Super Street Fighter 2 - new Z80 driver

[maxxfarras]

I'll be honest, I never really played SSF2 in the arcades or home versions. I kinda ditched out after SFT/CE. Do the graphics really need improving? Maybe we should find someone to help out with decompressing the BG/tile assets. I.e. - do more than just color patches - redo some pixel work. It's probably some simple variant of LZSS for the tiles (typical for the console). The BG maps are probably uncompressed (they are in the SF2:SCE, I found them).

I have observed closer the graphics for SSF2. Besides very bad color choices, in many cases looks like developers used rushed posterized graphics of the snes version, so detail was lost and backgrounds looks washed. (This is not the case for SF2 SCE, fortunately). A simple color hack could it be not enough for fix this issues.
The music also is mostly horrible and the voices very muffled, maybe worst than a bad snes game. (Even with Stef hack improvement, voices still sound bad because the source material). Honestly, I have never touched gameplay (but I suppose it is ok because comments of people). It make me feel sad how so close could it be to the arcade but instead the MD gamers got this.

I have not idea how much effort is necessary for a deeper hack, but it looks like too much things need to be changed.

[LinkueiBR]

I really like the SSF2 Genesis backgrounds!
Example: Guile looks much better than the SF2SCE
only Blanka and Ryu stages looks like sh*t!

I did this color change right now and take a look... is not perfect, but if the Pyron worked on this game with your talent, would be much more arcade like and better without any hack in the graphics !!!

Look:
Original:
Super_Street_Fighter_II_The_New_Challengers_U.png

My Palette Swap:
ssf2mod000.png
(i hacked only the foreground and the color of the characters too)

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[maxxfarras]

I really like the SSF2 Genesis backgrounds!
Example: Guile looks much better than the SF2SCE
only Blanka and Ryu stages looks like sh*t!

I did this color change right now and take a look... is not perfect, but if the Pyron worked on this game with your talent, would be much more arcade like and better without any hack in the graphics !!!

Look:
Original:
Super_Street_Fighter_II_The_New_Challengers_U.png

My Palette Swap:
ssf2mod000.png
(i hacked only the foreground and the color of the characters too)

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Hi! indeed your hack looks a lot better than original and surely a color hack could improve the game. However if you notice the house in Blanka stage has less shades than SF2 SCE because the posterization that developers used. Also I remember that I noticed this posterization issue in Balrog stages (characters of background mainly).

Edit: I remembered that floor of Chun Li stage also suffer of the posterization issue.

[LinkueiBR]

Hi! indeed your hack looks a lot better than original and surely a color hack could improve the game. However if you notice the house in Blanka stage has less shades than SF2 SCE because the posterization that developers used. Also I remember that I noticed this posterization issue in Balrog stages (characters of background mainly)

Yes, it would be awesome to have someone redoing the background graphics , but i consider this a bit hard to happen.

[sheath]

Have the Arcade games not been disassembled by now? I would be more interested in seeing a source port at this point if we are going to get into retooling graphics.

[Raijin]

Have you listened to the videos I posted? I don't see any bad "FM programming", maybe its you that don't like the FM sound of a barebones YM2151, because the Batrider PCB (Toaplan hardware) uses a YM2151 + YM3012 (DAC) + two M6295's combo, its not pure FM, those compositions use a lot more PCM than FM.

Dude, that video is just an example. It has exactly the opposite of what I was criticizing about Capcom; nice FM programming all around and good sample quality. Yes, I do like games that use only FM, but it had to be an example with both in it, because that's exactly what I was talking about.

Plus, I guess Gecko has a point. I suppose I shouldn't say bad, but even still, I think the majority of their games could have been programmed much better. Remember, even earlier Konami and Sega games did better than what Capcom managed, in both FM programming and sample quality. Their games have a more fitting and meaningful use of FM, and their samples don't sound like something even the Genesis could do better.

Sure games like Knights of the Round and King of Dragons sound pretty decent in the FM department (not the samples though), but games like Mercs and Forgotten World could have been less grating, and yes, I do think even Street Fighter 2 and Alpha CPS could have been improved.

By the way, I forgot to mention, Cadillacs & Dinosaurs is only QSound, not FM, so that one doesn't matter.

[gasega68k]

Stef: Great job with SF2 and now with SSF2.

About the graphics of the backgrounds, I think it should not be that difficult to improve, and also the tiles of the backgrounds and sprites are NOT compressed (Sf2ce neither does).
I use a program called yy-chr, which you can use to create tiles, but you can also load roms (not only Gen/Md) and you can easily find where are the graphics(if not compressed).
I took these images with yy-chr with color palettes that I extracted with Genskmod, I think everyone will recognize the graphics:

chr018.PNG

chr019.PNG

chr020.PNG

[Stef]

Thanks
Graphics are not compressed ?? It's just crazy when you think they had to develop their own mapper to make a 5 MB rom (so just for one extra MB) and that GFX are not even compressed... but again I am not surprised, when i patched SSF2 and looking for spare area, i saw how data looked inefficiently stored (many used odd or even bytes, many repeated patterns...)

[Tor Landeel]

Stef, too bad I can't rep you again.
Thank you so much.

Anyway, the quick palette hack of Blanka's stage is miles better than the original. Capcom really messed up gfx & sound on this one.

[LinkueiBR]

Never thought in searching graphics with Tile Layer Pro in this game precisely because i thought the graphics were compressed ​​since they used a "40megas" cart!
I remember the same thing happens with the SNES SF2 WW where all the graphics don't have any compression.
WTF Capcom developers

[retrospiel]

re: music in SSF2

Here's an audio comparison I recorded from real hardware back in 2009 (hell, can't believe it was that long ago!)

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cq...Comparison.rar

Not sure where the arcade tunes came from but SNES and MD are real hardware.

[villahed94]

If the music were to be remade, I suggest using the X68000 versions of the tunes:

Dee Jay(not X68000 but sounds exactly like it except for the filtered drums):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GDMpUdsiEo
Guile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2S9QShLk00
Zangief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYgdnndr4A
Ken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gM476EnPwo
Ryu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0v6RHhztxM

Yep, definetly good FM there.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

re: music in SSF2

Here's an audio comparison I recorded from real hardware back in 2009 (hell, can't believe it was that long ago!)

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cq...Comparison.rar

Not sure where the arcade tunes came from but SNES and MD are real hardware.

Sorry but the Genesis version just sounds bad. It sounds flat and slow by comparison. It has nothing to do with FM synth quality though. It has to do with the fact that it's just a poor arrangement. Compare your Genesis recording of Cammy's theme to the X68000 version and you'll hear how poor the Genesis version is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6b-ZtUpGs0

[Vludi]

The only good thing about SSF2 music on genesis is the bass.

[retrospiel]

Sorry but the Genesis version just sounds bad. It sounds flat and slow by comparison. It has nothing to do with FM synth quality though. It has to do with the fact that it's just a poor arrangement. Compare your Genesis recording of Cammy's theme to the X68000 version and you'll hear how poor the Genesis version is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6b-ZtUpGs0

No, this seems to be a remix of some sort, here's the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJV21_weAY