I don't get SEGA fans petty grudge frm 20+ years ago.

[MrMatthews]

Pac Land didn't sell consoles because it was an arcade game.

Actually, this was during a time when arcade games DID sell consoles. Or rather, whichever console was lucky enough to secure the rights to their ports.

Commercial success is a perfectly valid measurement of legitimate success (moreso then than now). These games all had access to the same market... the title that sold the most was clearly better at capturing the hearts and minds of the consumer. So that begs the question: if such-and-such game came out first and and did ‘X’ ‘Y’ and ‘Z’ before Super Mario Bros, then why would they get completely blown out of the water by what was essentially a brand new IP?

Besides, just about every game that becomes the new hotness was preceded by some other title that “did it first.” At the end of the day, it all boils down to a choice the consumer made of one over the other.

[gamevet]

Donkey Kong was the pack-in game with the Colecovision. It helped the CV sell a lot more consoles than the 5200, with it's older arcade games of the time.

[Leynos]

Actually, this was during a time when arcade games DID sell consoles. Or rather, whichever console was lucky enough to secure the rights to their ports.

Commercial success is a perfectly valid measurement of legitimate success (moreso then than now). These games all had access to the same market... the title that sold the most was clearly better at capturing the hearts and minds of the consumer. So that begs the question: if such-and-such game came out first and and did ‘X’ ‘Y’ and ‘Z’ before Super Mario Bros, then why would they get completely blown out of the water by what was essentially a brand new IP?

Besides, just about every game that becomes the new hotness was preceded by some other title that “did it first.” At the end of the day, it all boils down to a choice the consumer made of one over the other.

Yup. Not like anyone talks about the Eiger Labs MPMan F10 MP3 player from 1998. People talk about iPod from 2001 instead.

[MrMatthews]

Donkey Kong was the pack-in game with the Colecovision. It helped the CV sell a lot more consoles than the 5200, with it's older arcade games of the time.

Yeah, almost mentioned what a huge deal it was for Coleco to get Donkey Kong or for Atari to get Pac-Man.

[sull56ivan2010]

Don't forget Altered Beast for the Genesis

No one gives a shit about some obscure European game.

[Mega Drive Bowlsey]

Don't forget Altered Beast for the Genesis

No one gives a shit about some obscure European game.

European game developers have produced first class software for decades. Show some respect.

[Team Andromeda]

It's Manic Miner! WTF is wrong with your spelling?!
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What is wrong with your attitude and anger ?. No need to swear and the C64 version is a poor man's port. I simple said that before Mario Bros, Manic Miner on the ZX Spectrum perfected pixel perfect jumping seen in platform games. All the more incredible given it was one bedroom coder doing it all by himself. To play in the home was unmatched on any home system in 83.

Do you see that part I've put in bold?

As usual, you jumped in. I simply said that PSO was the worlds 1st 'Global' 'console' RPG, which it was. You bust in, with a list of PC Online RPG's or a console Online RPG that shipped in 2003, some 3 years after PSO.

[Team Andromeda]

Super Mario Bros literally changed the video game landscape purely on the strength of the game alone, not by the brand-recognition of the company behind it. Yeah, Pac-Land or this ‘Manic Minner’ came first... but how many systems did it sell? How many lists did it top in the computer magazines in 1986? Or 1987? Or 1997?

In this one case, there’s a pretty clear and indisputable winner.

(Neo Zeedeater, I borrowed your game but that wasn’t directed at you)

Why do so many people go on what the game reviewed or what it sold to gauge its impact, it's worth? or its contribution to gaming That's a pretty sad way to look at games. Games can be incredibly groundbreaking, instrumental but not sell that great. That shouldn't lessen their contribution to the gaming world. I very much doubt Football Manager sold 50 million plus or sold millions of ZX Spectrums, but it was a landmark title, a game that invented a totally new genre of games and where its influence on games, is still felt to this very day.

[Team Andromeda]

Don't forget Altered Beast for the Genesis

No one gives a shit about some obscure European game.

Europeans helped shaped the game industry and helped made it was it is today. Europe was a leading force in early 3D polygons games on the microcomputers, so much so that NCL looked to the UK to help them with 3D games, and one can't overlook the impact the likes of Star Glider, Another World, Flashback, Populous, Alone in the Dark, Alpha Waves (the 1st 3D Plaftform game), Elite (the worlds 1st Open world sandbox game) International Karate + (one of the 1st multiplayer Vs Fighters) had on the community, along with the increabile stuff coming from the USA. To dimiss all that is a little insulting and uncalled for.

[bultje112]

European game developers have produced first class software for decades. Show some respect.

Ignore him. he's just a troll everywhere.

[MrMatthews]

Why do so many people go on what the game reviewed or what it sold to gauge its impact, it's worth? or its contribution to gaming That's a pretty sad way to look at games. Games can be incredibly groundbreaking, instrumental but not sell that great. That shouldn't lessen their contribution to the gaming world. I very much doubt Football Manager sold 50 million plus or sold millions of ZX Spectrums, but it was a landmark title, a game that invented a totally new genre of games and where its influence on games, is still felt to this very day.

Gosh, I'm not sure how to say this if you don't already understand it... but we are talking about games that had the biggest impact. And how much a game sold combined with how well that game was received is a significant part of the equation of how much of an influence it ultimately ends up having on the video game industry. Specifically talking about Super Mario Bros, this is a game that literally introduced an entire generation of kids to video games in general. This doesn't mean it's a better game than some other hidden gem, but it does make it a more influential title. If you can't see the distinction (and I'm sure you don't) then I can't help you.

[gamevet]

What is wrong with your attitude and anger ?. No need to swear and the C64 version is a poor man's port. I simple said that before Mario Bros, Manic Miner on the ZX Spectrum perfected pixel perfect jumping seen in platform games. All the more incredible given it was one bedroom coder doing it all by himself. To play in the home was unmatched on any home system in 83.

I'm giving you crap, because several of us have given you options that will help you improve your spelling in writing. You sometimes type words that don't even exist on the English language.

Manic Miner did absolutely nothing special. The jumping is floaty and totally unrealistic. The gameplay is boring and even the level design is way outclassed by a game like Jumpman, that came out that very same year. Manic Miner did nothing that was ground-breaking or worth mentioning.

As usual, you jumped in. .

As usual, you've derailed a thread with goofy stuff like a Spectrum game that had nothing to do with the subject.

[Team Andromeda]

Gosh, I'm not sure how to say this if you don't already understand it... but we are talking about games that had the biggest impact. And how much a game sold combined with how well that game was received is a significant part of the equation of how much of an influence it ultimately ends up having on the video game industry. Specifically talking about Super Mario Bros, this is a game that literally introduced an entire generation of kids to video games in general. This doesn't mean it's a better game than some other hidden gem, but it does make it a more influential title. If you can't see the distinction (and I'm sure you don't) then I can't help you.

I can see the distinction, but I also resect groundbreaking tiles or games that look to push a genre forward. Tekken might have outsold VF in the Arcades and millions of more copies in the home, for many people their 1st 3D beat them up . But VF looked to move Vs fighting into 3D and I'll credit SEGA and AM#2 for talking the bold steps to move Vs fighting to 3D,

[Team Andromeda]

As usual, you've derailed a thread with goofy stuff like a Spectrum game that had nothing to do with the subject.

Others started it and you also joined in. What's PC RPG's or a PS2 RPG got to do with a SEGA and Nintendo thread?.

You bust in and don't take the time to read what people say, or even take the time to google; Most people would know that PSO was a groundbreaking title. It truly was the worlds 1st Global Online console RPG it shipped before anyone could take their PS2 online in the states or Europe, it was a world 1st!. Shenmue was truly groundbreaking, so was VF, so was Virtual Racing 4 viewpoints. To me, SEGA is and were a better corp than Nintendo Looked to push the genre's forward more, far more innovative and made the better games and looked to use the most cutting-edge hardware.

[NeoZeedeater]

I like Manic Miner but I would hardly call it unmatched for 1983 home platformers. Pharaoh's Curse, Mr. Robot, Hunchback, Frantic Freddie, Super Pipeline, and Congo Bongo are all games I would choose over it.

I think the best Spectrum platformer from that era is Sir Lancelot from 1984 (although even then I prefer the Amstrad port). It has some damn good puzzle-ish level design.