Why do people have issues with others not being fans of the SNES?

[Team Andromeda]

CRT: still the king!

I don't agree (though I stil have an old 14 inch CRT) CRT TV's sets are simply too big and bulky for me in 2days world . Sure I miss that true High Res shimmer you get from a Saturn High Res game, but I'm loving playing the Saturn through my Framister on the 55 inch TV . Sure there's a tiny bit of lag, but you have to be really anal to make out it affects most games . I do miss the fact I can't use light guns or my old 3D Master System glasses (the effect still looks great)

[gamevet]

Eh, I don't even use my Dreamcast VGA box with LCD, because it looks like ass. It looks much better on my HD CRT using S-Video.

[Soulis]

I don't agree (though I stil have an old 14 inch CRT) CRT TV's sets are simply too big and bulky for me in 2days world . Sure I miss that true High Res shimmer you get from a Saturn High Res game, but I'm loving playing the Saturn through my Framister on the 55 inch TV . Sure there's a tiny bit of lag, but you have to be really anal to make out it affects most games . I do miss the fact I can't use light guns or my old 3D Master System glasses (the effect still looks great)

It's not only the input lag you have to deal with.

It's also the blurry scrolling. I don't know how good the latest TVs are with this, but i personally never seen any non-CRT panel yet that doesn't blur the image (even slightly) while it's moving. Thus, 2D scrolling games look like ass in non-CRT displays. Even modern "pixel art" scrolling games would look better on an old CRT.

[Tower of Power]

It's not only the input lag you have to deal with.

It's also the blurry scrolling. I don't know how good the latest TVs are with this, but i personally never seen any non-CRT panel yet that doesn't blur the image (even slightly) while it's moving. Thus, 2D scrolling games look like ass in non-CRT displays. Even modern "pixel art" scrolling games would look better on an old CRT.

Ya, that's a pretty common problem with LCD panels ("LED" TVs also use LCD panels). Plasma TVs are much better at handling scrolling (and have picture quality in general much better and actually similar to CRT but sadly aren't made any more). I think the newest OLED panels don't have this problem (but those are still expensive).

[Sik]

Yeah it's a problem with LCD in general, the only way to avoid those big issues seems to be to reduce contrast a bit (so colors aren't on the extremes). LCD is a shit technology in general (even today it suffers from discoloration a lot for example), it just happened to be one of the earliest technologies available that allowed flat screens that were, um, usable (plasma has the issue of huge power consumption and dying faster than CRTs, since it works essentially like a huge neon light)

[EyeDeeNo76]

I know I said talked about the sharpness on HDTV in my post #768 but I went and tried to look up where I got my info, Patrick Norton & Robert Heron of HD Nation.

So basically to get the best fastest picture turn off all picture enhancements, one may need to dig around to find them all the less the TV does to "enhance" the picture the better. Calibrate the picture settings but first set the picture temperature to Normal or the middle selection. I do the calibration be eye others may need to use a calibration disk or software. Adjust the picture size to get rid of overscan on Samsung TVs it is called Just Scan, overscan can add artifacts to the picture. Last is what I posted yesterday turn the sharpness down start at zero go up till the picture look best to much sharpness also adds artifacts to the picture but set it really low.

[Tower of Power]

Yeah it's a problem with LCD in general, the only way to avoid those big issues seems to be to reduce contrast a bit (so colors aren't on the extremes). LCD is a shit technology in general (even today it suffers from discoloration a lot for example), it just happened to be one of the earliest technologies available that allowed flat screens that were, um, usable (plasma has the issue of huge power consumption and dying faster than CRTs, since it works essentially like a huge neon light)

There's a lot of myths floating around about plasma. The earlier sets had some issues, but they were more than ironed out over time. It does use more power, but not orders of magnitude more, maybe an extra $1-2 on your electric bill. They do die faster, but more than enough operating hours for normal use. If you ran one 24/7, it should still last about a decade.

Overall, it's much much better than LCD for picture quality.

[zetastrike]

I had a Samsung Plasma TV in my dorm room a year ago and that thing took 240p over component like a champ. It was an F4500 series. I had my component modded MD hooked up to it and there were zero artifacts and no lag that I ever noticed.

[Team Andromeda]

It's not only the input lag you have to deal with.

It's also the blurry scrolling. I don't know how good the latest TVs are with this, but i personally never seen any non-CRT panel yet that doesn't blur the image (even slightly) while it's moving. Thus, 2D scrolling games look like ass in non-CRT displays. Even modern "pixel art" scrolling games would look better on an old CRT.

The Lag I've never had issues with or could really see unless I really.. really want to be anal and look for it . Bluring again I've had no issues and on the Framister some Saturn games look better to me . I'm well happy with the result and plus of coruse I don't get the issue of the image moving to left a little that I got with almost any import Scart based system back in the day and you don't have to have a massive house or the need to be HULK to move around the TV like you did with CRT back inthe day.

I get that lag is there, but to me its not a issue at all . It looks stunning when using the Frame (please I know the mobile phones shots aren't the best)

[gamevet]

It's not only the input lag you have to deal with.

It's also the blurry scrolling. I don't know how good the latest TVs are with this, but i personally never seen any non-CRT panel yet that doesn't blur the image (even slightly) while it's moving. Thus, 2D scrolling games look like ass in non-CRT displays. Even modern "pixel art" scrolling games would look better on an old CRT.

I don't have that issue with my 52" Samsung LCD, or my 24" LG LCD. They both have pixel response time under 5 ms, and the Samsung has 120hz Motion Rate.

[xelement5x]

Is that Princess Crown? The picture looks quite nice there.

[tryphon]

Yes it is.

[Team Andromeda]

Is that Princess Crown? The picture looks quite nice there.

Yes it is . Here's some more Saturn shots running on Frame

[gamevet]

The Framemeister is nearly $500. That'a as much as I paid for my second Sony 32" HD CRT on clearance in 2005. Yeah, I have to man-handle all 165 pounds of television when I move it, but it does the job.

[Team Andromeda]

The Framemeister is nearly $500. That'a as much as I paid for my second Sony 32" HD CRT on clearance in 2005. Yeah, I have to man-handle all 165 pounds on television when I move it, but it does the job.

The Frame is a solution to an issue . Paid £220 quid for mine brand new and it's one of the best pick up I've ever done . Like many here, I grew up with and spent most of my gaming life on CRT, but they had their day and the Frame display and output is almost as good as CRT and its an increbile product