Nintendo Network. Honestly I think it would be an amazing experiment to see Activision put out a Call of Duty that has linked servers where everyone plays together, just to see how sales are affected.

[EclecticGroove]

You forgot the other way it could be broken. That some of the decent 3rd party titles that have, and will, continue to exist sell well and show that there's a market for them on the wii u.

Of course, that number is rapidly shrinking because companies absolutely won't put out a lot of high quality 3rd party titles at this point. They will test the waters here and there with games/ports they think might have a chance to sell well but won't cost them a ton to do.

You're right that it's a self fulfilling prophecy, but developers go where the money is. Which is why Nintendo should be greasing the wheels to get more on their system if they care to have more there... which it really seems they don't most of the time. They don't even need to pay for exclusives, just decent parity with their competition so that people aren't compelled to pass up the wii u for another system to get [insert multiplat game/series here]. Nintendo should aim for #1, not being a secondary Nintendo funbox.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

You forgot the other way it could be broken. That some of the decent 3rd party titles that have, and will, continue to exist sell well and show that there's a market for them on the wii u.

Of course, that number is rapidly shrinking because companies absolutely won't put out a lot of high quality 3rd party titles at this point. They will test the waters here and there with games/ports they think might have a chance to sell well but won't cost them a ton to do.

You're right that it's a self fulfilling prophecy, but developers go where the money is. Which is why Nintendo should be greasing the wheels to get more on their system if they care to have more there... which it really seems they don't most of the time. They don't even need to pay for exclusives, just decent parity with their competition so that people aren't compelled to pass up the wii u for another system to get [insert multiplat game/series here]. Nintendo should aim for #1, not being a secondary Nintendo funbox.

Nintendo tried that at the Wii U's launch remember? All they got were some late ports and EA giving a deliberately crap showing so they could have an excuse to abandon it early. The problem with them paying third parties to put a title on their system and then paying more to hope that developer does their job and puts out a good port is that it can easily fall into an equally toxic situation. One where Nintendo is basically being held for ransom if they want good third party titles on their system. I could easily see companies like Ubisoft and EA doing that.

[EclecticGroove]

They need to work with it better, and make sure they get better ports.
MS has done it, Sony has done it... why would it work any different for Nintendo to do it? Then answer is, it wouldn't. If they pay for junk and/or let the publishers get away with sloppy half assed ports, then they need to work on not only who they work with, but the contracts they sign with them.

They should also be working to get contemporary content on the system, not older ports.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

They need to work with it better, and make sure they get better ports.
MS has done it, Sony has done it... why would it work any different for Nintendo to do it? Then answer is, it wouldn't. If they pay for junk and/or let the publishers get away with sloppy half assed ports, then they need to work on not only who they work with, but the contracts they sign with them.

They should also be working to get contemporary content on the system, not older ports.

Microsoft and Sony are in better positions to bargain though. Nintendo isn't. That's a key point here we need to remember. Again I would not be surprised if some of those developers like EA or Ubisoft would make ridiculous demands. Heck EA even has a history of doing that, remember the Dreamcast fiasco?

For those launch titles Nintendo went even further out of their way than I bet MS and Sony have done. Nintendo actually stepped in and helped with development on some of those titles and published the games themselves. I don't think MS and Sony do that for every third party title on their systems. And if you don't think it would be required for every port, look at how the quality of Wii U third party ports dropped after that initial launch window when Nintendo was going out of their way to help and fund third party ports.

[EclecticGroove]

Actually, given Sony's current financial state? I'd say Nintendo is in as good, if not better position to be letting money talk than Sony is. The only thing they can't match, that they need to try and work with, is market power... but they certainly have the cash and resources to secure quality titles on their system.

The alternative is doing nothing. Which really isn't working all that great for them in the games department. I have little doubt the wii u will eventually wind up being a profitable endeavor for them, and that it will have more than a handful of really great games made specifically for it.

But I really don't see this trend continuing forever as Nintendo's marketshare (wii notwithstanding) eventually slides. Even the wii may eventually be outsold by either the 360, the ps3, or both, if they stay on sale and are supported long enough.

For me, I want to see an SNES again, or a GC. Something that may not be the king of the specs for the generation, but punches in the same weight class. That has games that you can get only on it, as well as getting stuff the other guys get as well.
The GC sold right around what the xbox did, and yet people consider that being a "failure", when both were basically struggling for the leftover scraps of the PS2 juggernaught.

Bayonetta 2 (to get this back on somewhat topic), is a game that's a step in the right direction in that regard. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's a fun character with gameplay that isn't "typical" of Nintendo systems. They need a lot more of that sort of thing coming their way, and if they need to devote a team of Nintendo dev's and some seed money to make that happen with a variety of games? I really don't see a problem with that.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

Actually, given Sony's current financial state? I'd say Nintendo is in as good, if not better position to be letting money talk than Sony is. The only thing they can't match, that they need to try and work with, is market power... but they certainly have the cash and resources to secure quality titles on their system.

The alternative is doing nothing. Which really isn't working all that great for them in the games department. I have little doubt the wii u will eventually wind up being a profitable endeavor for them, and that it will have more than a handful of really great games made specifically for it.

But I really don't see this trend continuing forever as Nintendo's marketshare (wii notwithstanding) eventually slides. Even the wii may eventually be outsold by either the 360, the ps3, or both, if they stay on sale and are supported long enough.

For me, I want to see an SNES again, or a GC. Something that may not be the king of the specs for the generation, but punches in the same weight class. That has games that you can get only on it, as well as getting stuff the other guys get as well.
The GC sold right around what the xbox did, and yet people consider that being a "failure", when both were basically struggling for the leftover scraps of the PS2 juggernaught.

Bayonetta 2 (to get this back on somewhat topic), is a game that's a step in the right direction in that regard. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's a fun character with gameplay that isn't "typical" of Nintendo systems. They need a lot more of that sort of thing coming their way, and if they need to devote a team of Nintendo dev's and some seed money to make that happen with a variety of games? I really don't see a problem with that.

I agree, Bayonetta, The Wonderful 101, and Devil's Third are perfect examples of the right things Nintendo should be doing in this situation. I just don't see throwing money at big guns like EA or Ubisoft doing much good. They need a similar "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" situation for it to work and be beneficial. And I just don't see that kind of an opportunity presenting itself with certain Third Party developers.

[EclecticGroove]

Oh I agree, but I never said they should throw it to ubisoft or ea.

There are lots of companies out there putting out good games, some with 360/ps3 versions that have no reason they couldn't be done on the wii u, and some that are not getting older gen releases, but with some good work, could potentially still be viable on the wii u.

Nintendo needs more of that if they want to be seen as a first choice. Even here, for all the people who are saying they love the wii u... it's a [xbox/ps3/pc] and wii u, not a wii u on its own merits. It's like a really expensive add on accessory, much like the wii was... and I'd love to see Nintendo make systems that stand on their own legs, not augment the playtime of something else.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

This is why I love looking at Hideki Kamiya's Twitter:

[old man]

Nintendo is just going to have to push for software on the Wii U like they did with the N64 and Gamecube. Unfortunately it almost seems like they've forgotten how to do that with the success of the Wii.