Streets of Rage 4 (Official Thread)

[Leynos]

Eh, I see what he meant, there are a lot of fans who will refuse to acknowledge anything Sega does unless it's directly tied to their console days.

That's stupid. Not your comment, just that way of thinking.

[gamevet]

There are quite a few people here that aren’t hardware agnostic.

[Virtua Hunter]

You are simply not able to counter anything I've said.

How does any of this counter the point that Sega gave SOR2 to an unaccomplished, new development company? Yuzo Koshiro is a composer - the one role that may be most removed from the quality of gameplay.

Just look into the development of SOR2 to see how lucky we are to have gotten the product we did. Ancient had almost NO actual employees - they sub-contracted everything out, and a lot of the work had to be re-done because it came back poorly. Read Ayano Koshiro's account here.

Gryson, I just responded and addressed ALL your statements in my posts, even your poor attempt to use Ayano Koshiro's age as a proof of your narrative, probably if my same posts were made by one of the other members on this forum who like these fake sega games, you would agree since the beginning (especially since there is nothing to agree or disagree, it's just the simple truth).

And again with that argument, Ancient already proven with Sonic 8bit, and since you act as a "mr. know it all", you should know that Yuzo Koshiro helped Obha with design planning on SOR1 (even in SOR2 he did some design), if I remember correctly he even did some programming in Sonic.
If you think that Yuzo was a simple musician, it means you just have an incomplete picture of him.

Sorry but Sega didn't entrusted the second main chapter of the Streets of Rage series to unknown devs, nor they were left alone, so your argument IS NOT VALID.

Sega instead did this with the "fourth" game...

You really show your ignorance here. Masato Maegawa (Treasure) and Hiroyuki Takahashi (Climax, Sonic Software) are perhaps two of the people who speak most highly of Sega from that era. I would even guess that you've never actually read anything they've said. I have, a lot. You are so off base here that I don't know what to say.

But I think it's clear to most people on this forum that you don't know - you're just trying to dismiss them so you can support your crazy narrative, which you put so succinctly here:

You also want to deny the current sad state of Camelot and Treasure?
I know that if their credibility is put in doubt, your whole castle of arguments will crumble, but it's not my fault if you choose to base all your discussion only on some interviews without taking into account the simple reality of things.
When they say things like lack of support, promotion and testing etc. it's pretty clear that they (and also you) still have a very limited vision of what happened around them at the time (that or they are just in bad faith).

I would not consider this "speak highly" when they complain about various things in post-Sega era inteviews.
I could understand things like Maegawa complaining about communciation with Sega for Yu Yu Hakusho (from what I know there isn't something that contradict this), when they try to make it pass as a general practice for all their games, then no, this is simply incorrect or a big lie.

I absolutely loved Sonic Software and Treasure in the Sega days, but after that they just ruined with their own hands, leaving with the conviction that these companies were great just because there was Sega behind.

Just absurd.

Nope, accepting indie games as genuine original Sega games, now that's absurd, especially coming from Sega fans from the '90s.

This happen when the form (in this case brand names) becomes more important than the substance.

[Leynos]

SHUT UP! Just let people enjoy the godamn thing already. Stop crying

[NeoVamp]

SHUT UP! Just let people enjoy the godamn thing already. Stop crying

Never! its shit and the new characters are walking cliche's whatwith them having their hands in their pockets
and doing that shitty anime walk. shuffle shuffle, i like.. care about nothing maaaaaaaaan you're not my daaaaaaad man.

whats what? Shiva? you mean the badass guy wearing only a black GI? ohhhhhhhhhh yeah you wanted to make him into a cliche Asian fighter with a bigass rope around his waist.
of course! and a Kangaroo waiting a bar, its coooooool because he's from SOR3! he could wait on that fat biker lady, or the evil Mr X kids!

I piss on the entire thing, Sega of Japan fucked up big time by giving it to these French sissies.

[BonusKun]

Never! its shit and the new characters are walking cliche's whatwith them having their hands in their pockets
and doing that shitty anime walk. shuffle shuffle, i like.. care about nothing maaaaaaaaan you're not my daaaaaaad man.

whats what? Shiva? you mean the badass guy wearing only a black GI? ohhhhhhhhhh yeah you wanted to make him into a cliche Asian fighter with a bigass rope around his waist.
of course! and a Kangaroo waiting a bar, its coooooool because he's from SOR3! he could wait on that fat biker lady, or the evil Mr X kids!

I piss on the entire thing, Sega of Japan fucked up big time by giving it to these French sissies.

Back to your cave evil feline!

[NeoVamp]

Back to your cave evil feline!

[BonusKun]

Oh and just because some of you guys are being dense doesn't mean I'm going to start flexing myself and ban people. I know TA still holds that over me when I had to put him in time out once *Seriously TA, You need to get over it already.* but as long as there is some kind of discussion here then I'm fine with it.

I don't want the forums to become super heavy handed when it comes to moderation.

I enjoy reading what you guys have to talk about even if I'm like..... BRUH! to some of the posts here.

[Lan Di]

Sad state of affairs on Sega-16 forums. So much unmitigated hate directed at a game designed specifically for the fans and by one of the industry's biggest Sega fans. And you can't use the argument that the game was made for casuals or that its too dissimilar from the OG games. The moderators have got to be hellishly embarrassed by all this foolishness. And you wonder why Sega fans are never taken seriously. They don't even support their own brand. These forums have literally become a bane for developers eager to explore Sega IPs. Criticism I can understand. But this stuff aint criticism. It's something far worse.

[Barone]

Oh and just because some of you guys are being dense doesn't mean I'm going to start flexing myself and ban people. I know TA still holds that over me when I had to put him in time out once *Seriously TA, You need to get over it already.* but as long as there is some kind of discussion here then I'm fine with it.

I don't want the forums to become super heavy handed when it comes to moderation.

I enjoy reading what you guys have to talk about even if I'm like..... BRUH! to some of the posts here.

Controversy is good as long as people have their own arguments and they're not totally bullcrap.

As you said, let it continue; it sucks to see what most YT review channels have become: just marketing hubs trying to sell you every new game and piece of hardware.
Very few actual reviews and even rarer in-depth reviews of any kind.

This forum, with all its current issues, is still a place where you can find people with different unique views of their own; even if they're idiotic and written in broken English more often than we'd like.


By the way, Knuckles Chaotix is a mess of an unfinished game and it's not underrated by any means, it's overrated and so is its soundtrack.

Regarding SOR4, though, I totally agree with NeoVamp's sentiment; the art direction is what really trashes it in my view and as someone else suggested, it would have been less of an insult hadn't they called it a direct sequel.

And before the SOJ hype gets too high too quickly, let's not forget how mediocre Golden Axe III is and how inferior most of the Sonic Team's Sonic games are to the "bastard" Sonic Mania.

I also don't support the idea that we need to give Sega or whatever company related to them a free pass to every initiative they have.
Some products are good, some others are not so good; some are pure shit.
I don't think minded criticism is detrimental either.

If people were supportive towards the shitty AT Games "Sega" products we would have probably ended up with an AT Games' Mega Drive Mini which would have been a million times worse than what we got, which is pretty good actually (and I bought it, by the way).

[gamevet]

Walmart has had the Genesis Mini selling for $60. I might get one soon.

[Barone]

Walmart has had the Genesis Mini selling for $60. I might get one soon.

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/showth...l=1#post860673

[Leynos]

I will agree YT has become shit. This was uploaded a couple of days ago. Seems like it might be a reupload but I don't care. It felt refreshing. Not overly produced. No sponsors. No garbage thumbnail. It feels like how YT was 10 years ago, prob because it is a video from back then. It's just pure passion and love. No memberships. No hit that like button and subscribe. It doesn't feel like a video made for ad revenue. I want this back. Most the vids I used to watch were like this.

[Barone]

Turbo Views is really cool; years ago I used to binge watch it to get more info on the PCE library.
For the very reasons you cited.

[gamevet]

He has another channel called My Life in Gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eo2_UY1L3w