I don't get SEGA fans petty grudge frm 20+ years ago.

[gamevet]

SEGA pushed the boat out. It spent $70 million on one game Project alone, it was one of the 1st cops to use a full orchestra to provide music (Panzer Dragoon) most of its In-House games looked to have full voice acting, it made and created the worlds 1st Global Online console RPG, looked to oush open world gaming before most people had ever head of the term. SEGA started the trend of big teams and insame budgets with what it spet on Saga and Shenmue. SEGA really tried to push the ball forward, made some of the 1st games ever to have 'On-line' voice chat, before LIVE or PSN and the current Retro fad gave us classic downloads service of PC Eng and Mega Drive games . Whats Nintendo ever done that can compare.. Its still penny pinches on what games over its In-House games having voice acting, much less orchestra and all its In-House games look like they are desgined for kids.

Do you ever proof read what you write?


The world's 1st global online RPG was probably Ever Quest, which was way before PSO. And anyone that has played 7 Cities of Gold, or Star Flight would disagree with Shenmue being one of the 1st open world games.

[Leynos]

Never played a Shooter like Splatoon. An RPG quite like Xenoblade. A fighting game like Smash and tho I do like ARMS, that game I admit is just a watered down Virtual On. They basically created the Kart racing genre and they still excel at it where others fail. (SEGA was the only ones to make something that bested Nintendo IMO with transformed) Gamevet is right tho. WHen DK released just about everything was a space game and DK told a story that was interesting. Nintendo isn't immune to making bad games like amiibo festival and I don't think Mario party games are good at all but Mario party was unique when it released on N64, Nintendo to me esp since Wii U has aped off SEGA a little. ARMS is a watered down Virtual On. STEAM on 3DS is a poor mans Valkirya Chronicles. Mario Kart 8 while the best game in the series did take the music transitions from Transformed and having more Non-Mario characters plus some of the tracks feel a bit like transformed. (I do realize Transformed borrowed the flying/boat sections) Xenoblade kinda feels like Nintendo's Phantasy Star, esp Xenoblade X, my god that game feels like a single player PSO. Mario Odyssey with the real people took me back to Sonic Adventure. I might be reaching a little on some of this yeah but it just feels last few years Nintendo has been doing some mild SEGA impressions. Can take it two ways. Be like Bul and damn them for it but it made the games more enjoyable to me they reminded me of bits of SEGA so it made me happy. Why I like the Xbox 360's console itself. Reminded me of Dreamcast 2 so I love that machine. Ramble over. I just love when things remind me of SEGA when even SEGA refuses to be SEGA.

[Team Andromeda]

Do you ever proof read what you write?

It seems you don't. Since I was on about 'console' Online RPG. And to compare 7 Cites or Star Flight to a game like Shenmue is just taking it too far. About the closest one got to Shenmue style of game was The Nomad Soul.

[Team Andromeda]

Never played a Shooter like Splatoon. An RPG quite like Xenoblade. A fighting game like Smash and tho I do like ARMS, that game I admit is just a watered down Virtual On. They basically created the Kart racing genre and they still excel at it where others fail. (SEGA was the only ones to make something that bested Nintendo IMO with transformed) Gamevet is right tho. WHen DK released just about everything was a space game and DK told a story that was interesting.

DK had a story ?. I know I'll get in trouble and be warned but before Mario Bros came on the scene. Manic Minner was perfecting pixel-perfect jumping in the home and the Arcades even our beloved SEGA was making Carnival (even had that for the CBS back in the day) Deep Scan in the Arcades, while Atari was pioneering in the Arcades with all sorts of games and genres, both not much to so with Space..
About the only time I seen Nintendo really try to pinooer and so somthing totally new and not seen before, was with Hey You, Pikachu on the N64. Which for me, was the 1st time voice commands were used in a console game.


Not that I think just being new and different makes it a better game . What I loved is when SEGA looked to others games and put its own SEGA style spin on the game or genre like with REZ, Panzer Dragoon, Streets Of Rage, OutRun Samba De Amigo, Decathlete Ect.
Nintendo and Konami were amazing and pie hot in the 16 bit days (most prob the best around at that time) but pretty same and boring ever since. SEGA on the other hand were just brilliant right up untill the Sammy Buyout. But I enjoy my time and still hope one day the SEGA style and the blue skies will be back

[NeoZeedeater]

They basically created the Kart racing genre

They heavily shaped its direction with power ups and other companies imitating its popularity but Sega's Power Drift deserves to share more credit than it gets.

[Leynos]

Might have been G4 Icons or a book I read ages ago or both but he was talking about how he created Donkey Kong. My memory is vague so someone can maybe dig this up but he essentially said he wanted to tell a story and how most games of the era were space-related or something. Sorry not helpful. Memory is too vague. For 1981a man wanting to rescue his girl from an angry gorilla on top of a building is a story. In the age of Yakuza and Nier games, it doesn't seem like much of one.


Side note. I never liked the game at all.

[Leynos]

They heavily shaped its direction with power ups and other companies imitating its popularity but Sega's Power Drift deserves to share more credit than it gets.

Fair point. I actually forgot about the game. I mean SEGA also did SEGA mascots fighting one another with Megamix as well. Smash and Megamix are very different games but from the same generation so it's possible Nintendo responded.

[NeoZeedeater]

I think there are plenty of cases where Nintendo took inspiration from other games (like every game maker does). Japanese developers rarely mention their gaming influences, especially if they're from competitors. Donkey Kong was a hugely innovative game but even that could have been partially inspired by Space Panic. Or maybe a ladder climbing game was just parallel thinking based on what you could do with the technology at the time.

[bultje112]

Really?

The 1st time I saw Donkey Kong in the arcade, I was hooked. There was no arcade game like it at the time. The same goes for Punchout!!! And who can deny the impact that Super Mario Bros had on the industry.

donkey kong was before my time. super mario was a good platformer but a genre already out there and punch out I give you that one. but how many more?

[bultje112]

Never played a Shooter like Splatoon. An RPG quite like Xenoblade. A fighting game like Smash and tho I do like ARMS, that game I admit is just a watered down Virtual On. They basically created the Kart racing genre and they still excel at it where others fail. (SEGA was the only ones to make something that bested Nintendo IMO with transformed) Gamevet is right tho. WHen DK released just about everything was a space game and DK told a story that was interesting. Nintendo isn't immune to making bad games like amiibo festival and I don't think Mario party games are good at all but Mario party was unique when it released on N64, Nintendo to me esp since Wii U has aped off SEGA a little. ARMS is a watered down Virtual On. STEAM on 3DS is a poor mans Valkirya Chronicles. Mario Kart 8 while the best game in the series did take the music transitions from Transformed and having more Non-Mario characters plus some of the tracks feel a bit like transformed. (I do realize Transformed borrowed the flying/boat sections) Xenoblade kinda feels like Nintendo's Phantasy Star, esp Xenoblade X, my god that game feels like a single player PSO. Mario Odyssey with the real people took me back to Sonic Adventure. I might be reaching a little on some of this yeah but it just feels last few years Nintendo has been doing some mild SEGA impressions. Can take it two ways. Be like Bul and damn them for it but it made the games more enjoyable to me they reminded me of bits of SEGA so it made me happy. Why I like the Xbox 360's console itself. Reminded me of Dreamcast 2 so I love that machine. Ramble over. I just love when things remind me of SEGA when even SEGA refuses to be SEGA.

there is literally nothing unique about xenoblade. If you've never played an rpg like that, you haven't played much. I think xenogears was unique but that was way before they became a second party for nintendo. and smash? power stone in arcade was earlier and much better.

[gamevet]

donkey kong was before my time. super mario was a good platformer but a genre already out there and punch out I give you that one. but how many more?

It’s a side scrolling platformer that was unlike anything before it. The closest game to be in that genre would be Mountain King, but it didn’t smoothly scroll from area to area. I would have never owned an NES (had a C64) if SMB didn’t exist.

[Leynos]

Most games before SMB were 1 screen games. Being a sidescroller felt pretty fresh in 1985. I played Atari before NES and Apple II games.

[Leynos]

there is literally nothing unique about Xenoblade. If you've never played an RPG like that, you haven't played much. I think Xenogears was unique but that was way before they became the second party for Nintendo. and smash? power stone in an arcade was earlier and much better.

Played hundreds of RPGs. Western and Japanese. It's the genre I play most. Power Stone came out after Smash in arcades. I own Xenogears and it's from the same creators. Gears and Blade are very different games.

[gamevet]

It was the most popular genre on the 8-bit and 16-bit consoles and I’d have to say that Donkey Kong popularized the platformer, if not created it.

[Leynos]

Nintendo mostly popularized a thing more than they invented a thing. They just did it better sometimes or marketed/times it right. Wii was essentially a rip off the Xavix Port. Wi just did the idea better. Similar to Apple products. MP3 players were around years before ipod. We had Smartphones and tablets in 1993 and MS had a tablet in 2002 but Apple popularized them.