Why do people have issues with others not being fans of the SNES?

[Thief]

What do you think "game mode" is for? (and in some cases that's still not enough to remove all the lag, there's a reason why Guitar Hero has a calibration screen)

LCD lag is mostly a problem with TVs which have a shitton of filters though to make up for the shit screens and to artificially increase the price. Computer monitors are a whole different story (you may get ghosting and/or discoloring on awful screens, but they aren't really laggy as far as reaction goes). An emulator on a PC probably is not having any more lag than what the GPU normally adds (i.e. 1-2 frames at 60Hz at worst).

Yes, my HDTV thankfully has gamemode. And my PC monitor is fried, so I can't test to see how it compares to a monitor. Though I never noticed a difference when going back and forth between HDTV and monitor before, there probably is.

Also, when I last played Parodius on PCE emu, I did notice some input lag this time. But still quite the difference between it and ZSNES Parodius.


EDIT - quick question. Would 4:3 aspect ratio on a 16:9 HDTV cut down on lag, since less of the screen is not needed to fill?

[Sik]

Native resolution would be probably your best bet since it won't waste time rescaling at all... but honestly it entirely depends on the TV in question.

[EyeDeeNo76]

For LCD HDTVs, one way to cut down on lag and ghosting is to put the sharpness of the screen at zero in the TV settings menu for most TVs or so I read.

Edit: For some TVs it may need to be just above zero.

[Thief]

For LCD HDTVs, one way to cut down on lag and ghosting is to put the sharpness of the screen at zero in the TV settings menu for most TVs or so I read.

Edit: For some TVs it may need to be just above zero.

Yeah, but it's still a clusterfux for modern gaming when you add HDTV lag, wireless gamepad lag and online gaming lag all combining to transform into megasauruslag. Lucky I always hardwire my gampads to eliminate one of 3 issues. But most gamers play wireless, on a bad wireless wifi and hosting from mars. It's like we're all conditioned for the worse quality in all facets of life, therefore don't know better. ... But look how pretty megasauraslag looks on HDTV!

[Gentlegamer]

Yeah, but it's still a clusterfux for modern gaming when you add HDTV lag, wireless gamepad lag and online gaming lag all combining to transform into megasauruslag

Now try playing a rhythm game on modern displays. There was a whole subculture of Guitar Hero/Rock Band fans that went to great lengths to find displays to minimize the lag that can make rhythm games impossible to play.

[Thief]

Now try playing a rhythm game on modern displays. There was a whole subculture of Guitar Hero/Rock Band fans that went to great lengths to find displays to minimize the lag that can make rhythm games impossible to play.

Yes, I read earlier today that Guitar Hero has an HDTV lag test.

[goldenband]

I recently bought my first LCD TV and specifically chose a model that allegedly had very little lag. That...turned out not to be true. I tried playing Dreamcast via VGA > HDMI, and then tried playing an emulator on my laptop that was piped out via the HDMI port. In both cases, the added lag was significant enough to make gameplay joyless.

It's a shame, since the screen is gorgeous, at least by my admittedly-low standards. But any ambitions I had of picking up a Framemeister are irrelevant now, because if there's >100 ms. added lag on a native HDMI source, what's the point of the pretty pictures?

[Thief]

Yes, I too just read earlier today that the Vizio D Series 1080p 2016 had the least of lag. Bummer that it turned out not to be true.

[Gentlegamer]

CRT: still the king!

[Gogogadget]

Maybe my equipment is just good (probably) but lag on modern games has been a zero issue for me, even with wireless controllers.

That includes Rock Band & Guitar Hero games too.

[goldenband]

CRT: still the king!

Agreed. I just tried some experiments, using various configurations of hardware and recording myself hitting the button to throw a fireball in SMB. I then measured the distance between the initial attack of the button sound, and the initial attack of the fireball sound. Obviously this is a rough metric, but I think it should yield roughly accurate results.

And those results were kind of eye-opening:

Nestopia emulator on MacBook Pro laptop: ~95ms between button press and beginning of fireball sound

Dreamcast on CRT, NesterDC 6.0: ~145ms

Emulator on Mac, mini-DP to HDMI adapter, HDMI out to Vizio TV, game mode? (I didn't keep great notes on this or the next one): ~205ms

Emulator on Mac, mini-DP to HDMI adapter, HDMI out to Vizio TV, default mode?: ~230ms

Actual NES on CRT, AV out: essentially instantaneous -- maybe 25ms at the absolute most in certain cases, which would be ~1.5 frames, but the trailing edge of the button sound intersects the beginning of the fireball sound so it's hard to be exact

I hadn't realized quite how much lag Nestopia or NesterDC were contributing to the equation.

[Gentlegamer]

If you were using Nestopia on a Mac (or even modern PC) I'm assuming you were using DOSBox to run it?

I would think emuception would contribute to lag by a great factor.



Do you have an AVS? I'd like to see how it measures up.

[goldenband]

If you were using Nestopia on a Mac (or even modern PC) I'm assuming you were using DOSBox to run it?

I'm running the Mac port of v1.4.1 by Richard Bannister. Are you sure you're not thinking of Nesticle? (I think that's your screenshot there)

Do you have an AVS? I'd like to see how it measures up.

I wish I did! I was considering getting one until I realized how much the HDMI input on the Vizio was lagging. I can't really justify buying another TV, but I could try to find a monitor with near-zero lag. (Or...I could just play on my CRT & NES? )

[Gentlegamer]

My feeble mind read Nestopia as Nesticle.

Now I want a Nesticle test!

[sull56ivan2010]

I never liked Nestopia. Some of the emulators for Nintendo systems are a pain in the ass for me.